"The government should stay out of my bedroom and out of my vagina, but I insist it help pay for my birth control and abortions".

Yeah, that confuses me.

"If my employees have health insurance - they will subscribe to the tenets of my religion, whether they are members of my faith or not"

If you are a religious institution, then abso-frigin-lutely.

So, no. Not really a "touché".

"If my employees have health insurance - they will subscribe to the tenets of my religion, whether they are members of my faith or not"

If you are a religious institution, then abso-frigin-lutely.

So, no. Not really a "touché".

It would be if I were working for 'em, cause I'd quit. There's stuff my boss gets to control, and stuff he don't.

in·sur·ance
noun
1. the act, system, or business of insuring property, life, one's person, etc., against loss or harm arising in specified contingencies, as fire, accident, death, disablement, or the like, in consideration of a payment proportionate to the risk involved.
2. coverage by contract in which one party agrees to indemnify or reimburse another for loss that occurs under the terms of the contract.
3. the contract itself, set forth in a written or printed agreement or policy.
4. the amount for which anything is insured.
5. an insurance premium.

It is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't. If you don't want to provide employess with insurance,,, then don't.

We have to pass the law in order to find out what's in it...............................:huh:

We have to pass the law in order to find out what's in it...............................:huh:

I don't know if it makes a difference, but here is the actual quote with some discussion about it. (also the link to the information is posted. It is still an awkward statement, but when I hear things that doesn't make sense, I try to find out more.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/05/pelosi.html

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Even though it happened in mid-March, seething opponents of the health-care reform law continue to bring up that Nancy Pelosi said, "we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it," suggesting she was masterminding an attempt to sneak the bill past the public.

Context for this remark was assembled by the Pulitzer Prize-winning team at Politifact, which pointed out that the full quote was "we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”

Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly offered this interpretation of Pelosi's comment: "She meant there was so much talk about process (in Congress) that people have lost sight of what’s actually in the bill. Once it’s passed, we can remind them of all the good things that are in it."...

The non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation...reminded us that Congress (had posted) the entire legislation online....

U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Lewisville, among a handful of physicians in Congress and an opponent to the Democrats' proposal... told us it's often true that the ins and outs of legislation aren't widely known until after a measure passes into law; that held true, for instance, for the Republican-steered measure providing government aid toward prescription drugs for seniors.

Pelosi's "right," Burgess said, though "I don’t think that’s a good strategy (to declare as much). I wouldn’t recommend anyone actually broadcasting that."

Yeah, speaking the truth is never a good idea in Washington.

Opportunity in America means people 'get as much education as they can afford'

But in the interest of fairness, here is the entire statement as it was spoken.

I want to make sure that we keep America a place of opportunity where everyone has a fair shot, they get as much education as they can afford and with their time they're able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot at realizing their dreams.

I have zero problem with this statement, either the abbreviated version or the full length one.

College education isn't a right. Everyone isn't destined to go.

Opportunity in America means people 'get as much education as they can afford'

But in the interest of fairness, here is the entire statement as it was spoken.

I want to make sure that we keep America a place of opportunity where everyone has a fair shot, they get as much education as they can afford and with their time they're able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot at realizing their dreams.

I have zero problem with this statement, either the abbreviated version or the full length one.

College education isn't a right. Everyone isn't destined to go.

Yep. Only the children of the well off are destined to go. The "Girls Gone Wild" videos clearly display the superiority of our more worthy young people.

This is me not taking the bait. I'm calling it growth.

I wasn't baiting anyone. I just thought that statement seemed appropriate in this thread. I was just participating. Feel free to add your own and not respond to mine!

Opportunity in America means people 'get as much education as they can afford'

But in the interest of fairness, here is the entire statement as it was spoken.

I want to make sure that we keep America a place of opportunity where everyone has a fair shot, they get as much education as they can afford and with their time they're able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot at realizing their dreams.

I have zero problem with this statement, either the abbreviated version or the full length one.

College education isn't a right. Everyone isn't destined to go.

Yep. Only the children of the well off are destined to go. The "Girls Gone Wild" videos clearly display the superiority of our more worthy young people.

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

College isn't something someone "deserves". It's something you purchase. Either ahead of time, if you/your parents are fortunate enough, or after the fact, because the government is willing to front tuition money for ayone who asks them to.

In the US, nobody who wants a college education is denied one. Pell Grants and Subsidized and Unsubsidized Stafford loans make sure that anyone who is willing to earn it, can have it.


All that said, everyone isn't destined to go, becuase not everyone is willing to do what it takes to earn it.

