I need some male insight - please!

There is this guy I'm interested in met on POF. We e-mail for about 2 weeks, then texted for about two weeks and then started talking on the phone. The first two conversations we had were both over 4 hours and from there on the shortest phone conversation we've had was just over an hour. Usually we hit 2-3 hours. It's crazy how well we get along.

I went out with him last week and we had a blast and then I went out with him this week and we had a great time too. However, both of these encounters were basically initiated by me. He is shy (or so he says - I've yet to really see it) so I thought the first time I'd just put it out there and see if he wanted to meet up and he did.

My girls leave tomorrow for Seattle for 5 weeks. We talked last night for 2 hours but he never said anything about possibly hanging out. I don't get it.... if he liked me he'd say something about all this free time I'm about to have and the fact that we'll be able to spend time together, right?

Guys are so complicated! :ohwell:

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  • DMZ_1
    DMZ_1 Posts: 2,889 Member
    I don't think guys are complicated. But if I like a woman, and I know she's got some free time coming up, I'm going to make it a priority to get on her schedule.

    Maybe he is shy. Just tell him EXACTLY what is on your mind. Tell him that you'd like him to initiate more. If you set the expectations and he fails to live up to it, it is off your plate.

    Stay cool! Your part of Arizona is getting real hot now.
  • MyTime1985
    MyTime1985 Posts: 456 Member
    Tell him about your upcoming free time and ask him out again. if he doesn't want to, he'll let you know.
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    I don't think guys are complicated. But if I like a woman, and I know she's got some free time coming up, I'm going to make it a priority to get on her schedule.

    Maybe he is shy. Just tell him EXACTLY what is on your mind. Tell him that you'd like him to initiate more. If you set the expectations and he fails to live up to it, it is off your plate.

    Stay cool! Your part of Arizona is getting real hot now.

    Yes -- it's hot. I think it hit 113 yesterday.

    If I initiate he'll say yea - sounds good - and we'll go out. I know this. I just don't want to scare him off already by saying - "initiate damnit"! LOL I really, really like him. We connect on SO many different levels.

    I'll tell you what my gut is telling me.... he's really fit. I have a feeling he really likes me, but probably wishes I was thinner. Personality-wise we're a complete match. I've seen his exs - they are crazy beautiful. I know I'm "cute" but I'm not sure if I measure up. However, when we're together he's very handsy, kisses me a lot and is extremely affectionate. I know at least know he's somewhat attracted otherwise that wouldn't be happening. Correct?

    He knows I'm working on getting fitter and we talk about that often. Would a guy just keep hanging out in hopes that I drop 15-20 lbs? Could weight be playing a roll in him not initiating or do you think I'm over-thinking this?
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    Tell him about your upcoming free time and ask him out again. if he doesn't want to, he'll let you know.

    He knows. Last night he was kind of giving me a pep talk and saying how much time I'll have to myself and to just have fun. WTF is that supposed to mean? :noway:
  • poncho33
    poncho33 Posts: 1,511
    Tell him about your upcoming free time and ask him out again. if he doesn't want to, he'll let you know.

    He knows. Last night he was kind of giving me a pep talk and saying how much time I'll have to myself and to just have fun. WTF is that supposed to mean? :noway:

    I'm just jumping in here so correct me if I'm wrong, my question is: Did you ever ask him to spend some of that time with you?? It's your time, like if you had a house he wouldn't just assume he could stop over unannounced... I think if you haven't it's on you to ask him to spend your free time with him.
  • Steelheart7
    Steelheart7 Posts: 1,056
    Girl here .. but I agree. You are relatively new .. he may just be being polite and not assuming you are going to want to spend YOUR free time with him.
  • lacroyx
    lacroyx Posts: 5,754 Member
    Some guys are slow to warm up to physical relations. I know I am. Once I am comfortable it just flows easier. Just to cover our bases is he a virgin or religous?

    Also wanted to add, we are thick headed and sometimes need very clear signals.
  • DavetheHYNIC
    DavetheHYNIC Posts: 318 Member
    There is this guy I'm interested in met on POF. We e-mail for about 2 weeks, then texted for about two weeks and then started talking on the phone. The first two conversations we had were both over 4 hours and from there on the shortest phone conversation we've had was just over an hour. Usually we hit 2-3 hours. It's crazy how well we get along.

