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  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member

    Breast milk does not suddenly stop being good for a child just because they reach a certain age. Heck, it would be great for adults to drink it!

    I don't think the argument is breast milk as much as feeding FROm the breast rather than pumping and giving them a sippy cup.

    I had a mother go full blown enraged on me about this. I simply don't understand why a mother would want a 4-5 year old still feeding FROM THE BREAST rather than a cup. If you didn't breast feed, doctors would probably tell you letting a child that old still drink form a bottle effects the development of their teeth and speech.
  • SarahMorganP
    SarahMorganP Posts: 921 Member
    I would says almost all moms nursing an older child would be very happy for the kid to stop.
    Really? Then why wouldn't they stop?

    Because doing what is best for their child is more important than their wants/needs? And just because they wouldn't mind if their kids stopped nursing doesn't mean that they hate nursing or something. They just really wouldn't mind if the kid stopped, but will continue until the child is ready.
    I don't think the argument is breast milk as much as feeding FROm the breast rather than pumping and giving them a sippy cup.

    I had a mother go full blown enraged on me about this. I simply don't understand why a mother would want a 4-5 year old still feeding FROM THE BREAST rather than a cup. If you didn't breast feed, doctors would probably tell you letting a child that old still drink form a bottle effects the development of their teeth and speech.

    Do you know anything about bfing? Not everyone can pump. Some women simply don't let down from the pump. Also, by that age the child is nursing so little that mom doesn't have a big supply, most likely the child is only getting a few sips each time, not really enough to pump out even if they could pump it. Not to mention that the act of nursing is just as important to a nursing child as the nutrition from the milk.

    And why not feed from the breast? The milk is always there and ready. No need to get a pump out and deal with all of the hassle of pumping. The milk is already there! Why on earth would a mom want to pump if she didn't need to? If she chooses to and it works for her body than that is one thing, but why do it if she doesn't need/want to? And drinking from a bottle at that age would be bad for the teeth, breastfeeding is different.
  • debloves2ride
    debloves2ride Posts: 386
    There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding - it is healthy and natural. Discretion in public would be nice. The cover has done what TIME wanted it to do - sell magazines. when the child is old enough to unhook Mom's bra and help him/herself it is time to stop.
  • kapeluza
    kapeluza Posts: 3,434 Member
    Anyone who thinks bfing past a certain age is for the mother and not the child has obviously never nursed a toddler. I would says almost all moms nursing an older child would be very happy for the kid to stop. But they continue because it is normal and natural and HEALTHY for the child to nurse. Believe me, moms get no pleasure (other than the pleasure of knowing they are giving their child something SO amazing) from bfing an older child. And you can not force a child to nurse if they don't want to. It just doesn't happen.

    Breast milk does not suddenly stop being good for a child just because they reach a certain age. Heck, it would be great for adults to drink it!

    As for the magazine, with the title alone they knew they were going to get outrage. Add in a boob that is being used the way it is supposed to be and WHAM! A bunch of people with their panties in a bunch.

    Oh and one more thing. Shame on anyone who thinks bfing is in anyway shape or form sexual. If you think that, you need some serious help.

    I would think like everyone else, you make the transition from bottle to sippy cup. In this case, from breast to sippy cup. It's trainable, is it not? The only thing that comes to mind is the mother being lazy and not wanting to wash sippy cups (dumb argument).
  • SarahMorganP
    SarahMorganP Posts: 921 Member
    Anyone who thinks bfing past a certain age is for the mother and not the child has obviously never nursed a toddler. I would says almost all moms nursing an older child would be very happy for the kid to stop. But they continue because it is normal and natural and HEALTHY for the child to nurse. Believe me, moms get no pleasure (other than the pleasure of knowing they are giving their child something SO amazing) from bfing an older child. And you can not force a child to nurse if they don't want to. It just doesn't happen.

    Breast milk does not suddenly stop being good for a child just because they reach a certain age. Heck, it would be great for adults to drink it!

    As for the magazine, with the title alone they knew they were going to get outrage. Add in a boob that is being used the way it is supposed to be and WHAM! A bunch of people with their panties in a bunch.

    Oh and one more thing. Shame on anyone who thinks bfing is in anyway shape or form sexual. If you think that, you need some serious help.

    I would think like everyone else, you make the transition from bottle to sippy cup. In this case, from breast to sippy cup. It's trainable, is it not? The only thing that comes to mind is the mother being lazy and not wanting to wash sippy cups (dumb argument).

