Doing the right thing?
fbmandy55
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/young-rangers-fan-cries-inconsiderate-neighbors-keep-baseball-054131053.html
Just watched this and the couple infuriated me.. Many of the Yahoo comments said things such as, " So if a kids is crying you have to give him what he wants?" or " so you have to give a kid a ball at a game?" I just think it would have been the polite thing to do.. Like when you win a 50/50 pot for a charity, usually people give the winnings back to the group..
Thoughts?
Just watched this and the couple infuriated me.. Many of the Yahoo comments said things such as, " So if a kids is crying you have to give him what he wants?" or " so you have to give a kid a ball at a game?" I just think it would have been the polite thing to do.. Like when you win a 50/50 pot for a charity, usually people give the winnings back to the group..
Thoughts?
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I am going to disagree with you on this one. This is a few seconds out of wsomeone's life ...caught on camera. Makes them look like a couple of self involved people, but I have to agree with some of the other comments. Giving the ball to the whining child just teaches the child that whining is how to get your way.
Anyone that sees that brief bit of film and constructs a story around it, or ascertains the participant's motivations is naive.
I may have given the child the ball, but only because I'm not a baseball fan. And...my motivation would have probably been to shut the kid up, not because of some perceived fair play. However, if I had been at a Sammy Hagar concert and it was a guitar pick thrown to the crowd, that kid could have cried his eyes out and all I would have done was complained to the usher.0 -
The couple that got the ball was under no obligation to give the ball to the toddler. Who knows, it could have been a once in a life time game or some other event in that couple's lives. Agree with RoadDog - the only thing the kid learned was if I cry loud enough and long enough I'll get what I want. nice of the team to give a ball to the kid, but not necessary. I think it stank that the announcers ridiculed the person that caught the ball.0
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Just because I want what you have, I don't have the right to take it, or try to force you to give it to me.
I don't think they should "have to" give the kid the ball. If they want to keep it, I don't think that makes them bad selfish people.
Kids are pretty tough. Learning about disappointment is OK. It shouldn't be the goal of parents to make sure their wittle snowflake is never sad, or disappointed, or any other unpleasant emotions. Experiencing those emotions helps a child learn how to control themselves.
I agree with Deb, the announcers acted like real asshats.0 -
I am going to disagree with you on this one. This is a few seconds out of wsomeone's life ...caught on camera. Makes them look like a couple of self involved people, but I have to agree with some of the other comments. Giving the ball to the whining child just teaches the child that whining is how to get your way.
Anyone that sees that brief bit of film and constructs a story around it, or ascertains the participant's motivations is naive.
I may have given the child the ball, but only because I'm not a baseball fan. And...my motivation would have probably been to shut the kid up, not because of some perceived fair play. However, if I had been at a Sammy Hagar concert and it was a guitar pick thrown to the crowd, that kid could have cried his eyes out and all I would have done was complained to the usher.
:drinker: Love this reply.
I agree, I've been chastised by family members by teaching my kids that you can't cry to get your way. Well I have a friends & family members who allow their children to basically run wild. Then they wonder why nobody wants to babysit their kids.
Heck I've had family members who I want to chastize for allowing their kids to be spoiled little brats.0 -
wanted to add: catching a baseball at a game is not the same as winning a charity 50/50 pot. It's more like buying a ticket and winning the lottery.
If you won the lottery, and I sat outside your house crying, would you give me the money? I really really really want it. I'm so very disappointed that you got it and I didn't. So you should have to give it to me.0 -
I am going to disagree with you on this one. This is a few seconds out of wsomeone's life ...caught on camera. Makes them look like a couple of self involved people, but I have to agree with some of the other comments. Giving the ball to the whining child just teaches the child that whining is how to get your way.
Anyone that sees that brief bit of film and constructs a story around it, or ascertains the participant's motivations is naive.
I may have given the child the ball, but only because I'm not a baseball fan. And...my motivation would have probably been to shut the kid up, not because of some perceived fair play. However, if I had been at a Sammy Hagar concert and it was a guitar pick thrown to the crowd, that kid could have cried his eyes out and all I would have done was complained to the usher.