    I went out with him last week and we had a blast and then I went out with him this week and we had a great time too. However, both of these encounters were basically initiated by me. He is shy (or so he says - I've yet to really see it) so I thought the first time I'd just put it out there and see if he wanted to meet up and he did.

    My girls leave tomorrow for Seattle for 5 weeks. We talked last night for 2 hours but he never said anything about possibly hanging out. I don't get it.... if he liked me he'd say something about all this free time I'm about to have and the fact that we'll be able to spend time together, right?

    Guys are so complicated! :ohwell:

    You set the precedent by takin the lead and asking him out so he's taking the going out cues from you. My thing is that if you guys have all this great conversational chemistry why arent you addressing this with him instead of posting about it ?
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    Some guys are slow to warm up to physical relations. I know I am. Once I am comfortable it just flows easier. Just to cover our bases is he a virgin or religous?

    Oh heck no... he's a hot, sexy, 6'3" tattooed, body guard. LOL

    Because we'd talked so much before we met, the FIRST date we went on he was extremely affectionate. It felt like we'd known each other for years. Very comfortable. No weird first date vibes or anything. Just very easy being together. I got out of my car, he hugged me, and didn't let go of me for 3 hours. Same scenario the second time.
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    There is this guy I'm interested in met on POF. We e-mail for about 2 weeks, then texted for about two weeks and then started talking on the phone. The first two conversations we had were both over 4 hours and from there on the shortest phone conversation we've had was just over an hour. Usually we hit 2-3 hours. It's crazy how well we get along.

    I went out with him last week and we had a blast and then I went out with him this week and we had a great time too. However, both of these encounters were basically initiated by me. He is shy (or so he says - I've yet to really see it) so I thought the first time I'd just put it out there and see if he wanted to meet up and he did.

    My girls leave tomorrow for Seattle for 5 weeks. We talked last night for 2 hours but he never said anything about possibly hanging out. I don't get it.... if he liked me he'd say something about all this free time I'm about to have and the fact that we'll be able to spend time together, right?

    Guys are so complicated! :ohwell:

    You set the precedent by takin the lead and asking him out so he's taking the going out cues from you. My thing is that if you guys have all this great conversational chemistry why arent you addressing this with him instead of posting about it ?

    I don't want to directly ask him because I don't want to seem pushy. I was really hoping last night when we were talking about my free time he'd just say something about getting together next week and he didn't. So then I got to thinking - after we hung up - that maybe he's just not as into me as I am him or maybe he's dating someone else as well. who knows. I guess I'll have to just man-up and ask.
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    Tell him about your upcoming free time and ask him out again. if he doesn't want to, he'll let you know.

    He knows. Last night he was kind of giving me a pep talk and saying how much time I'll have to myself and to just have fun. WTF is that supposed to mean? :noway:

    I'm just jumping in here so correct me if I'm wrong, my question is: Did you ever ask him to spend some of that time with you?? It's your time, like if you had a house he wouldn't just assume he could stop over unannounced... I think if you haven't it's on you to ask him to spend your free time with him.

    Maybe -- I hadn't thought about it that way. I hate when people show up at my house unannounced! LOL
  • dbrightwell1270
    dbrightwell1270 Posts: 1,732 Member
    Ask him to do something. At the end of that date, tell him you'd like to see what he can come up with for the next date.
  • becfrogs
    becfrogs Posts: 39 Member
    I can see your opinions but also agree with the others................this is still very very new so if he's shy then it may be hard for him to say he wants to spend time with you (and possibly appear overly pushy). As friends it would be your place to say, "hey wanna come hang out?" Yes he should ask you to spend time together too but you've only talked in person a few times and honestly emails and texts don't really count because online you can be anyone you want but it's really the inperson that truly counts IMO. I talked to a guy online for 8 months and we really hit it off. On camera he seemed outgoing and a very interesting character......but he came down to visit for 2 weeks and after a week of realizing how socially akward he is and how I felt like I was having a one sided conversation constantly it just wasn't going to work and I asked him to leave. At no time did sex even come into the picture and we were just hanging to get to know eachother. It was an eye opener for me to always meet the guy in person and spend time in person together before getting into phone or text conversations.

    I'd be straight up with him and ask if he was hoping to spend time together these 5 weeks and if he says yes then tell him you'd like him to plan your next adventure.
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    Girl here .. but I agree. You are relatively new .. he may just be being polite and not assuming you are going to want to spend YOUR free time with him.