    Again, that would mean pumping. At that stage most moms simply don't have a big enough supply that the pump will really work. And many women are never able to get much out with a pump. For many breastfeeding women using a pump simply doesn't work. And why should they anyway? Why not use the body that was given to do what it is meant to do? Not to mention nursing at that age is important to the child. They LOVE it. It is a huge comfort. The only reason anyone ever has to say moms should stop is because they think it is icky. Well too bad. If it isn't icky to mom and child than that is really all that matters. Period. No harm comes from extended breastfeeding itself, only from ignorant people who know nothing about it, spewing nonsense.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    Anyone who thinks bfing past a certain age is for the mother and not the child has obviously never nursed a toddler. I would says almost all moms nursing an older child would be very happy for the kid to stop. But they continue because it is normal and natural and HEALTHY for the child to nurse. Believe me, moms get no pleasure (other than the pleasure of knowing they are giving their child something SO amazing) from bfing an older child. And you can not force a child to nurse if they don't want to. It just doesn't happen.

    Breast milk does not suddenly stop being good for a child just because they reach a certain age. Heck, it would be great for adults to drink it!

    As for the magazine, with the title alone they knew they were going to get outrage. Add in a boob that is being used the way it is supposed to be and WHAM! A bunch of people with their panties in a bunch.

    Oh and one more thing. Shame on anyone who thinks bfing is in anyway shape or form sexual. If you think that, you need some serious help.

    I would think like everyone else, you make the transition from bottle to sippy cup. In this case, from breast to sippy cup. It's trainable, is it not? The only thing that comes to mind is the mother being lazy and not wanting to wash sippy cups (dumb argument).

    Again, that would mean pumping. At that stage most moms simply don't have a big enough supply that the pump will really work. And many women are never able to get much out with a pump. For many breastfeeding women using a pump simply doesn't work. And why should they anyway? Why not use the body that was given to do what it is meant to do? Not to mention nursing at that age is important to the child. They LOVE it. It is a huge comfort. The only reason anyone ever has to say moms should stop is because they think it is icky. Well too bad. If it isn't icky to mom and child than that is really all that matters. Period. No harm comes from extended breastfeeding itself, only from ignorant people who know nothing about it, spewing nonsense.

    Wow, defensive much? Because some of us have a different opinion doesn't mean you have to call us ignorant.

    A pacifier is a comfort, thumb sucking is a comfort. Just because something is a comfort doesn't mean that there comes an age where it is time to move on. There also becomes a time where it becomes inappropriate. If someone thought it was ok to breast feed a 15 year old because it's available and natural, they would probably end up in jail.
  • EmCarroll1990
    EmCarroll1990 Posts: 2,830 Member
    I'm perfectly fine with BF in public, cover or no cover. I don't cover my face when I eat, so why should a child? Boobs are boobs. Who cares?

    But in all honesty, that kid looks much too old to be suckling. I mean, seriously? The kid can eat perfectly fine human food, he does not need to be on a tit. That's just weird.
  • kapeluza
    kapeluza Posts: 3,434 Member
    Anyone who thinks bfing past a certain age is for the mother and not the child has obviously never nursed a toddler. I would says almost all moms nursing an older child would be very happy for the kid to stop. But they continue because it is normal and natural and HEALTHY for the child to nurse. Believe me, moms get no pleasure (other than the pleasure of knowing they are giving their child something SO amazing) from bfing an older child. And you can not force a child to nurse if they don't want to. It just doesn't happen.

    Breast milk does not suddenly stop being good for a child just because they reach a certain age. Heck, it would be great for adults to drink it!

    As for the magazine, with the title alone they knew they were going to get outrage. Add in a boob that is being used the way it is supposed to be and WHAM! A bunch of people with their panties in a bunch.

    Oh and one more thing. Shame on anyone who thinks bfing is in anyway shape or form sexual. If you think that, you need some serious help.

    I would think like everyone else, you make the transition from bottle to sippy cup. In this case, from breast to sippy cup. It's trainable, is it not? The only thing that comes to mind is the mother being lazy and not wanting to wash sippy cups (dumb argument).

    Again, that would mean pumping. At that stage most moms simply don't have a big enough supply that the pump will really work. And many women are never able to get much out with a pump. For many breastfeeding women using a pump simply doesn't work. And why should they anyway? Why not use the body that was given to do what it is meant to do? Not to mention nursing at that age is important to the child. They LOVE it. It is a huge comfort. The only reason anyone ever has to say moms should stop is because they think it is icky. Well too bad. If it isn't icky to mom and child than that is really all that matters. Period. No harm comes from extended breastfeeding itself, only from ignorant people who know nothing about it, spewing nonsense.

    Wow, defensive much? Because some of us have a different opinion doesn't mean you have to call us ignorant.

