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Depends on the size of your chocolate bar, but if it's the usual size serving as part of a balanced diet, not only is it not excess, chocolate can in fact be beneficial to your health.

Well, they raise blood sugar because they have added sugar... I mean you can't get sugar from no sugar, right? And consistently (and artificially) elevated blood sugar levels are a risk factor for diabetes for those who currently do not have the disease. I have no quarrel with CICO - in fact, I believe in it. The point I…

I never said anything against "some" added sugars. We're - I am at least - talking about long term, sustained excess.

Let me first reiterate what I said - that long term AND excess refined sugar intake can cause medical issues (NOT that any refined sugar intake at all is a problem). The link you provided proves that point. From that very link: Note, that says sugar-sweetened beverages should be avoided to PREVENT diabetes, not simply to…

Scientific studies don't characterize things as "good" or "bad" because those words are value judgments, not facts. The point here is excess of sugar consumption isn't simply problematic because of the excess sugar itself, but also because it can cause one to consume excess of other foods, thus increasing overall calorie…

And excess and long-term refined sugar intake.

Wait a minute. YOU just pointed out where it says sugar is bad. At the minimum, the WHO guideline, even according to you, indicates that sugars can be a risk factor, even if not the only factor promoting weight gain. If free sugars (as the WHO document refers to it) is one of the factors that can cause one to overeat (even…

If you are getting sick from diet, exercise or a combination of both, stop it right now and talk to your doctor. We can all guess till the cows come home as to what the problem is, but only your doctor will be able to tell you what is making you sick. There is nothing in the simple fact of calorie restriction that should…

The statement bolded above is in fact untrue. Depending on your level of extra weight, being overweight may in fact be - actually almost certainly is in your case (28 year old male who started at 205 lbs, but we don't know your height) - more healthy than starving yourself. The extra weight at your age will not cause that…

Alright, my bad. It's not a strawman. But the example is still extreme as it rarely actually occurs.

Based on this thread and real life, very few can prove adherence to a strict clean eating regimen. Fewer than actually eat junk food all the time.

Sure we are discussing what people really do. The two examples the OP originally sites doesn't say "who would lose more weight if one person claims to do this and the other person claims to do that", it very specifically sets up scenarios of what they do.

Again, whether an example is reality-based depends on what people DO, not what people claim or advocate.

Deciding whether an example is extreme/straw man is not related to the existence of the practice's advocates, it's related to the practice's actual adherents. And I don't think anyone seriously disputes that there are actually more people who eat a primarily fast food diet in the US than there are people who eat a…

That's what I said, yes.

There's a difference between claim and truth. OP himself admitted that no one claiming so has actually backed up their claim by opening their diary (even if you could trust that). I also have known people in real life who claim to be clean eaters and with fairly moderate amount of picking at them I have been able to reveal…

No, the moderate eater is not an extreme example. But the example of a person who strictly adheres to 100% "clean" diet IS an extreme example. My point partly is that you are comparing an extreme case to a balanced case, and that is no less a strawman than people who say "ok you eat 1500 calories of cake a day then."

As you just admitted, the people whose claims you are going by to create the 100% "clean" dieter example exist on the Internet with closed diaries. You don't actually know anyone in real life who eats 100% "clean", do you? I don't. When you do find someone who claims to, I guarantee you a little pushing and prodding will…

Yes. McDonald's. The only difference between 100% McDonald's "dieters" and "clean" dieters is that the clean dieters do so consciously while most people eating McDonald's for all or most of their meals aren't conscious about their choice (or their caloric intake). While your point is valid that I intentionally picked an…

Are you effing serious? You are applying your dietary formula and saying everyone, universally, is the exact same as you. That's bs, and calling it bs is not libel. And yeah, labs have your result, but we have to take you at your word for the food intake stuff before you say you "cleaned up" your diet, don't we? Was some…

With the assumptions exactly as they are stated in your question, of course they would both lose at roughly the same rate. The question, though, is whether those assumptions are reasonable. It is far easier to maintain a balanced diet than any kind of a fad diet; be that fad diet all junk food or all "clean" food. Over…

Tracking your steps throughout daily activity should not be added burn. This is taken into account in the energy you need to go through the day anyway. Unless you are walking extra *in order to* exercise, just usual movement should NOT be added as extra calories. As for cycling, outdoors or indoors? Where's the calories…

Does the elliptical have a calorie estimator on it? Often those estimates are more accurate because they are based on the actual amount of energy needed to move the machine rather than a static heart rate based estimate. The best way to really know if you are doing this right is to give it time and see what the scale says,…

I would say your issue is both logging food and logging exercise. I don't know how much you exercise daily, but getting 800+ burn even from an hour is a rather difficult feat that is nearly impossible unless you are in a rather athletic cardio condition. Just because you get winded from something doesn't make it "vigorous"…

There's no reason to give up junk food. In fact, if you do, your binges will get worse. But you can moderate it. Eat filling foods like nuts, seeds, nut butters, and high protein foods like lean meats and fish. Keep some good fat in your diet. Then take down the amount of junk food. If you eat 3 McDonald's burgers a day…

But I use the time I save to go on a bike ride, or hike, or swim, or do something fabulously active!

No. At least for me. A lot of people I know have fitbits, and most of them like it, but I see no use for it. I track my intake, my exercise - turns out mine are high intensity enough to match MFP estimates or better since I keep losing weight at a good rate. I went on vacation recently and wasn't even tempted to binge;…

Mind opening your food diary?

Funny you should ask. I returned from a cruise about 2 weeks ago, and it turned out that I actually lost a pound during it. And I wasn't even trying to. I wasn't logging on the cruise (I am NOT paying $70 a day for wifi, thank you), and I was eating what I felt like. Turns out, my body's been retrained. Without even…

There is little doubt that tracking and properly logging is necessary. But, there are a few techniques you can use to eat fewer calories and still feel food, so your cravings would go down naturally. First, avoid straight sugar shots as much as you can. This includes foods with added sugars, but also "all natural" juices.…