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Interesting how you invoke "collective rights" to deprive individuals of their right to make an informed choice about what they do or do not put into their bodies. At one time, it was thought to be ideal to grow one's own food--perhaps that was when no one was trying to push the "collective rights" agenda. What has the…

So...does that mean that, when there is clear wrongdoing on the part of the pharmaceutical firms (as has been reported on over and over), that we're to just shrug our shoulders and say to their victims, "Welcome to the human condition"?

In the past, vulnerable children were schooled at home and they were kept away from other ill children. Those children are vulnerable to all kinds of infectious disease--not just ones for which we have vaccines. Financial support should be given to the parents of those children so that one or the other parent could stay…

^^^THIS^^^

I agree that it is probably a better alternative than injecting the infant. In the past, because of the threat of infectious disease, people would limit contact of outsiders with infants--particularly during the first six months, once they understood the role of microbes in causing disease. This is a bit off the subject…

Well, maybe you should worry just a little about the FDA, since they cooperated in the coverup of the Bayer scandal which allowed Bayer to unload their HIV-tainted hemophiliac drug on European, Asian and Latin American countries. It could just as easily have been Australia.

I hope you are not suggesting that the pertussis vaccine would do a thing in a one-month old infant?

Mmm--yeah, and getting the SV40 virus was a real blessing when the polio epidemic was already over? (You can read all about the SV40 contamination further up in the thread.)

I already said several times in this thread that I am not an anti-vaxer. But I am in favor of an informed public who insists that the corporations who make and distribute vaccine have the highest quality standards that do not give way in the face of the profit-motive. I am also in favor of actually telling people the truth…

Hmmm-TB, eh? Here, have a look at what Health Canada has to say on the subject: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/health-canada-unsure-when-tb-vaccine-will-be-available-1.1144593 "...Health Canada says it is unsure when it will get more BCG vaccine for tuberculosis. The vaccine was voluntarily recalled last week by the…

And how would you know how old I am? I have stated before in this thread that I am not actually anti-vaccine. But I am pro-examining all sides of the issue and using SCIENCE to do so. It is a FACT (reported in legitimate media outlets like the Toronto Star) that Baxter sent out a sample of H3N2 seasonal flu virus (spiked…

Science is no longer what it used to be. It has been politicized. Dollars go a long way toward buying loyalty among scientists, politicians, and "professionals" of every stripe. I had a scientist once admit to me that, for the right amount of grant money, many scientists would fudge results to have them support what the…

And yet another insult? I agree with you on the internet being entertaining. Would you consider PubMed an unreliable source? How about the CDC and the National Institutes of Health? In this thread, I have posted articles from all three. You are out of line.

If your only purpose here is to hurl insults, I suggest you go somewhere else in the forums, S.O.B. You have ignored all of the scientific articles from reputable sources that I have posted in this thread. :laugh: back atcha'!

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LOL--I thought the same thing.

"...However disease when it occurs in vaccinated people is almost always MUCH less severe than when occurring in unvaccinated people... " Yes--and that is part of the confounding problem. The real danger of pertussis is for those who are quite young--it can be lethal in a baby. The fact that older children in the family…

Even if every adult or older child in the family had been vaccinated (which is unlikely), that is no assurance that the baby would not have contracted the bordetella p. infection. The best insurance against infection in newborns is breast feeding---the mother's immunity is passed through her breastmilk. And that is the…

I have a friend who got the shingles vaccine and still got shingles. She was very angry with her physician who assured her that she would not get the shingles again after taking the vaccine.

There are many things which influence the "calories out" part of the equation. If you are certain that your intake is exactly what you've said, then you must assume that your output is lower than the estimated TDEE. The causes can be many. I would start by getting my doc to check my mineral levels as deficiencies are VERY…

Ah--but the peak of mortality was late in the following winter. Interestingly, the death toll in South Africa (the fifth largest outbreak in the world) peaked in October--the end of their winter, when vitamin D levels would have been at their lowest.

"...It's disturbing how these viruses were allowed to mingle. But I wouldn't call it a violation of public trust because the vaccine was not for public use. It was sent to research labs for further testing where it killed the ferrets. The process WORKED, the problem was caught and the public was safe. There are many, many…

The flu shot that you get from Bayer or Baxter Pharmaceutical could be laced with avian flu (60% kill rate) or HIV. Both of which has happened recently. Read about it in my post above. ETA: Also, cytokine storm is likely caused by a vitamin D deficiency. Vitamin D down-regulates an over-active immune response. p.s. Tamiflu…

I think the point is that it WAS used before 1997, in spite of the fact that a much safer alternative was available for $9 more. It is hardly "fearmongering" to point out the gross violations of the public trust that have been committed again and again by the pharmaceutical industry. As recently as a couple of years ago, a…

As I wrote before, being exposed to children who actually GET chicken pox is the best assurance against shingles. There has been a steep rise in shingles cases among adults (and it is not only the elderly who are affected among the adult population) since the advent of wide administration of the chicken pox vaccine.

Money Magazine did an investigation into vaccine safety in the 1990's. This is part of their findings: "Among MONEY’S disturbing findings we learned that DPT shots caused brain damage at the rate of one case for every 62,000 fully immunized kids. The shots also kill at least two to four people a year, according to a…

:laugh: ETA: Tell that to the millions who were infected with SV40 from the polio vaccine: "Simian virus 40 (SV40) is a DNA virus isolated in 1960 from contaminated polio vaccines, that induces mesotheliomas, lymphomas, brain and bone tumors, and sarcomas, including osteosarcomas, in hamsters. These same tumor types have…

So-called "herd immunity" is false assurance. You can see from the example of the pertussis vaccine that all is not as it purports to be. Your best route is to try to improve your child's immunity (and there are many ways to do this). The second line of defense is to protect him/her from being around others who are ill…

That number is put out by the pharmaceutical firms and is somewhat deceptive. The immunity has a range, which is what the estimates represent--against a specific strain. But, at any one time, there are multiple numbers of viruses going around and the influenza vaccine for that year only covers a tiny number of them (if…

Actually, the best insurance against shingles is repeated exposure to the varicella zoster virus (the virus that causes both chicken pox and shingles) as would be the case if children naturally acquired the disease. There has been a huge increase in cases of shingles among the elderly--likely because children are now…