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Yes. My friends, family and I have had success. You're definitely on the right track. Keep reading and reading, there is a lot of information out there in books, but more importantly in the literature (peer-reviewed journal articles). Its taken me years to go through much of it.

FunkyTobias' and Mamapeach's statements explain everything on this subject.

Sorry, to be clear, you just said that the diseases of today are not more prevalent than they used to be. And that's why they dominate the spectrum, because we are living longer. I just want to be clear that that is what you said.

Ok. That was the most powerful statement I've seen/read on this subject. Ever. I didn't expect to hear that. Is this the consensus?? That "The particular claims in this thread leaning towards disease prevention are quite disturbing and woo-like"????

Again. That is not the assumption. Again. Back then, we had diseases and a host of other problems. Many of which we can prevent/eliminate now. Now, we have different diseases that completely dominate the spectrum. The whole point is to get the benefit of getting rid of the bad old stuff (which today's society…

You're right. They didn't work that way. But if the frequency of these diseases back then was anything like it is now, they would have showed up on most autopsies that were performed. And I wasn't limiting diagnosis to autopsies. Several of the findings that I listed (and didn't list) can easily be observed clinically.

Nobody said one specific diet needs to be followed. All of the factors you stated are important. But diet is one of the factors under our control, and an option to mitigate overall risk.

Yes, sorry, I slipped up on bread. When I put that in there I was referencing paleolithic times in my mind, not what came after the neolithic revolution. I am not arguing that the chronic diseases (including cancer) of today didn't exist throughout history. I am arguing that the prevalence of these conditions was…

Perfectly fair!!! That's why I don't believe in evangelizing paleo (or anything). Choosing the enjoyment of modern uhm...."created" ... foods over diseases that you could potentially acquire later in life is a perfectly valid choice to make!!!!!

I never said the people that I am debating with (arguing makes it more personal which I did not intend) follow SAD. I am commenting on SAD itself. Not the people I am debating with.

It is a funny pic. But that being said, as a general rule, attempting to outsmart nature will always catch up to us. Especially with diet. But eating a poisonous/toxic mushroom is allowing nature to outsmart you. And... that's how nature selects its best and brightest. The take home point I got out of this is that nature…

Hey man, no need to get angry, I wasn't looking for a fight, just stating a viewpoint. Paleolithic people were not disease free. I didn't say that. They just didn't have the same diseases. The chronic diseases in question were not even close to the main causes of death before 1900. Or even 1950. Yes, we can diagnose them…

Yeah, I agree, it's not about the dogma, but the overall approach. And glad you brought up CICO - I don't think eating less amount of food is a bad idea. Those who preach paleo dogma seemed to have really rubbed some of you guys the wrong way, and I see why. That dogmatic stuff is stupid and myopic.

Agreed with your post. No qualms with it. But again, I don't think anybody was saying the rules of the Paleo diet are the ones to live by. Not all grains are the same, no doubt. Legumes affect different people differently. Same with dairy, and dairy varies widely on quality and source. So it's hard to be too dogmatic about…

I myself am not arguing for the actual paleo diet, just that the premises are certainly better than the SAD. With respect to legumes, dairy (esp full fat dairy from grass fed animals) and grains..... Thoughts actually vary on this. The poster (not OP) was referring to primal, which is more permissive in this regard.…

Because that's not what killed paleolithic man. Infant mortality, infection, trauma from predators tend to kill you sooner than the above conditions. Especially infant mortality no? Those are what killed paleolithic man. We are kind of protected from those things to a larger degree this day and age. And the lack of those…

I don't think that the poster was saying that there isn't a variety in hunter gatherer diets. But the commonality between them all (despite widely varying foods and macro ratios) is whole single ingredient real food. That's the point. Yes, hunter gatherers have other problems, but not diabetes, Alzheimer's, cancer,…