    A pacifier is a comfort, thumb sucking is a comfort. Just because something is a comfort doesn't mean that there comes an age where it is time to move on. There also becomes a time where it becomes inappropriate. If someone thought it was ok to breast feed a 15 year old because it's available and natural, they would probably end up in jail.

    That came to mind. If a child is using it for comfort, after a certain age it's just not acceptable. Parents are frown upon when their 4/5 yr olds are still using a pacifier. How does this differ from using a breast for comfort?

    I believe the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding up to the age of 2, which makes sense but 4-5 year olds?
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    They LOVE it. It is a huge comfort.
    Ahhhh, and herein lies the problem many see with a child breastfeeding past age 2.
  • SarahMorganP
    SarahMorganP Posts: 921 Member
    Anyone who thinks bfing past a certain age is for the mother and not the child has obviously never nursed a toddler. I would says almost all moms nursing an older child would be very happy for the kid to stop. But they continue because it is normal and natural and HEALTHY for the child to nurse. Believe me, moms get no pleasure (other than the pleasure of knowing they are giving their child something SO amazing) from bfing an older child. And you can not force a child to nurse if they don't want to. It just doesn't happen.

    Breast milk does not suddenly stop being good for a child just because they reach a certain age. Heck, it would be great for adults to drink it!

    As for the magazine, with the title alone they knew they were going to get outrage. Add in a boob that is being used the way it is supposed to be and WHAM! A bunch of people with their panties in a bunch.

    Oh and one more thing. Shame on anyone who thinks bfing is in anyway shape or form sexual. If you think that, you need some serious help.

    I would think like everyone else, you make the transition from bottle to sippy cup. In this case, from breast to sippy cup. It's trainable, is it not? The only thing that comes to mind is the mother being lazy and not wanting to wash sippy cups (dumb argument).

    Again, that would mean pumping. At that stage most moms simply don't have a big enough supply that the pump will really work. And many women are never able to get much out with a pump. For many breastfeeding women using a pump simply doesn't work. And why should they anyway? Why not use the body that was given to do what it is meant to do? Not to mention nursing at that age is important to the child. They LOVE it. It is a huge comfort. The only reason anyone ever has to say moms should stop is because they think it is icky. Well too bad. If it isn't icky to mom and child than that is really all that matters. Period. No harm comes from extended breastfeeding itself, only from ignorant people who know nothing about it, spewing nonsense.

    Wow, defensive much? Because some of us have a different opinion doesn't mean you have to call us ignorant.

    A pacifier is a comfort, thumb sucking is a comfort. Just because something is a comfort doesn't mean that there comes an age where it is time to move on. There also becomes a time where it becomes inappropriate. If someone thought it was ok to breast feed a 15 year old because it's available and natural, they would probably end up in jail.

    That came to mind. If a child is using it for comfort, after a certain age it's just not acceptable. Parents are frown upon when their 4/5 yr olds are still using a pacifier. How does this differ from using a breast for comfort?

    I believe the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding up to the age of 2, which makes sense but 4-5 year olds?

    WHO recommends breastfeeding to age 2 OR beyond. Also the whole breastfeeding at 15 year old argument is silly. No 15 year old is still going to breastfeed. Natural weaning age around the world (you know, if the child is left to decide when they wean) is between 4-7 years.
    Ahhhh, and herein lies the problem many see with a child breastfeeding past age 2.
    What? There is something wrong with a child being comforted by their mother while also receiving the perfect nutrition that is made just for them?

    My daughter only nursed until 26 months, but had she wanted to continue, we would have continued. I nursed anywhere and everywhere. I never once used a blanket or anything else to cover her. I would have never went to a different room to feed her, just like I would never expect a bottle feeding mom to do those things. If other people have issues that is on them, not me, not any other breastfeeding mom.

