MarkusDarwath Member

No. At the moment, doing physical work is my only regular exercise. The manufacturer's waist size is not a fair estimation. They are "relaxed fit" and I'm pretty sure I've stretched them out quite a bit. My actual measurement at the waist band (taken just now in just underwear) is 43" and my widest point hip measurement is…

So the study showed BMI is a poor screening tool for individuals because it will miss a bunch of people who should be flagged, as well as flagging many who shouldn't be. If anything, the higher numbers of over-fat people with "healthy" BMI supports my position that BMI charts promote low muscle mass, because if BMI says…

You don't get it. I'm -not- a genetic freak. The invalidity of BMI as a personal indicator is because there is a large percentage of the population who are outside of BMI predicted norms, without being freaks.

There is if someone is presenting reasoning against the generally accepted postion, and the argument in favor amounts to frequently repeated platitudes attributed to the "experts" without presenting the reasoning and data in support. The data in support of BMI shows it has a reasonably good correlation with overall health…

Spam is pork. Nothing remotely vegetarian about it.

15% body fat -is- lean, that's my goal. It's muscle mass that I don't intend to sacrifice. "skinny" to me is low fat and low muscle, like distance runners. It's not a look I like.

I don't expect or want to look 'ripped'. I do plan to look 'solid'.

You keep saying that, yet the implication would be that I'm already very close to max FFM. I just don't buy that when my forearm measurement is only 13" (least fat part of my body aside from wrist and fingers) and I know for a fact I've got a lot of room to grow in strength. 15 pounds more muscle spread over my whole body…

You can't *kitten* BF% using waist size without any reference to height (at a minimum), there's just nothing to base it on. Visually speaking, I look a lot more like the 35% pics in your link than the 40%. Actually, in the one group I look more like the 30% guy, as he visibly looks fatter than the one labeled 35%

And BMI defenders base their claims on appeal to authority. That's not exactly convincing either.

A keto diet without actual meat is going to be mostly eggs and spinach.

I am not unusually muscular, yet I have mathematically demonstrated more than once that a better-than-average BF goal of 15% still puts me well above the very lower limit of "overweight" for my height according to BMI. I do have broad shoulders and a disproportionately long torso (that latter is a factor I had overlooked),…

The article you linked does not support the idea that BIA is less accurate than BMI, except that in some cases it doesn't accurately show trends in fat loss. BMI, as several have pointed out, is not even a measure of body fat, so it really can't even be compared as a means of determining body composition.

Unless that "vast majority" are only those within one standard deviation of mean, in which case your "vast majority" is just over 68%. Yes, that is still a sizeable majority, but if the metric is less than reliable for 32% of the populace then it absolutely should not be used as a standard go-to. No method should become a…

Fair enough. I'm not going to try nitpicking details about quality of the base studies or the aggregation of studies across varying population groups. Given that aggregation studies tend to balance out flaws in component studies, one would have to basically re-do the meta-study to assess the validity of their conclusions,…

Sorry if I'm pooing on your joke by being too literal here.. muscular asymmetry is normal due to left-right dominance. Some people might not know that.

Looks like it doesn't really separate muscle out from other lean mass. Bummer. Stuck with BIA estimation on that point (assuming BIA BF% matches the dxa).

Seemingly, he's not that rare if you use MFP as a sampling, tho.

That's not very helpful to the people who are within BMI but over fat anyway.

I've actually just about made up my mind to pop for a dxa scan. I'm in a college town and the university offers it for $50. I'm not real clear tho on whether dxa can give me a breakdown between muscle and other lean mass. I'm hoping it can.

Statistically speaking, most people -don't- get a particular benefit from being under 25BMI. The actual cutoff for increased risk is 30 for those without other health risk indicators, or 27-28 for those who do have other indicators (such as high blood pressure, glucose or cholesterol.) The "overweight" category has no…

My pics are 21 pounds ago at 281, I'm at 260 now, but still around 34%. To get down to a 24.4 BMI I would have to get all the way down to 185. To reach that without losing lean mass I'd have to get all the way down to 7.5 percent body fat, which I have no desire to do. To hit 185 at my goal body fat of 15%, there is no way…

To add to my previous post. I didn't say that people at the top end of "normal" BMI are categorically all too skinny. What I said was that people at an average healthy BF% quite often have to be "too skinny", meaning low muscle mass in order to also fit BMI. Apparently this applies more often to men than women, as "normal"…

Ok, I had not seen pictures of her prior to the advertisement in Sports Illustrated. IIRC, that was in the swimsuit issue the year before they actually put her in as a swimsuit model. I will agree that she looks fat in the top pic. But still smokin' hot.

Ok, let me qualify my statement. At a body fat percentage that is simultaneously healthy, attainable and desirable to most people, they would have to unnecessarily sacrifice muscle mass to get their BMI under 25. And I say unnecessarily in that there is no medical benefit to doing so. And that is the huge flaw of BMI. It…

Interesting, regarding Ashley Grahm. At 5'9" and 170 pounds (according to both bodymeasurements.org and celebheightweight.com) her BMI is 25.1... barely "overweight" and not even close to "obese" if you accept BMI. Do any of you calling her fat know her actual body fat percentage? The only thing I found was a search result…

Scarlett Johansson is pretty clearly more lean/muscular than Marilyn Monroe was. I don't know that too many people would call either one of them either skinny or overweight. Comparing two people of the same height, if one has less fat and more muscle than the other, ten pounds difference isn't going to be terribly…

But we weren't talking about what people actually look like or the average actual weight. The point was regarding perceptions about what a "normal" weight looks like. If perceptions have actually shifted so much that the majority think a healthy weight looks overly skinny, then celebrities should be larger as a group,…

You're right, they are not, but they are pretty representative of what people -think- they should look like.