Our daughter is 23 years old. Married woman, independent student. Working on a chemical engineering degree at an excellent Ohio state school. She gets almost nothing. The pell system has been gutted and her grant doesn't cover 2 books per term. She and her hubs are working their butts off, mom and I are providing the support we can, and they're doing it on private student loans that are just slightly better than credit cards.

10 years ago you were right, but that's not the case anymore. To go to college nowadays requires massive family support, tons of scholarships that are hell to qualify for, or just going in hock up to your *kitten*. It's disgusting. One year at a state school without a dorm room or meal plan should not cost more than a new car.

"The government should stay out of my bedroom and out of my vagina, but I insist it help pay for my birth control and abortions".

Yeah, that confuses me.

So no insurance coverage for Viagra, other ED meds, or vasectomies?

This one makes me giggle like a school girl.

:laugh:

Ha!

Our daughter is 23 years old. Married woman, independent student. Working on a chemical engineering degree at an excellent Ohio state school. She gets almost nothing. The pell system has been gutted and her grant doesn't cover 2 books per term. She and her hubs are working their butts off, mom and I are providing the support we can, and they're doing it on private student loans that are just slightly better than credit cards.

10 years ago you were right, but that's not the case anymore. To go to college nowadays requires massive family support, tons of scholarships that are hell to qualify for, or just going in hock up to your *kitten*. It's disgusting. One year at a state school without a dorm room or meal plan should not cost more than a new car.

scholarships ARE hell to qualify for. They're paying you to further your education, imho, it should be difficult to earn that.

I went to U of Nevada Reno. Each semester I took the number of classes I could take, based on how much financial aid would pay for. I never even earned any grades-based scholarships, I only relied on the Pell and the Stafford loans I could take out. I was also married at the time, stepkid in the house, and working to support our household. I was above the age where they consider your parent's income.

It took me 6 years to do it, but I finished my bachelor's degree in 2004, and graduated with just about $28,000 in loans. I was fortunate to be able to lock in a lower rate of interest (3%), because in 2004 interest rates were at an all-time low. That was pure luck on my part. I realize many people have higher rates on their loans.

8 years later, I am a starving school teacher and my husband is on unemployment. I have been able to pay minimal payments, or get deferments, and have suffered no ill effects to my credit score based on my inability to pay down my student loans. I am going to be in a position to pay them down pretty soon, but it hasn't happened yet, and my credit is still OK.

That's just my story. Everybody's got one. But I had NO out-of-pocket expenses to attend college.

Perhaps your daughter is attending a more expensive school than she can afford.

scholarships ARE hell to qualify for. They're paying you to further your education, imho, it should be difficult to earn that.

I went to U of Nevada Reno. Each semester I took the number of classes I could take, based on how much financial aid would pay for. I never even earned any grades-based scholarships, I only relied on the Pell and the Stafford loans I could take out. I was also married at the time, stepkid in the house, and working to support our household. I was above the age where they consider your parent's income.

It took me 6 years to do it, but I finished my bachelor's degree in 2004, and graduated with just about $28,000 in loans. I was fortunate to be able to lock in a lower rate of interest (3%), because in 2004 interest rates were at an all-time low. That was pure luck on my part. I realize many people have higher rates on their loans.

8 years later, I am a starving school teacher and my husband is on unemployment. I have been able to pay minimal payments, or get deferments, and have suffered no ill effects to my credit score based on my inability to pay down my student loans. I am going to be in a position to pay them down pretty soon, but it hasn't happened yet, and my credit is still OK.

That's just my story. Everybody's got one. But I had NO out-of-pocket expenses to attend college.

Perhaps your daughter is attending a more expensive school than she can afford.

My daughter is in a very similar situation to what you describe. Married, old enough, etc. She is not working so she can concentrate on school. Her hubs does not make a lot of $. Her Pell is about $500 a semester. She is not eligible for a Stafford. As I said, all that has been gutted. It can't be done with no out-of-pocket anymore - at least not at a 4 year school. You can still do Community College on FAFSA alone, but if your goal is the BS you're going to need some cash and some help.

She is going to an Ohio state school. (Ohio University BTW - Go Bobcats). There is no cheaper 4 year school - none.

My son just got a huge amount in Pell grants and Stafford loans. He has everything covered and doesn't have to pay back any loans until graduation. Interest rate wasn't bad, either. He's on his way to a small, private school out of our state. I just don't understand when I hear people say they can't afford to go to college any more.

A friend of mine did not qualify for any college loans because his parents made too much money. They refused to help with a dime towards school. He had to work his way through and never finished and it was NOT easy for him.

A friend of mine did not qualify for any college loans because his parents made too much money. They refused to help with a dime towards school. He had to work his way through and never finished and it was NOT easy for him.

I'm not saying its easy. I'm saying it can be done. And if his parents aren't supporting him, he can apply with his own income.