    Yeah - I see your point. Last night I was pretty upset because I was packing my girls up to leave when he called. He asked about me being upset and I just told him how gut-wrenching it is to have your kids leave for so long and he was so understanding -- he has a son and has full custody and doesn't like being without him for long either. However, what I really WISH he would have said was, "Hey - I'm here, I'll keep you company!" I'd already told him how last year (the first year my girls had to leave for the summer) I actually had a friend come live with me because I was so upset to be without them. This year I just have this big empty house.
  • cbeutler
    cbeutler Posts: 667 Member
    If you are willing to take a risk invite him out for something active. Something you know you are good at. There is a park by my house with a beach and a 6 mile path around the park. So if I was in the same situation I might plan a half day excursion. Light lunch, six mile walk around the park, time on the beach a little swimming, then a picnic dinner on the beach. From there you could shower up and either head back to his place, hit the bar or call it a day.

    It says a number of things, I'm comfortable with who I am, I can keep up with you, I'm fun and interesting...

    Then at the end if you had a good time I'd put the ball in his court. Let's do something on ___________day I'll let you plan it.

    Also I've said this before guys generally are not that complicated. Given the hard way and the easy way we generally take the easy way. Keep us fed and entertained and we are happy. That is not to say we don't have issues just they are normally pretty boring issues.
  • Carl01
    Carl01 Posts: 9,307 Member
    Just ask him but also make sure he is completely aware that you are interested and to not feel shy around you.
    While I don`t think a lady should stand back and take a completely passive role in getting to know each other I don`t think a guy should either so shyness only goes so far.
  • TheKitsune6
    TheKitsune6 Posts: 5,798 Member
    There's a couple things I'd like to address, the first one of which I'm surprised no one else has mentioned (unless I missed it?).

    1) You mentioned something about him being super fit and good looking and his past girlfriends being the same way. You said that he might be hanging out in the hopes of you losing 15-20lbs? So. What. Fact is, he likes you. Even when he's not being handsy and physically affectionate with you he is talking to you for hours at a time! He's attracted to your personality, and in 15-20lbs he'll be that much more physically attracted to your body. It can kind of a bummer to have to accept that but the fact is "we" aren't happy with our bodies so "we" are changing them too. It's not fair to expect someone else to like what we ourselves don't, right? It's basically a nonissue.

    2) Based on the info you've given, this guy doesn't do subtlety. Hinting isn't going to get you anywhere ever. Be up front, clear and communicative about what you want. You won't seem pushy, you'll just suddenly start making a lot more sense! He may have seen your hints of "Wow, I have so much time!" as you looking forward to alone time and didn't want to intrude on that. So just tell him you are looking forward to spending more time with him, and that he should plan something for the two of you to do when he is free too.
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    There's a couple things I'd like to address, the first one of which I'm surprised no one else has mentioned (unless I missed it?).

    1) You mentioned something about him being super fit and good looking and his past girlfriends being the same way. You said that he might be hanging out in the hopes of you losing 15-20lbs? So. What. Fact is, he likes you. Even when he's not being handsy and physically affectionate with you he is talking to you for hours at a time! He's attracted to your personality, and in 15-20lbs he'll be that much more physically attracted to your body. It can kind of a bummer to have to accept that but the fact is "we" aren't happy with our bodies so "we" are changing them too. It's not fair to expect someone else to like what we ourselves don't, right? It's basically a nonissue.

    2) Based on the info you've given, this guy doesn't do subtlety. Hinting isn't going to get you anywhere ever. Be up front, clear and communicative about what you want. You won't seem pushy, you'll just suddenly start making a lot more sense! He may have seen your hints of "Wow, I have so much time!" as you looking forward to alone time and didn't want to intrude on that. So just tell him you are looking forward to spending more time with him, and that he should plan something for the two of you to do when he is free too.

    I actually think you are the first that addressed it. Ok -- non-issue. Just need to get that into my thick skull. He has told me now that he's older (42) he's not into dating young and crazy and that he's looking for a more mature and stable person, which I am. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that he's okay with the way I currently look. I suppose he might be though.

    I'll ask him tonight and see what his plans are or maybe I'll just say that now that the girls are gone let me know if you want to hang out, because I'm pretty free the next month. Most of the guys I've met online I kind of get bored with after a couple dates. They fizzle fast. He's not fizzling... LOL.
  • christine24t
    christine24t Posts: 6,063 Member
    Ask him to do something. At the end of that date, tell him you'd like to see what he can come up with for the next date.