I see taking a ball home from a game as more of a child's fantasy... Not a priority of a young woman at a game with a much older man. I suppose I look at this way: It's not about the kid crying, it's about the couple. If I had one piece of candy in my house, I'm going to let my son have it, not eat it in front of him. If there is one sample of cookies left at the store, I'm not going to take it for myself if there is a little kid there wanting it too. Once again, it's not about the kid crying to me, it's about being an adult and having a heart.
Seriously, what are they going to do with the ball? The child could have that as a memory the rest of his live and cherish it as he grows up. I just think it's rude, like not holding a door for someone.0 -
Looking at the clip, it doesn't appear that the couple even noticed a crying child next to them. They looked excited about "their" ball. For all you know, either of them could have been lifelong baseball fans and this was the first time they ever had the opportunity to have a game ball. Are they supposed to catch it, feel excitement from the experience, then look around for the nearest kid? Sorry, but I think there is way to much catering to the whims of children as it is. If his parents caught it, then good for them if they want to give it to "their" child, but I feel no obligation whatsoever to indulge someone else's child's screaming fit.0
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I am going to disagree with you on this one. This is a few seconds out of wsomeone's life ...caught on camera. Makes them look like a couple of self involved people, but I have to agree with some of the other comments. Giving the ball to the whining child just teaches the child that whining is how to get your way.
Anyone that sees that brief bit of film and constructs a story around it, or ascertains the participant's motivations is naive.
I may have given the child the ball, but only because I'm not a baseball fan. And...my motivation would have probably been to shut the kid up, not because of some perceived fair play. However, if I had been at a Sammy Hagar concert and it was a guitar pick thrown to the crowd, that kid could have cried his eyes out and all I would have done was complained to the usher.
I see taking a ball home from a game as more of a child's fantasy... Not a priority of a young woman at a game with a much older man. I suppose I look at this way: It's not about the kid crying, it's about the couple. If I had one piece of candy in my house, I'm going to let my son have it, not eat it in front of him. If there is one sample of cookies left at the store, I'm not going to take it for myself if there is a little kid there wanting it too. Once again, it's not about the kid crying to me, it's about being an adult and having a heart.
Seriously, what are they going to do with the ball? The child could have that as a memory the rest of his live and cherish it as he grows up. I just think it's rude, like not holding a door for someone.
I have a ball in a trophy stand in my weight room at home. Just an old beat up ball that I got in 1985. It's not from a pro game. Just a ball that was presented to me. I was the MVP that year. The other players signed it. They let my Dad sign it as well. Everyone use to call me "The Big V" back then. My father came to all my games He signed it "The Original Big V." So, you see it's not the ball, it's the signifigance behind it. I've lost many keepsakes, but I always know where that one is. It will go to my daughter when I die.
For all we know from that brief piece of video, he may of been proposing to that gal and wants to keep the ball as a keepsake. We don't know and we shouldn't build a backstory and then judge that couple based on our own imagination.0 -
IF the couple was aware of the fact that th little boy was crying (it's not like he was throwing a temper tantrum; he was just sad), IF that one ball wasn't a big deal in baseball history, IF the game itself was of no big significance to the couple then I agree giving the ball to the little boy would have been the kind thing to do.0
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IF the couple was aware of the fact that th little boy was crying (it's not like he was throwing a temper tantrum; he was just sad), IF that one ball wasn't a big deal in baseball history, IF the game itself was of no big significance to the couple then I agree giving the ball to the little boy would have been the kind thing to do.
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If I take something out of context like "that kid could have cried his eyes out and all I would have done was complained to the usher. " it makes me look like a jerk.
But IF you don't know me you don't know IF I'm a jerk or not. IF you take an intance like this to a global level and don't investigate before voicing an opinion, that's how wars get started.0 -
IF the couple was aware of the fact that th little boy was crying (it's not like he was throwing a temper tantrum; he was just sad), IF that one ball wasn't a big deal in baseball history, IF the game itself was of no big significance to the couple then I agree giving the ball to the little boy would have been the kind thing to do.
Yes, my point. He was obviously reaching for the ball when he was crying. It made me sad.
Seriously, I am not a person to condone appeasing a temper tantrum. I don't do it with my son. That was a sad boy.0 -
That's exactly why I am withholding judgement.If I take something out of context like "that kid could have cried his eyes out and all I would have done was complained to the usher. " it makes me look like a jerk.
But IF you don't know me you don't know IF I'm a jerk or not. IF you take an intance like this to a global level and don't investigate before voicing an opinion, that's how wars get started.0 -
IF the couple was aware of the fact that th little boy was crying (it's not like he was throwing a temper tantrum; he was just sad), IF that one ball wasn't a big deal in baseball history, IF the game itself was of no big significance to the couple then I agree giving the ball to the little boy would have been the kind thing to do.
And if you win the lottery and you give it to me, that would also be very kind. But nobody would 'expect' you to give it to me, even if I was very very sad and disappointed that I didn't win it.0 -
It should be expected of me to give some of my lottery winnings to the poor/needy. To whom much is given, much is expected. But, I'm not dissing on these people because I don't know the whole story. Like I said, if it was a meaningless game to them and a meaningless ball, the kind thing to do would have been to give it to the kid if he knew he was upset. I don't think it's too much to want to "expect" people to be kind to one another.And if you win the lottery and you give it to me, that would also be very kind. But nobody would 'expect' you to give it to me, even if I was very very sad and disappointed that I didn't win it.0 -
To me it looked like the couple was unaware of the child. The way the ball was thrown, the child was not in a position to get it. After the woman got the ball, it looked to me like she and her partner (that's another thread in itself), were looking at each other while the kid was reaching towards the ball in her hand--from quite a distance. It didn't look to me like this is a situation where adults willfully snatched a ball away from a young child who was reaching for it at the same time. That's just my interpretation from looking at the video--there might be more details about the incident that I am unaware of.0
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Giving the ball to the whining child just teaches the child that whining is how to get your way.
What was that you were saying about "tak(ing) an instance like this to a global level"?
Not to mention "that's how wars get started".
No, that's not "global". Not at all.
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It should be expected of me to give some of my lottery winnings to the poor/needy. To whom much is given, much is expected. But, I'm not dissing on these people because I don't know the whole story. Like I said, if it was a meaningless game to them and a meaningless ball, the kind thing to do would have been to give it to the kid if he knew he was upset. I don't think it's too much to want to "expect" people to be kind to one another.And if you win the lottery and you give it to me, that would also be very kind. But nobody would 'expect' you to give it to me, even if I was very very sad and disappointed that I didn't win it.
just out of curiosity and to spur more comments, what if it was a super meaningful game to them, like, imagine they were lifelong fans, and this is game seven of the world series, and that ball was the one that won the game for their team.......then they wouldn't be "expected" to give it up? Why or why not?
Also, I didn't say anything about giving your lottery winnings to the poor and needy. I said give it to ME. Because I want it. Or else I'll be really sad. And cry. Of course nobody would expect that. Just because you want something doesn't mean you get it. Everyone has to learn this lesson in life, sooner or later. Some never do, though.0 -
I think more people would understand if they kept it in that situation. We don't know if that ball was meaningful to them, though.just out of curiosity and to spur more comments, what if it was a super meaningful game to them, like, imagine they were lifelong fans, and this is game seven of the world series, and that ball was the one that won the game for their team.......then they wouldn't be "expected" to give it up? Why or why not?
IF I ever play the lottery and IF I ever win, I'll give you some.Also, I didn't say anything about giving your lottery winnings to the poor and needy. I said give it to ME.
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life's tough, kid. bummer.0
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Give the kid the frickin ball for f&#@s sake. Yeah, life is hard, life sucks, blah blah blah. He'll have 70+ more years on this planet to figure that out, doesn't mean to grown adults have to be the ones to show him.0
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don't worry. kids will teach him, too.
being a whiner doesn't get you anywhere in life. well, it shouldn't, anyway.0 -
don't worry. kids will teach him, too.
being a whiner doesn't get you anywhere in life. well, it shouldn't, anyway.
That kid doesn't even look 4 yet. And as for him whining? He quit in a very short period of time. He was upset. Children at that age cannot control their emotions like adults can. So yeah, I guess people can go ahead and try to hide behind the theory that they are just trying to teach the kid a life lesson, but let's face it, we are just condoning douche bag behavior as adults.0 -
don't worry. kids will teach him, too.
being a whiner doesn't get you anywhere in life. well, it shouldn't, anyway.
That kid doesn't even look 4 yet. And as for him whining? He quit in a very short period of time. He was upset. Children at that age cannot control their emotions like adults can. So yeah, I guess people can go ahead and try to hide behind the theory that they are just trying to teach the kid a life lesson, but let's face it, we are just condoning douche bag behavior as adults.
did I miss them dancing around, waving the ball in his face whilst pointing and laughing?0 -
don't worry. kids will teach him, too.
being a whiner doesn't get you anywhere in life. well, it shouldn't, anyway.
That kid doesn't even look 4 yet. And as for him whining? He quit in a very short period of time. He was upset. Children at that age cannot control their emotions like adults can. So yeah, I guess people can go ahead and try to hide behind the theory that they are just trying to teach the kid a life lesson, but let's face it, we are just condoning douche bag behavior as adults.
did I miss them dancing around, waving the ball in his face whilst pointing and laughing?
No, but I think she could see him still red faced and upset while she did her pose with the ball and her elderly boyfriend snapped a shot.0 -
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maybe his dad should be a better catch or more aggressive to get to the ball. who cares? kids want lots of things. kids want everything, in fact. they can't get everything. and what's the line? how old do you get to be to cry because you didn't win so that you still get something?
it's ridiculous that this is even some kind of story. especially considering the tyke would have forgotten about the whole incident 20 minutes later.
everyone can have ice cream. but not everyone is a winner, not everyone gets a ribbon and not everyone gets a foul ball.0 -
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maybe his dad should be a better catch or more aggressive to get to the ball. who cares? kids want lots of things. kids want everything, in fact. they can't get everything. and what's the line? how old do you get to be to cry because you didn't win so that you still get something?
it's ridiculous that this is even some kind of story. especially considering the tyke would have forgotten about the whole incident 20 minutes later.
everyone can have ice cream. but not everyone is a winner, not everyone gets a ribbon and not everyone gets a foul ball.
Quite honestly, what can I say here to a guy who is acting like tough love is going to act with a kid under 4, and calling him a whiner. He's not 12.
And no, everyone is clearly not a winner. And everyone clearly can't have ice cream. But it's a pretty good reflection of a persons personality when they take or defend the taking of a crying kids ice cream as an adult.0 -
no, I said everyone CAN get ice cream. I'm not that mean. and I'm also not the only one saying what I'm saying.
(and there's a difference between tough love and being realistic and honest with your kid. you didn't get the ball. maybe next time. now let's have some popcorn and watch the game some more.)0 -
no, I said everyone CAN get ice cream. I'm not that mean. and I'm also not the only one saying what I'm saying.
(and there's a difference between tough love and being realistic and honest with your kid. you didn't get the ball. maybe next time. now let's have some popcorn and watch the game some more.)
Oh crap. I thought you said everyone can't have ice cream, and as a recovering fat guy, I was ready to tomahawk you. With that being said...if the couple was unaware of the kid, this is all a moot debate. If they were aware, they are douches. That's pretty much it for me.0 -
With that being said...if the couple was unaware of the kid, this is all a moot debate. If they were aware, they are douches. That's pretty much it for me.
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I saw a story last night with the couple and they said they were completely unaware of the toddler.0
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