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I agree with a lot of your points. There is no question there was slowed metabolism, they may gain the weight back, and the diet and level of weight training may not have been optimal. Perhaps this diet and exercise program was not ideal. But keep in mind that the petulant acting 3 year olds ITT were demanding a scientific…

You seem to answer questions,but simply asking more questions. Or seem to have trouble staying on topic and constantly changing the subject. Tedious. If you want to start acting like and adult and have a dialogue that’s fine. But your impersonation of a biology teacher is getting old. This will be the last time I will be…

There would be many factors not exclusive of dietary factors that would influence lean mass loss. Metabolism, body composition, genetics. Carbohydrates, fats and proteins and caloric intake and expenditure would all be additional factors. Food, drinks, water, stress, and sleep would be additional factors. Or perhaps you…

Is English your native language? I literally have no idea what you are rambling about and what it has to do with this thread? Who is starving??? And what is blah, blah, blah???

You would have to assess the overall impact of the chemicals that he ingested, quantities, cycling and what would be attributtable to his physique in conjunction with diet, nutrition, and training. Also I believe he stated he took Test, HGH, and insulin. Not sure about steroids or the specific doses of them. But that is…

I am glad that you are seeking this knowledge. It shows me that you are willing to learn and listen. That is progress from your prior attitude. So I am sure that if you make the effort you can seek the answer you are searching if you read 12 more studies tonight. I can review and we can discuss tomorrow as I absolutely…

Actually if I would want advice about diet, nutrition, or strength training I would most certainly refer and take the advice of Dorian Yates over the internet guy who read twelve studies last night.

No I responded that I am undergoing a process myself. Are you looking for my specific regimen?

Ah the dreaded spelling police. When all else fails and coherent points are hard to come by, spelling is a nice fall back position. Congratulations, it probably the most important contribution you made to the discussion.

Not sure where you are grabbing these conclusions that I lack knowledge about my dietary regimen. I could share that with you? Or are you looking for more studies on nutrients and LBM? You seem to want to constantly change subjects when confused. And the study I cited proved you were wrong. I know it stings but you'll get…

I admire studies...............

Not sure if this even qualifies as a coherent point. 1- I didn't starve myself 2- I have said people can do what they want 3- I made decisions that worked for me and shared them in the face of much hate 4- I have made no excuses 5- I spent 5 minutes of my life trying to respond to someone who made a rambling post of…

As you can see, I am a work in progress trying to find that balance for myself. Trial and error. I am not there yet. Gonna go do a little cardio and then an errand. Bye.............

We agree that diet and training have a "huge impact" on ratio of lean mass to fat mass loss. We also agree that I met the challenge and cited a study that concludes "Thus, we showed that a substantial loss of FFM is not an obligatory consequence of massive weight loss". And I agree that a fat person should structure his or…

Nope they have a huge impact. Where are you inferring that from?

High Intensity Weight Training. Low sets, low reps, taking the muscle to complete failure on the final working set. Sometimes with assisted reps or rest-pause sets. And then plenty of rest so that body part completely recuperates and grows. Stress- Rest- Grow. I don't know if you can increase LBM on a calorie deficit.…

Nice try, but won't work. I never said there was no muscle loss. Here is my quote: "Most of us are too fat to burn muscle in any significant amounts". Here is the conclusion of the study: "Thus, we showed that a substantial loss of FFM is not an obligatory consequence of massive weight loss". Agree?

In a way. Under activity is a beeach. On the mind and body. As there is a strong psychological component to weight gain. I always enjoyed working out and it kept me fit and motivated beyond the whole body image thing. And you are correct. Nobody ever forced me to stuff a Twinkie down my gullet. On me. But if I wasn't…

That appears to be the point of the study. You can't pick and choose how much FFM to sacrifice for the weight loss. At least this group could not. But you would agree that HIT weight training can increase LBM? If yes, there would appear to be a strong likelihood that you could reduce that 18% loss. You could concede that…

If I were obese and wanted to lose 150 pounds at the cost of 27 lbs of FFM. Or stay 350 and keep the 27 pounds of FFM it an easy choice, given all of the other potential health benefits. Hell, the guy might even avoid a potential heart attack, stroke, diabetes etc. Bye bye 27 pounds of FFM..... easy choice.

And your MFPs king of straw man arguments. Just skip over the scientific study I linked because it refutes your point though. I gained weight due to overeating and lack of activity. Should I post it a third time for you?

Typical internet debate. Demand a study, when the study refutes your point, its useless, and should be rejected as "broscience". Classic!!! BTW there is no evidence to indicate I am losing 18% LBM. Unless you happen to know my BFI and my body recomposition. It was a group of obese people in the study. You understand that?…

The study was comprised of obese people who lost one third their body weight. If I were in THEIR shoes its an easy call for me. The study does not deal with leaner individuals.

Because I did not work out. And I never said "it's not necessary to keep lean mass"? I think just the opposite, Do you have a reading problem?

I really was not arguing that. I merely stated that I was very very surprised to see that my RMR was significantly higher than I anticipated. And higher than the online calculators were estimating. But I never did have a pre diet RMR test so I can only surmise based on what I know about my body. The studies and experts…

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And research is comprised of more than just clinical studies and papers. Researchers in various disciplines go out into the field (anthropology) to observe and analyze various cultures and subgroups outside a double blind controlled study. It is just a scientific and relevant as a clinical trial. There is a significant…

I said that the loss in LBM would be insignificant. Think about it. If someone is obese, the last thing they need to fear is a small loss to muscle mass/LBM when you have heart problems, coronary disease, diabetes, gaut, liver, kidney, and joint pain to worry about. A little bit of muscle loss to an obese person should not…

Well, the Bodygem is considered quite accurate. There is a study posted that answers that question. AS for me, my metabolism was 20% higher than most males the clinician that I saw at the hospital typically meets with. And since I am 50 years old and weigh 217 that should not be the case. Heavier, younger, obese people…