    You (general) can have any opinion you want about extended breastfeeding being wrong or gross or detrimental or whatever, that doesn't make it factual though.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    What? There is something wrong with a child being comforted by their mother while also receiving the perfect nutrition that is made just for them?
    There are many things that "comfort" a child that we stop doing at some point: pacifiers, sucking thumbs, bottles, security blankets, sleeping with parents, carrying around stuffed animals, etc.
    I nursed anywhere and everywhere. I never once used a blanket or anything else to cover her. I would have never went to a different room to feed her, just like I would never expect a bottle feeding mom to do those things. If other people have issues that is on them, not me, not any other breastfeeding mom.
    I couldn't care less who breastfeeds and where you do it. I would hope, though, that those FBing would be respectful of others who do not want their children seeing your breast out in public. After all, YOU want tolerance and respect, so why wouldn't you extend the same?
  • SarahMorganP
    SarahMorganP Posts: 921 Member
    What? There is something wrong with a child being comforted by their mother while also receiving the perfect nutrition that is made just for them?
    There are many things that "comfort" a child that we stop doing at some point: pacifiers, sucking thumbs, bottles, security blankets, sleeping with parents, carrying around stuffed animals, etc.
    I nursed anywhere and everywhere. I never once used a blanket or anything else to cover her. I would have never went to a different room to feed her, just like I would never expect a bottle feeding mom to do those things. If other people have issues that is on them, not me, not any other breastfeeding mom.
    I couldn't care less who breastfeeds and where you do it. I would hope, though, that those FBing would be respectful of others who do not want their children seeing your breast out in public. After all, YOU want tolerance and respect, so why wouldn't you extend the same?

    If you don't want your kid seeing boobs you need to keep them home and don't turn the tv on because I promise they will see WAY more boob with the shirts women wear than they would have ever seen while I was breastfeeding.
  • SarahMorganP
    SarahMorganP Posts: 921 Member
    There are many things that "comfort" a child that we stop doing at some point: pacifiers, sucking thumbs, bottles, security blankets, sleeping with parents, carrying around stuffed animals, etc.

    Pacifiers, thumb sucking, and bottles can all do damage after a certain age. Not so with breastfeeding. Security blankets, stuffed animals, and other "lovies" are not going to hurt kids and I don't think I hear of people being grossed out by a 3 year old still having those things. Sleeping with parents is a personal thing. Some think it is terrible to ever do it, at any age. Some have no problem doing it until the child is 5 or 6. As long as the kids and parents are happy and no damage is being done, who cares?
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    If you don't want your kid seeing boobs you need to keep them home and don't turn the tv on because I promise they will see WAY more boob with the shirts women wear than they would have ever seen while I was breastfeeding.
    You said you never used a blanket and didn't care to be discreet. I asked for some respect for others, but you're too defensive to see that.
  • CasperO
    CasperO Posts: 2,913 Member
    My mom was born in '41, and she and her sibs nursed way past infancy, and at times Gramma would have a baby on one side and a toddler on the other. I remember her talking about a girl she knew in 1st grade who went home at lunchtime to get her "ninny". Poor families in the south. Mammals turn all kinds of calories into protein, we're gifted that way. Nothing new here.

    The mag pic was just trying to sell mags, of course.
  • SarahMorganP
    SarahMorganP Posts: 921 Member
    If you don't want your kid seeing boobs you need to keep them home and don't turn the tv on because I promise they will see WAY more boob with the shirts women wear than they would have ever seen while I was breastfeeding.
    You said you never used a blanket and didn't care to be discreet. I asked for some respect for others, but you're too defensive to see that.

    I am not defensive. I am annoyed. There is a difference. Are you telling me that you have never been annoyed when someone that knows nothing at all about the bible starts saying opinions about how stupid the bible is, about how wrong people are who follow it, and on and on? If you respond to explain why you feel the bible is the truth are you being defensive?

    BTW Here I am nursing my daughter. This is what anyone saw when I was nursing in public.
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    And if someone happened to be walking by and glanced down at us, this is what they would see...
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    I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure they are going to see a LOT more boob in their day to day life just walking around. Not to mention, I think it's a great time to explain that the mom is doing what her body was meant to do, she is feeding her baby the way nature (or God) intended.
  • Trechechus
    Trechechus Posts: 2,758 Member
    Reminds me of this...

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    Yeah.
  • glypta
    glypta Posts: 440 Member
    I'm not a mother, so can't comment AS one, but I *can* say I have no problems seeing women's boobs in a breast-feeding way. It's WAY more natural than they fake boobs, the in-you-race boobs in little tops, etc. Breastfeeding is natural. Nutritionally, apparently best. But I have several friends with kids who can't (not enough milk, too painful) or just plain don't want to.

    here in the UK I think is slightly better than the US in terms of acceptance/positivity on this, but I visited Australia this year, and they're the complete opposite: bottle feeding is frowned upon. Women were (discreetly) getting their boobs out everywhere and no-one batted an eyelid. They had wee cover things to give themselves privacy if they wanted (I've never seen that here) but it was just plain' normal'. That's what I think all societies should aspire to.
  • nehtaeh
    nehtaeh Posts: 2,849 Member
    I'm not a mother, so can't comment AS one, but I *can* say I have no problems seeing women's boobs in a breast-feeding way. It's WAY more natural than they fake boobs, the in-you-race boobs in little tops, etc. Breastfeeding is natural. Nutritionally, apparently best. But I have several friends with kids who can't (not enough milk, too painful) or just plain don't want to.

    here in the UK I think is slightly better than the US in terms of acceptance/positivity on this, but I visited Australia this year, and they're the complete opposite: bottle feeding is frowned upon. Women were (discreetly) getting their boobs out everywhere and no-one batted an eyelid. They had wee cover things to give themselves privacy if they wanted (I've never seen that here) but it was just plain' normal'. That's what I think all societies should aspire to.

