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Right, that is what I was referring to, insulin insensitivity (and sugar sensitivity), my bad on the misappropriation. I read some articles recently about how a high fructose diet during development of the fetus can negatively affect lifelong endocrine, appetite, feeding behavior and fat burning/distribution. (Goran MI,…

I gave up on this discussion when I realized it was basically one of a few arguments: 1. People who are sensitive to sugar (for a variety of reasons) who were claiming it should be avoided. 2. People who are not/less sensitive to sugar who were claiming it's harmless in every way. I didn't really see anyone who was…

I'm sure there is some science backing this as well, but despite trying, I rarely hear of anyone losing any weight on a high carb diet (and don't know anyone who has either). I do know a lot of friends who have had a similar experience to me on the lower carb approach. Is it possible that there is some hunger suppression…

This x 1000. Couldn't agree more. I know the science on sugar will eventually reveal the truth that I already feel every day. There are effects, 100 calories of sugar affects me entirely differently than 100 calories of chicken. And it's not just the taste ... I think I like the taste of bacon far more than sugar. But the…

Yes, I have had similar discussions. It always blew my mind that people who couldn't stop smoking even though they wanted to, would also make fun of overweight people for lack of dietary control. My father quit smoking overnight when he was about 35. He just decided to. It was painful for a week, but then he was fine. My…

All of what you said is true, but you left out the part about how these were only recently proven true, after being denied (or hidden) for decades before coming out. Some scientists claimed that smoking was causing cancer 40 years before the government admitted it, and even that was in phases (first it was only when…

Mmm. Bacon.

Thanks. I have read about that as well. I sent that link to someone a few weeks ago. I do think that carbs and sugar have a larger negative impact on appetite. Maybe not for all, but for me, when I went low carb within 2 weeks my cravings went away. Sometimes I would realize it was 2 PM and I hadn't even had lunch. When I…

I'm going to hope this wasn't meant to be as much of an insult as it came across as. Of course, I have thought about that many times. But then I look at all of my life habits. As a father, with gambling, drinking, exercise, diet (outside of sugar), with my work ethic, my finances. Discipline and self control in abundance,…

Heh, I know this was a jest, but I think this is why many people trust their own experiences and perceptions above what they hear reported. We know in America that the sugar/tobacco/energy industries can change the science any time they want to, since they run the show. There isn't a lot of motivation to call out sugar and…

Wasn't the discussion about how for some, eating high carb and sugars make it harder to keep calorie consumption in check? I think most would agree that only eating 800 calories of honey per day would cause you to lose weight.

Well, a lot I have read talks about the effects of insulin on weight gain and loss. Saying high insulin levels make it harder to burn fat cells with the same energy expenditure, and the opposite on lower insulin levels. This might be what they are referring to. I'm not a molecular scientist (just a computer scientist), and…

For me personally, I can tell you that sugar makes me high. Literally. I get a hard buzz when I eat sugar. It makes me so very very very happy while I am eating it. I usually feel terrible later, but at the time of consumption, I like it more than being drunk from alcohol or other options. Since I was a young child, eating…

I guess it depends on how you mean that - and perhaps this is the core of this discussion. When you say "calories from carbohydrates make you fatter than calories from protein", I would say I agree. But that's because I am referring to all of the details that go along with it, and the reactions. Such as how protein burns…

I understand. I feel bad that it has devolved. I joined in only when I saw some comments that I felt were hitting on the tone you reference. I'm sure I was part of the problem (as one who thought they were part of the solution). In the end, this boils down to people being convinced of their opinions, most of which are…

OK, then what does the phrase a calorie is not a calorie mean? Does anyone actually think it means that a calorie is not an actual calorie?

Super respectful tone btw, much appreciated. I know what you are referring to, and certain people are certainly genetically predisposed to it. I did mention the "pre-existing disease" as a caveat. But your point is valid. I believe all of this is really genetics ... including how sugar will impact each individual person.

Are you using addiction as a phrase too? What about sugar bring addictive as cocaine? Phrase or scientific statement?[/quote] That wasn't my statement, it was from a scientific conclusion/study. It didn't discuss the withdrawal differences, but did talk about the pleasure response being stronger.

Do you think sugar can cause people to be more prone to overeat?

I'd walk away from the debate if people were saying that sugar when limited was not so bad. But there are people who are claiming that sugar is no different than any other macro-nutrient. Others are equating minimal natural forming sugars in the body required for survival to refined sugar cane or HCFS. We have sodium in…

Sigh ... wow. My bad. No one uses the phrase "cold fusion" even though it can happen at room temperature. A "Blue Shift" can be any wavelength, even red. But let's focus on the grammar, and not the science.

I still stand behind what I said above. I never said that sugar was the only and direct cause of T2D. I said try seeing if kids will develop T2D without processed carbs and sugar in their diet. They wont, because the dopamine response and cravings will be in check. With the exception of people with pre-existing disease,…

Agreed, but that works both ways. Wine & chocolate = healthy! is one of the biggest offenders. Smoking doesn't cause cancer sells as well, to those who smoke. "sugar is harmless" works well with people who don't like it much, or who like it a lot but don't want to give it up. Wikipedia has a great page on all of the types…

Eating 100 calories of two different macro-nutrients can have a different effect on the body. That is all. Insulin generation alone (and it's impact on the pancreas and other organs) is a factor. So is how many calories are burned from digesting the macro-nutrient. So is how that macro-nutrient feeds various tissues (or…

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I mean, scientific studies have already shown the power of sugar in terms of brain chemistry reaction: Overall, this research has revealed that sugar and sweet reward can not only substitute to addictive drugs, like cocaine, but can even be more rewarding and attractive. At the…

Fine, although you are out, I will reply anyway. Sorry, the phrase "a calorie is not a calorie" obviously doesn't mean what it says. It means that two foods of the same calorie amount can have a very different impact on the body. The phrase is just a phrase. But if you are going to focus on the grammar (of this well known…

This couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, food companies actually add salt in addition to sugar, to hide the sweetness factor while the brain still gets the sugar reward. There is a reason that there is a TON of sugar in a jar of Prego sauce. They aren't winning you over with quality ingredients or authentic taste,…

You are saying this despite knowing that a calorie is not just a calorie, right? The sugar industry wants us to think that 100 calories of sugar is identical to 100 calories of broccoli. But that just isn't accurate at all. I also do not think it should be banned. But I think the industry needs to be watched closely. It's…

I hear you, but without going into long detailed stories, my oldest has always been completely addicted to sugar. Like seeking it out in the middle of the night (3 AM, breaking into an unopened bag of nestle morsels), stealing East/Halloween candy from siblings (despite knowing that if caught she would get in big trouble),…

Agreed. In some ways, it's better to think back to days when you were a child, perhaps without preconceived notions, biases, and adult anxieties. When I gave my oldest child food with added sugar for the first time in any real abundance, it was her first birthday, and we let her have a piece of birthday cake. She at first…