    I would say something along these lines. Afterwards, say "I had fun. If you'd like to go out again, call me." YOU set the precedent. If he calls, great. If not, then you know he wasn't really that into you and was just hanging because you asked.
  • TheKitsune6
    TheKitsune6 Posts: 5,798 Member
    There's a couple things I'd like to address, the first one of which I'm surprised no one else has mentioned (unless I missed it?).

    1) You mentioned something about him being super fit and good looking and his past girlfriends being the same way. You said that he might be hanging out in the hopes of you losing 15-20lbs? So. What. Fact is, he likes you. Even when he's not being handsy and physically affectionate with you he is talking to you for hours at a time! He's attracted to your personality, and in 15-20lbs he'll be that much more physically attracted to your body. It can kind of a bummer to have to accept that but the fact is "we" aren't happy with our bodies so "we" are changing them too. It's not fair to expect someone else to like what we ourselves don't, right? It's basically a nonissue.

    2) Based on the info you've given, this guy doesn't do subtlety. Hinting isn't going to get you anywhere ever. Be up front, clear and communicative about what you want. You won't seem pushy, you'll just suddenly start making a lot more sense! He may have seen your hints of "Wow, I have so much time!" as you looking forward to alone time and didn't want to intrude on that. So just tell him you are looking forward to spending more time with him, and that he should plan something for the two of you to do when he is free too.

    I actually think you are the first that addressed it. Ok -- non-issue. Just need to get that into my thick skull. He has told me now that he's older (42) he's not into dating young and crazy and that he's looking for a more mature and stable person, which I am. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that he's okay with the way I currently look. I suppose he might be though.

    I'll ask him tonight and see what his plans are or maybe I'll just say that now that the girls are gone let me know if you want to hang out, because I'm pretty free the next month. Most of the guys I've met online I kind of get bored with after a couple dates. They fizzle fast. He's not fizzling... LOL.

    I just poked through your photos for the first time. WOMAN! The way you were talking I thought you would be bigger. You look great, you're adorable and yes there's room for progress but holy cow you have great legs. He likes you and he's showing it and as long as you are making progress that YOU are happy with... to hell with the past GF's, obviously he's moved on to something better amirite?

    I like your plan! Though don't say "If you want to hang out" say "When is our next date" (one is friend zone, the other is bow chika bow wow)
  • Daisy_Cutter
    Daisy_Cutter Posts: 774
    There's a couple things I'd like to address, the first one of which I'm surprised no one else has mentioned (unless I missed it?).

    1) You mentioned something about him being super fit and good looking and his past girlfriends being the same way. You said that he might be hanging out in the hopes of you losing 15-20lbs? So. What. Fact is, he likes you. Even when he's not being handsy and physically affectionate with you he is talking to you for hours at a time! He's attracted to your personality, and in 15-20lbs he'll be that much more physically attracted to your body. It can kind of a bummer to have to accept that but the fact is "we" aren't happy with our bodies so "we" are changing them too. It's not fair to expect someone else to like what we ourselves don't, right? It's basically a nonissue.

    2) Based on the info you've given, this guy doesn't do subtlety. Hinting isn't going to get you anywhere ever. Be up front, clear and communicative about what you want. You won't seem pushy, you'll just suddenly start making a lot more sense! He may have seen your hints of "Wow, I have so much time!" as you looking forward to alone time and didn't want to intrude on that. So just tell him you are looking forward to spending more time with him, and that he should plan something for the two of you to do when he is free too.

    I actually think you are the first that addressed it. Ok -- non-issue. Just need to get that into my thick skull. He has told me now that he's older (42) he's not into dating young and crazy and that he's looking for a more mature and stable person, which I am. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that he's okay with the way I currently look. I suppose he might be though.

    I'll ask him tonight and see what his plans are or maybe I'll just say that now that the girls are gone let me know if you want to hang out, because I'm pretty free the next month. Most of the guys I've met online I kind of get bored with after a couple dates. They fizzle fast. He's not fizzling... LOL.

    I just poked through your photos for the first time. WOMAN! The way you were talking I thought you would be bigger. You look great, you're adorable and yes there's room for progress but holy cow you have great legs. He likes you and he's showing it and as long as you are making progress that YOU are happy with... to hell with the past GF's, obviously he's moved on to something better amirite?