    I guess if you are saying that we should aspire to the act of breastfeeding being normal I would agree. If you are saying we should aspire to bottle feeding being frowned upon I will strongly disagree.

    To each their own. I have my opinions about preschoolers BFing but it really doesn't matter. I do take exception to being told I'm less of a mom because I CHOSE to bottle feed my girls. They are perfectly healthy twin 4 1/2 year olds. In fact, I am surprised at how healthy they stayed in their frist year outside of the home (preschool).
  • glypta
    glypta Posts: 440 Member
    I'm not a mother, so can't comment AS one, but I *can* say I have no problems seeing women's boobs in a breast-feeding way. It's WAY more natural than they fake boobs, the in-you-race boobs in little tops, etc. Breastfeeding is natural. Nutritionally, apparently best. But I have several friends with kids who can't (not enough milk, too painful) or just plain don't want to.

    here in the UK I think is slightly better than the US in terms of acceptance/positivity on this, but I visited Australia this year, and they're the complete opposite: bottle feeding is frowned upon. Women were (discreetly) getting their boobs out everywhere and no-one batted an eyelid. They had wee cover things to give themselves privacy if they wanted (I've never seen that here) but it was just plain' normal'. That's what I think all societies should aspire to.

    I guess if you are saying that we should aspire to the act of breastfeeding being normal I would agree. If you are saying we should aspire to bottle feeding being frowned upon I will strongly disagree.

    To each their own. I have my opinions about preschoolers BFing but it really doesn't matter. I do take exception to being told I'm less of a mom because I CHOSE to bottle feed my girls. They are perfectly healthy twin 4 1/2 year olds. In fact, I am surprised at how healthy they stayed in their frist year outside of the home (preschool).

    Sorry yeah, didn't finish my sentence about my friends who bottle feed! That's fine too. It's the parents' choice what they do: we can all have an opinion - I do - but as soneome else said (on another thread I think) we need to all be respectful of one another in a democracy. I don't think BFing Mum's should be tolerated, they should be embraced. But nor do I think bottle-feeding mothers should be made to feel any less 'mother;y' than their breast-feeding counterparts.
  • nehtaeh
    nehtaeh Posts: 2,849 Member
    I'm not a mother, so can't comment AS one, but I *can* say I have no problems seeing women's boobs in a breast-feeding way. It's WAY more natural than they fake boobs, the in-you-race boobs in little tops, etc. Breastfeeding is natural. Nutritionally, apparently best. But I have several friends with kids who can't (not enough milk, too painful) or just plain don't want to.

    here in the UK I think is slightly better than the US in terms of acceptance/positivity on this, but I visited Australia this year, and they're the complete opposite: bottle feeding is frowned upon. Women were (discreetly) getting their boobs out everywhere and no-one batted an eyelid. They had wee cover things to give themselves privacy if they wanted (I've never seen that here) but it was just plain' normal'. That's what I think all societies should aspire to.

    I guess if you are saying that we should aspire to the act of breastfeeding being normal I would agree. If you are saying we should aspire to bottle feeding being frowned upon I will strongly disagree.

    To each their own. I have my opinions about preschoolers BFing but it really doesn't matter. I do take exception to being told I'm less of a mom because I CHOSE to bottle feed my girls. They are perfectly healthy twin 4 1/2 year olds. In fact, I am surprised at how healthy they stayed in their frist year outside of the home (preschool).

    Sorry yeah, didn't finish my sentence about my friends who bottle feed! That's fine too. It's the parents' choice what they do: we can all have an opinion - I do - but as soneome else said (on another thread I think) we need to all be respectful of one another in a democracy. I don't think BFing Mum's should be tolerated, they should be embraced. But nor do I think bottle-feeding mothers should be made to feel any less 'mother;y' than their breast-feeding counterparts.

    I was alluding more to the TIME cover saying I'm less of a mom because I bottle fed, I know that came across weird.

    I really don't care about what people do so long as they aren't abusing their kids. There are far, far worse things you can do to your kid than BF them until they are 5 (or whatever). I will usually try and stand up for the bottle-fed side though as some try to shame that side in general and there isn't anything wrong with it.
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