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Here's where you need to be careful as the science on saturated fat and sodium is not settled. The traits in those foods you consider unhealthy are core to my healthy diet - over half of it is usually saturated fat and 4000-5000mg a day in sodium.

Evaluate your need for sweet tasting things? If you have a long term goal to avoid blood sugar spikes you may be better off cultivating savoury rather than sweet foods - it will be more productive and less frustrating as the artificial sweeteners are expensive and/or taste like crap. Sorry, not what you asked!

This is spoken from the perspective of an athlete/builder using low carb for body comp and isn't really that relevant to general population seeking a better way of eating long term, is it?

This is one of the biggest pro's for me. Eating very low carb eliminates thoughts of food and food seeking behaviour. I used to feel like I was without self discipline. If you are eating the right food for your body there is very little self discipline needed and it is far easier to make good eating decisions on a regular…

Fact, it works from well to lifesaving for some people. Good, not a fad. If you want to see the current fad just peruse the grocery store for the mind numbing quantity of products with the fat stripped out of them. Just try finding a simple yogurt with its normal level of fat! Low fat was a diet fad that evolved into…

If glucose is so beneficial, why does your body get rid of it as fast as possible?

Changing what you eat is a big adjustment. It took me a bit over a month till eating became routine after dropping my carb consumption to less than 50 grs a day. Give it time, you are revising a lifetime of habits.

My frequent headaches went away. Does that count?

Have you read Dr Wahls? She has MS and developed a ketogenic diet for MS.

What kind of rough time? There is a bunch to learn and that takes time. Log and learn. You don't have to be perfect, just make progress!

So what do you think about 1200 calories a day? I don't think added sugars have a place there, but here on mfp people are told to not worry about added without respect to total calories available. I think that is garbage advice.

Our perspectives are so different. It does not look like you are sedentary or eating at a deficit or eating more calories than you are burning. For someone eating at a deficit, they are eating 70-90% of their required energy and micronutrients. I think it pretty irresponsible to suggest that deficit eaters replace some…

Most of what I chose to eat is chosen for its contribution to micronutrients that I have a hard time getting enough of. I'm not perfect, but am trying to get nutrients from food itself. It takes work to find affordable, nutritious, tasty food that fulfills daily needs. I don't understand promoting added sugar as food - it…

I love eating sugar and am not crazy over bacon. Fats are required, sugar is not. I think saturated fats are the better choice for my fat intake as I prefer my fats 'nature-made'.

No one said that but you. On the other side, let's not pretend that added sugar is some kind of required or necessary nutrient. Added sugar is pretty much something that we eat for fun, not nutritional needs. It is completely expendable with zero negative effects.

Good science does not expire. Bad science does not expire, but it sure does get discredited and ignored eventually.

Salt. No contest!

My thoughts? Don't read 13 year old academic texts. The info represents 20 year old information. You are missing a full generation of research.

I'll most likely continue very low carb for life. Yesterday I was stuck at work and resorted to the only available food (high carb) and promptly remembered why I'm eating low carb because of how crappy I felt. It is easy to stay low carb when the punishment for eating carbs in quantity is immediate. Minimizing carbs makes…

You can set your goals at whatever level you prefer. Sounds like you are below mfp default levels. Change 'em or ignore! My home>goals

Do you mean this thread? The thread that was caused by a reaction against all the "there are no bad foods" instruction that bombards anyone who dares judge a poor little defenseless food item here on MFP?

I also really don't care if anyone else has good or bad foods, I do. We can each do what works for us. It is a personal judgement of value and by its very nature is only the business of the person making the judgement. Requiring others to avoid judging foods is crossing a meaningful boundry.

It is late and I'm tired, would you mind clarifying for which side you are making the above point?

Key word there is symptomatic. Also from same page - Magnesium Intakes and Status Dietary surveys of people in the United States consistently show that intakes of magnesium are lower than recommended amounts. An analysis of data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) of 2005–2006 found that a…

yep! :)

I've never read anywhere that it is hard to be deficient in magnesium, in fact completely the opposite is said routinely. Where are you getting your info on magnesium deficiency as I could not locate anything stating that it is hard to be deficient in !magnesium.

Essentially, yes, there are bad foods and good foods. Many of the foods on your 'bad' list above are on my 'good' list and that is no problem as it is just a simplified label based on my food values and priorities. I lost a bunch of weight and improved health and function by finally correctly identifying my personal bad…

What are you eating?

yikes. Please reread the science on nutritional needs. You do not require sugar.

I'm hung up on the perils of correlation, it makes for silly decision-making. Ketogenic diets can easily work with fruit & veggie intake, along with a bunch of other natural foods containing phytochemicals. Anyone who cares about complete nutrition can make keto as nutritional as is important to them. It is not any…