    I like your plan! Though don't say "If you want to hang out" say "When is our next date" (one is friend zone, the other is bow chika bow wow)

    LOL -- I know I'm not bad...just not tight body-toned belly gal. But thank you for the compliment! I'll let you guys know what he says the next time I see him. Was hoping that would be tomorrow as I'll be in his neck of the woods, but am not sure!

    Oh yeah, he has commented on how strong my legs are.... LOL. I think he really appreciated them. They are pretty solid but of course he told his were still better. LOL... MEN! (definitely can't let a woman have stronger legs!)

    Thanks again! :flowerforyou:
  • AnnaPixie
    AnnaPixie Posts: 7,439 Member
    There's a couple things I'd like to address, the first one of which I'm surprised no one else has mentioned (unless I missed it?).

    1) You mentioned something about him being super fit and good looking and his past girlfriends being the same way. You said that he might be hanging out in the hopes of you losing 15-20lbs? So. What. Fact is, he likes you. Even when he's not being handsy and physically affectionate with you he is talking to you for hours at a time! He's attracted to your personality, and in 15-20lbs he'll be that much more physically attracted to your body. It can kind of a bummer to have to accept that but the fact is "we" aren't happy with our bodies so "we" are changing them too. It's not fair to expect someone else to like what we ourselves don't, right? It's basically a nonissue.

    2) Based on the info you've given, this guy doesn't do subtlety. Hinting isn't going to get you anywhere ever. Be up front, clear and communicative about what you want. You won't seem pushy, you'll just suddenly start making a lot more sense! He may have seen your hints of "Wow, I have so much time!" as you looking forward to alone time and didn't want to intrude on that. So just tell him you are looking forward to spending more time with him, and that he should plan something for the two of you to do when he is free too.

    I actually think you are the first that addressed it. Ok -- non-issue. Just need to get that into my thick skull. He has told me now that he's older (42) he's not into dating young and crazy and that he's looking for a more mature and stable person, which I am. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that he's okay with the way I currently look. I suppose he might be though.

    I'll ask him tonight and see what his plans are or maybe I'll just say that now that the girls are gone let me know if you want to hang out, because I'm pretty free the next month. Most of the guys I've met online I kind of get bored with after a couple dates. They fizzle fast. He's not fizzling... LOL.

    I just poked through your photos for the first time. WOMAN! The way you were talking I thought you would be bigger. You look great, you're adorable and yes there's room for progress but holy cow you have great legs. He likes you and he's showing it and as long as you are making progress that YOU are happy with... to hell with the past GF's, obviously he's moved on to something better amirite?

    I like your plan! Though don't say "If you want to hang out" say "When is our next date" (one is friend zone, the other is bow chika bow wow)

    LOL -- I know I'm not bad...just not tight body-toned belly gal. But thank you for the compliment! I'll let you guys know what he says the next time I see him. Was hoping that would be tomorrow as I'll be in his neck of the woods, but am not sure!

    Oh yeah, he has commented on how strong my legs are.... LOL. I think he really appreciated them. They are pretty solid but of course he told his were still better. LOL... MEN! (definitely can't let a woman have stronger legs!)

    Thanks again! :flowerforyou:

    I agree, you're gorgeous :flowerforyou: He's definitely not holding back because of 20lbs!! Men dont carry on talking to women for hours and being tactile with women they dont want to sleep with!! No more than women would with a man they didnt want to sleep with!!

    However, I do think that he's a wuss and is holding back because of 'something'!! I would also have expected him to jump in when I said how much time I have free. So, there's an alarm ringing for me somewhere........hmmm!! What you need to consider is if the passive role he's adopted will get on your nerves long term? So, in order to switch the precident, you need to say to him something like "hey, how come I alwasys ask YOU out?" or "hey, can I ask you something? Are you just seeing me because I asked you?"

    Then gauge his reactions and go from there. He will either become more assertive at your suggestion, or just be a passive/lazy kinda guy that you will need to accept long term.

    But judging by the amount you 'chat' I cant really understand why he's not being more proactive. Just had a thought - Perhaps he's skint/broke?? (I know some of you guys/Americans have a thing that whoever asks for the date has to pay??)

    Anyway, yep, woman up and ask him!! :flowerforyou: