Senior pranks with consequences?

fbmandy55
fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
edited December 2024 in Social Groups
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-senior-prank-protest-students-hold-sitin-at-school-gym-after-6-suspended-for-senior-prank-20120516,0,4062804.column

Many people here are discussing a "harmless" senior prank that recently took place here in Indiana. 6 students were suspended, and one janitor fired after seniors covered the school in post-it notes. The students claim they were under adult supervision, a janitor was present and a school board member gave them a key to get in after hours. The principal suspended the students for trespassing. As a result, dozens of parents and students participated in a sit-in at the school. As of today, 66 students have been suspended. Some parents feel it was JUSTIFIED.

The makers of Post-it, 3M are apparently reaching out to the suspended students and offering scholarships.

My only thoughts, that principal is an *kitten* and must have no joy in his life.
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  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    I agree that it was a prank and it was harmless, I don't think anyone should have been fired or suspended, ESPECIALLY the peaceful protesters. On the flip side though stuff like this if left unchecked elevates. So say next year they do something a little crazier and a little crazier until something gets damaged or someone gets hurt. I think the person on the board that gave them the key should have been more accountable for checking with the whole board (I don't know if they did or not) and also being there that day. No one should have been punished but they should make it known if anyone actually does anything that involves theft or damage they will be held legally accountable. My opinion principals a butthead.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    I work at an all-boys high school, so as you can imagine, we get all kinds of senior pranks here. The Post-It note prank was harmless in and of itself. I don't know that firing and suspending was the best form of consequence, though. Seems harsh to me. I do understand the need for Administration be firm on discouraging pranks. What if one of the kids got hurt? What if someone did damage some property? Like Emmy said, pranks tend to elevate year after year. They've got to put their foot down on even seemingly harmless ones.

    We've established certain consequences based on past pranks to keep the boys in line this time of year. We used to have streakers every year until our President said anyone caught streaking or assisting the streaker wouldn't be allowed to walk at graduation. When they wrap the school or do harmless stuff like that, they get to serve several PH's (penance halls) during the summer to clean around campus before we'll release their final transcripts. Stuff like that.
  • kapeluza
    kapeluza Posts: 3,434 Member
    I agree that the school board member should have let all the members know and have them all agree on this before taking action. Although it was a harmless and awesome prank, I can see why the Principal took the actions. I guess had something happen to the students, it would have come back and bit him in the *kitten*. Or no?
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    I meant to add that I do believe the employee, janitor in this case, should receive consequences also. That was stupid on his part. I would never assist any of our students in entering a building no matter how harmless they claimed the prank would be.
  • dragonbait0126
    dragonbait0126 Posts: 568 Member
    Ugh. I know I'm going to be hated on for this but here goes. While yes it was a harmless prank and no one got hurt there are other issues here that aren't being addressed. First, who is the school board member that "gave them a key?" Why is this person not being fired or punished in any way? Secondly, if this board member knew about the prank why did he/she not let the students into the school and then stay on school grounds with them instead of supposedly just handing them a key? Why was the principal not brought into the loop? Why did the principal not go to the board member and ask for details from that person?Why was no one from the school's administration (principal, assistant principal, a teacher, someone) there at the time this all happened? Sorry, while the janitor may be an adult, he's not a member of the school's administration and if someone got hurt then there would be an even bigger problem. And before someone asks how could someone get hurt putting up post-it's, keep in mind they COVERED the school. Granted I'm assuming here, but that gives the impression that it was more than just arm reach and to reach the upper portions of walls or anything out of reach they would have to stand on something be it a chair, a desk, a ladder, whatever. So yes, the potential for someone to get hurt was there. While yes, it was a harmless prank, and I've got nothing against that, I just think that the way it was done could have been handeled better by multiple parties involved and this whole mess could have been avoided.
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    Kids are in far more danger of being hurt by attending a regular school day than they ever would be by sticking up Post-its. It's not a danger factor. It's a crotchety old grumpy pants of a Principal factor.
  • ccmccoy09
    ccmccoy09 Posts: 284 Member
    Punishing people for something that has always been accepted, tolerated and even celebrated is ridiculous. On top of that, the punishment hardly fits the "crime." How about making these kids clean it up or putting them on last-day cleanup duty. Do kids still empty their lockers and binders and strew the papers all over the hallway? Do kids still even have binders and paper?

    If the school board & principal are honestly worried about things escalating with every year, the right thing to do is to make it clear that senior pranks will not be tolerated from here out. Give them fair warning. It probably won't prevent pranks from happening, but at least the kids will know they risk suspension, losing walking privileges, etc. if they participate.

    The board member on the other hand needs to be disciplined, placed on probation, and possibly terminated. What adult thinks it's a good idea to give a bunch of 17 year old boys a key to the school and leave them alone in there???
  • dragonbait0126
    dragonbait0126 Posts: 568 Member
    I found pics! This is certainly not what I envisioned when they said "covered." I was picturing everything being covered like the door windows in the 1st picture. So seeing what they actually did, I will rescend my statements about the potential to get hurt since this is all within arm's reach. That being said, I still stand by all of my other questions/concerns.


    http://www.indystar.com/article/20120516/NEWS/120516022/Post-note-senior-prank-brings-suspensions-students-parents-protest?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com

    Edit to add: The above article says it was the janitor who let the kids into the school not a board member who gave them a key. That's a BIG difference from what the OP's article stated.
  • jenbit
    jenbit Posts: 4,252 Member
    Ok am I the only one who can't believe the principal reacted like this. The prank was very mild and suspending 50 plus other students for non-violent protest is crazy. As for suspending the original 6 those students had premission from a school board member and had a janitor present.. They really shouldn't be in any trouble. If the principal wants to have issues with anyone it should be the school board member who gave these students acess. I have to say he over reacted
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    I found pics!
    THAT was the prank? That's all they did?
    The above article says it was the janitor who let the kids into the school not a board member who gave them a key. That's a BIG difference from what the OP's article stated.

    The janitor should be the one in trouble!
  • Kamikazeflutterby
    Kamikazeflutterby Posts: 770 Member
    Maybe the principle is just trying to discourage lame pranks. This way the class of 2013 will try something involving drugs, destruction and porn.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,788 Member
    "Canaday said the original six would be allowed to return to class Thursday.

    Canaday said the rest of the students who were suspended for two days after walking out of class in protest today would have their suspensions reduced to a single day, and the punishment may be served as after-school detention."

    They were trespassing, right?
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member

    Edit to add: The above article says it was the janitor who let the kids into the school not a board member who gave them a key. That's a BIG difference from what the OP's article stated.

    I believe one Indy station has quoted the Principal saying that the janitor let them in, the studentd are still standing by a school board member giving them a key.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    "Canaday said the original six would be allowed to return to class Thursday.

    Canaday said the rest of the students who were suspended for two days after walking out of class in protest today would have their suspensions reduced to a single day, and the punishment may be served as after-school detention."

    They were trespassing, right?
    The principal says they were, though he also says a janitor/parent let them in. The students are still saying a school board member gave them a key to get in and do it.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,788 Member
    "Canaday said the original six would be allowed to return to class Thursday.

    Canaday said the rest of the students who were suspended for two days after walking out of class in protest today would have their suspensions reduced to a single day, and the punishment may be served as after-school detention."

    They were trespassing, right?
    The principal says they were, though he also says a janitor/parent let them in. The students are still saying a school board member gave them a key to get in and do it.

    They can give up the name of the school board member.
  • SeasideOasis
    SeasideOasis Posts: 1,057 Member
    Really...? All that over some harmless Posit-IT notes?

    My high school during the five years I was there (until last year it was 8-12) including:
    Chalk drawings of half nude women (The seniors were "Bustin Out')
    Bras In Trees
    Clocks being hidden ALL OVER the school set to go off at different times because "Schools Out For The Summer"
    Stink Bombs (and bugs)
    More chalk drawings of other technically inappropriate stuff

    My question is - In a situation like this one, was a person or property hurt? No?

    Then -
    Tell the janitor he is working overtime (unpaid) to clean up the school (with the help of the kids, of course) from all the extra trash, then make the kids ALSO do extra clean up time. Lets say, the day after classes are over but before graduation?

    Suspensions dont teach kids anything. Instead, it gives them a day to usually screw around. Since its the end of the year, they will most likely sun bathe, as there isnt exactly a lot of homework this time of year....Most seniors have already taken finals too!
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    When I graduated in 2005, no one really did pranks. One kids stayed after school and put zip ties on all the lockers and was suspended.

    -Students don't trash the hallways anymore (like the did on Dazed and Confused) it's impossible to do with 7 principals and numerous off-duty, paid police officers roaming every hall.

    -We weren't even allowed to wear shirts from Harry's Chocolate Shop, a legend on Purdue's campus. It was a Chocolate shop but a secret bar during prohibition. Now it's a legendary bar with former patrons such as Neil Armstrong, Drew Brees and many other Purdue Alumni. Locally, I would say there is a shirt in every household. They banned students from wearing them once 50 kids started wearing them a day.

    -I was given a dentention for being late to 'lunch'. I stayed behind to talk to a teacher, used the restroom and was busted walking into the cafeteria 5 minutes after the lunch bell rang.

    -The awareness programs that encouraged making good decisions, ending bullying and treating everyone with respect were all very moving. BUT instead of choosing a variety of 300 students (the point being to include the popular, nerds, loners and bring them together) they always chose the most popular kids as participants. Basically, those yearly programs just gave the 300 coolest kids in school a day to hang with their friends.

    There was NOTHING even remotely fun about school from 2001- 2005.
  • castadiva
    castadiva Posts: 2,016 Member

    -I was given a dentention for being late to 'lunch'. I stayed behind to talk to a teacher, used the restroom and was busted walking into the cafeteria 5 minutes after the lunch bell rang.

    Um, this is just weird! Was 'lunch' a class you were supposed to be at on time?? What would have happened if you'd decided to go to the Library/IT suite/outside to eat lunch in the sun instead of eating in the cafeteria? And how on earth could they justify punishing you for staying behind to talk to a teacher and/or for going to the bathroom?! Truly bizarre.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-all-students-suspensions-revoked-custodian-not-fired-after-postit-prank-20120517,0,515090.column

    Update: After and emergency school board meeting, the students and custodian have been reinstated. Angry parents and protesters are still calling for the resignation of the principal.

    This makes me think that the students truely did have permission.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member

    -I was given a dentention for being late to 'lunch'. I stayed behind to talk to a teacher, used the restroom and was busted walking into the cafeteria 5 minutes after the lunch bell rang.

    Um, this is just weird! Was 'lunch' a class you were supposed to be at on time?? What would have happened if you'd decided to go to the Library/IT suite/outside to eat lunch in the sun instead of eating in the cafeteria? And how on earth could they justify punishing you for staying behind to talk to a teacher and/or for going to the bathroom?! Truly bizarre.

    I think the reason I got the dentention is because I asked, maybe in a smart tone, if he was even allowed to repremand me for being late to lunch.

    Also, you weren't allowed to exit and re-enter the building at all through the day. Any door you took outside would be locked if you tried to re-enter. Sound much like a prison? :laugh:
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    When I graduated in 2005, no one really did pranks. One kids stayed after school and put zip ties on all the lockers and was suspended.
    My oldest son graduated in 2005, and his class did lots of pranks (they even had a streaker in a thong). I think they did the other usual pranks: vaseline on teachers' door knobs, wrapping the school, removed our speed bumps in the parking lot, stacked picnic tables against the doors to the Dining Hall, mice in the library.........your typical boy pranks!
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    I think the reason I got the dentention is because I asked, maybe in a smart tone, if he was even allowed to repremand me for being late to lunch.
    Ha! I love this! Yes, I'm sure you got detention because of your smart @ss comment and NOT for being late to lunch. That's so funny. If I see a boy with his shirt untucked, I'll tell him to tuck it in. If he gives me an attitude about it, I'll give him a PH (same as detention). Never fails that what he ends up claiming is, "Mrs. McNeil gave me a PH for not having my shirt tucked in".
  • castadiva
    castadiva Posts: 2,016 Member

    I think the reason I got the dentention is because I asked, maybe in a smart tone, if he was even allowed to repremand me for being late to lunch.

    Also, you weren't allowed to exit and re-enter the building at all through the day. Any door you took outside would be locked if you tried to re-enter. Sound much like a prison? :laugh:

    Good lord! And they wonder why there's an obesity epidemic... Guess there weren't too many lunchtime games of frisbee/football/cricket/anything that requires space to run around in at your school. Is that normal in the US, or was your school particularly restrictive?

    I've never understood the 'smart' thing - surely you want to encourage kids to think for themselves and question things that are unjust? Sure, there're polite ways to do it, but 'tone' is so subjective. It's like the whole 'talking back' concept - utterly flawed, in my opinion. If a child has a reason/explanation for their actions, I want to hear it!
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    I remember at graduation we were forbidden to throw our hats in the air, they would hold onto our transcripts. Can you believe that BS. Oh no someone might be looking up when they come down and the corner of the hat might permanently blind them.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    I remember at graduation we were forbidden to throw our hats in the air, they would hold onto our transcripts. Can you believe that BS. Oh no someone might be looking up when they come down and the corner of the hat might permanently blind them.
    Hahaha....well, they are quite pointy! :laugh:
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    I remember at graduation we were forbidden to throw our hats in the air, they would hold onto our transcripts. Can you believe that BS. Oh no someone might be looking up when they come down and the corner of the hat might permanently blind them.
    Same here. If we threw our hats they kept our diplomas. And if you weren't there to walk, you didn't get your diploma.
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    I think that the reason american test scores suck worse than most of the rest of the modern world and why productivity is low is because of these high school shenanigans. What we need to churn out are more obedient workders who never rock the boat. Oh, wait, we don't have factory jobs for them anymore. Oh well, the Principal was probably right, young boys and their pranks are a major epidemic and must be dealt with as though a they are a terrible crime. And let's face it, they were tresspassin. Good thing they didn't try this crap in Florida, because according to state "Stand Your Ground" law, if the principal was there he could of shot them instead of suspend them.
  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,716 Member
    It's a joke. And here's why.

    Bullying is a very real problem in schools. I doubt there's a single school in this country where some young kid isn't tortured on a regular basis by a group of larger, more popular, mean kids (boys and girls). It's a serious issue that teachers and school administrators turn a blind eye to on a daily basis.

    But the prank makes the principle look bad. So that he's going to take a strong stand against. He's going to show what a tough guy he is about a meaningless issue, while no doubt ignoring a number of bullies in his own school.

    I really try to support teachers and school administrators, it's a hard and often thankless job and I mock those who try to act like teachers are overpaid. But when it comes to bullying we all know the truth. It goes on and gets a pass.

    But HEAVEN FORBID some put up post-it notes! The horror! What could this lead to??
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    But HEAVEN FORBID
    Wait....what???? I KNEW you believed in Heaven. Now put the baby-sammich down and quit pretending! :wink:
  • EmCarroll1990
    EmCarroll1990 Posts: 2,832 Member
    That's IT? Here I am thinking the entire school has been post-it-ed(?) and it's such a minor thing? Principal's an idiot and needs to re-evaluate the student code handbook.
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