MarkusDarwath Member

It's vegan... I wouldn't classify it as food.

Then why bother with it when there are other methods that are just as cheap and easy?

As I just pointed out, there are other almost free methods of assessing body fat that are more accurate than BMI. I highlighted a very relevant point here. BMI was originally developed for populational studies, not for individual use. Using it to assess individual health is a misapplication of the formula.

This is true, and yet it's still more accurate than BMI. Or if you don't trust BIA there are a myriad of other formulas more accurate than BMI where you can take some measurements and type them into a web site. Height to waist ratio, and the formulas the military branches use when BMI fails and they "go to the tape" both…

Right, he's a good normal size for his height, other than having much less fat than most. Lean means "not fat". You can be lean at a low muscle mass or at a very high muscle mass. The standard presented by the BMI charts promotes an "ideal" of normal to low body fat combined with low muscle mass. There is no health benefit…

Amazon can bring a unit to your door that will give you a better body fat analysis than BMI for under $40.

I'm looking at his proportions in comparison with his frame size. Does he have more muscle than the average person, definitely, but not in such a bulk that BMI should give such a distorted assessment if it were reasonably accurate. He does not have a body builder's mass. The muscle that he has just looks like more than it…

The whole point is, in reference to the question posed in the OP, BMI is not worth the time to look at in the first place. It is less accurate than bio-impedance, which in itself is not very accurate, but it is readily accessible. Actual body fat is one of the best indicators of healthy vs unhealthy weight. Even a poor…

Already partly addressed. There's an older guy I was picturing. Also an olympic runner, may not be a sprinter. I have no idea what his name is. But anyway, his muscles are clearly more conditioned than most people, but mass wise I see it as completely appropriate to his frame, and he's very lean. I don't think he's enough…

I don't think I'm an outlier. I think BMI promotes an under-muscled body composition.

I was picturing the wrong guy apparently, I don't follow sports. But in any case, he is very lean and NOT carrying that much in the way of extra muscle. If he were actually at 25% body fat he would definitely look borderline overweight. In other words, your own example has demonstrated BMI as a crappy estimator of body fat.

I mentioned it previously. I did try the others and they still gave me a total weight that was over 200 pounds at 15% body fat, where the BMI charts say I would be a 24.4 at 185 pounds. When a calculation shows that I have to shed functional muscle in order to reach a level where I'm considered to border on "overweight",…

Lies and/or incompetence, take your pick. Govt in general can not be trusted with anything. Especially when talking about all these alphabet agencies who's existence is not even Constitutionally authorized.

Again, not a conspiracy, group-think. And low carb is very much counter to the "establishment" position. The agencies that push BMI still favor the low fat, high carb model.

I never claimed I didn't. I was merely pointing out that using your belt size as an indicator is not going to be accurate if your belly is larger than your belt. If I assessed myself based on my pants size, it would suggest I'm in pretty decent shape, which clearly is not the case.

And that guy is seriously -skinny-! A guy that lean works out to barely at the top end of "healthy" weight according to BMI, and you don't see a flaw in the metric? I mean, he's gotta be what, no more than 13% body fat, if that?

Yes, but I highly doubt it's 50 pounds over.

yes, at my current weight, BMI does happen to come out pretty close to my actual body fat percentage. If I get to my goal weight (220) without losing any lean mass, which would still leave me at the very low end of average muscle percentage for a male, my actual Body Fat Percentage would work out to just under 22%, where…

I'm saying I am obese and working on it, and BMI is completely irrelevant. Body Fat Percentage is a useful tool.

How long did it take you? That info may help the OP.

One caveat about the thing with the belt, it can depend on how you wear your pants. The waist measurement for assessing body composition is supposed to be taken around the navel, whereas most men wear the 'waist' of their pants more toward the top of the hips. I wear size 36 pants, but my actual waist measurement is 47.5.…

2 pounds per week is too aggressive at your size. The problem with going below 1200 calories is it becomes difficult, if not impossible to get in all the nutrients you need, even for a tiny person. Having to slow down and wait it out sucks, but smaller people just can't safely drop weight as fast as bigger folks.

She is a short, small framed runner. I'm a tall, large framed construction worker. There are differences in type of musculature as well as bone structure. Ancestry may have something to do with it as well. My wife's friend is of Persian descent where my genetic background is north central European (German/Dutch). As I've…

Yeah, that would definitely be an individual thing to *kitten*. I don't happen to have the cankle problem. For sure not the wrist as my arms are the most lean parts on my body. I'd be ok with it if my whole body looked like them :)

According to which formula in that link? The one that accounts for frame size gave me 50 - 60 pounds more than the purely height based ones.

My plan is to begin recomping once I reach 230. When I reach my half-way point (256) I will be starting with body-weight and HIIT training, then go hard core on the strength training at 230. When I said being under 200 pounds would require lowering my standards, I meant that I would literally have to lose existing muscle…

Two federal agencies and the UN, there's a real model for trustworthiness. (do I need to tag the sarcasm?)

I don't believe it to be pushing the envelope at all. There are three different means of calculations in the link you posted, the first two only look at height and ignore frame size, both of them still give me a total body weight over 200 pounds. The third one accounts for frame size and gives me a max muscular weight as…

I guess the real question would be, what portion of the nutrition "establishment" who puts out all these rules and guidelines are vegans, and how much influence do they have over the group as a whole? There has been a definite bias against meat, especially red meat, and exalting the idea of a "plant-based diet" for many…