pennyllayne

Not olive oil, vegetable oil (sunflower, rapeseed etc). Olives are a fruit ;). And I'd never say to put tons on...1 tablespoon is more than sufficient. I also didn't say anything about oil on salad destroying nutrients - that was in relation to overcooking vegetables and using oil with them. The health part comes in with…

Some are, others aren't. Vitamin C is destroyed in cooking, but lycopene is activated by cooking. It depends on which nutrients are in which vegetables. Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting you should eat all your foods raw, but overcooking does more harm than good.

900-1000 calories is not a binge.

Cooking destroys nutrients. Vegetable oil causes oxidative damage in the body, reducing the effects of any nutrients in the vegetables. Please, it's not rocket science.

And your point is? Overeating is overeating. Bingeing is quite another thing. People generally don't "binge" on healthy foods, but yes they most certainly can and do overeat on them.

For starters the TEF is not the only thing I was referring to when I talked about how our body processes different foods. You'll see from that study that they note that leptin and thyroid levels were highest on a high carb diet. And leptin and thyroid levels affect rates of weight loss. Secondly, I'm assuming your…

No my original statement was that people don't generally binge on healthy food. I stand by that. People rarely "binge" in public for that matter. I think you are getting confused with the meaning of the word binge.

You gonna binge on that all day long and eat thousands upon thousands of calories?

You're confusing health with weight loss. Going over your calories doesn't make you unhealthy. Being fat makes you unhealthy. So eating that one tablespoon of olive oil might make an ever so slight dent in your weight loss progress, but it will positively affect your health. And what's wrong with planning your meals to…

No I didn't say you can't eat what you like and lose weight. I'm getting pretty bored of the whole argument though so if you can't read the posts and follow a conversation I'm not going to repeat myself.

Yeah well I wasn't claiming low carb is the way to go for everyone, was I? I was showing that different diets affect everyone differently. I did not link to it to show anything about weight loss, just that those diets were changing each person's RMR and TDEE because that's what's being contested here. And yes, the tables…

Were you "binging" on that salad?? Were you uncontrollably binging on a lb of steak? Come on.

Mayonnaise contains highly processed vegetable oil. That is not healthy. So if you're gorging on coleslaw you are not binging on healthy foods. You can do what you want to your salads, that doesn't mean it's healthy if it's 300 calories of fat and causing inflammation in your body.

Yes actually I did need to get rid of those foods to lose weight because they wreak havoc on my blood sugar and make me feel like crap and they do not keep hunger at bay. The highly rewarding nature of them made the emotional attachment with food even stronger and I could not lower my food intake whilst they were in my…

A salad that is drowning in vegetable oil or mayonnaise is far less healthy than one made at home with a little olive oil. What an absolutely pointless argument. I said people don't binge on healthy foods such as a home made meal with healthy fats, vegetables and meat. I don't think at any point I referred to "healthy"…

It makes no sense? Really? Have you ever read up about nutrients that are destroyed in the process of cooking? Or that eating foods that are full of carcinogens are worse for you than when cooked lightly? Shame that people can be so ignorant.

I don't know what your point is anymore. I did not say that emotional attachment means you can't create a deficit of lose weight. And as I said, I don't know why it would be unsustainable to take eating ice cream from once a day to once a week. Honestly, if it's unsustainable to do that then you have a real bad…

:D Thanks for that. Made my day.

Yes and I provided a link to a study showing that the effects are not minimal and in some cases very significant. And I'll say it again, I don't know what your definition of weight loss is if it doesn't refer to fat or muscle as both these things affect weight and I also gave you reasons as to why weight loss would not be…

How is saying that science supports what I say a "I'm smarter than you" argument? I've taken the time to do the research and find out the facts and this is your best way to refute what I've said? try again.

Cooking methods and what's added to the food determine it's nutritional and health giving value. Vegetables that are charred and drowning in vegetable oil are no longer the health giving foods they were when they were fresh.

Oh please. I've explained the whole thing about tastebuds and how we are designed to like the taste of food so we eat enough to fuel our bodies. When ghrelin is elevated because of HUNGER, it makes food taste better. Have you never noticed that food tastes better when you're really hungry? That's a physiological thing, not…

And your point is? Different foods affect how many calories you expend. Fact. That's it. What I said about the ice cream related to emotional attachment.

And I don't believe they'd be serving anything healthy in those places either ;)

Well most people don't binge on healthy food, but generally the choices are highly refined carbohydrates and sugar - highly rewarding foods. My definition of emotional attachment is correct. I have an emotional attachment to food myself so I'm well aware of how it works and I have researched it. Enjoying your meal when…

Enjoying your meal is an emotional attachment now?? No. An emotional attachment is eating when you are not hungry, not being able to stop, eating foods that are highly rewarding. A bit of meat, fat and veg is enjoyable for many when eating out of hunger but it is not highly rewarding and does not make you want to eat and…

Ok well if that's what you think then let it go, why don't you? If you want to ignore all the other people saying the same calories produce the same results no matter the source then that's up to you. I'm hardly arguing against a point that no one is making. Several people have now said that it doesn't matter WHAT you eat,…

Where did I say I do not believe in CICO? I am pretty sure I have stated in every post that calories DO matter. I do not deny facts. And hey, if people choose to eat bland food and don't mind good for them. Some people actually ENJOY some healthy protein mixed with veg and fat though. Funny that.

I did post it, you obviously missed it. But here it is again: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1199154

If your food diary is accurate the first thing I would say (not knowing your height or weight) is that your calories seem too high. They look more like maintenance cals than weight loss cals as you seem to be averaging 2000 cals a day and I don't see much exercise in your log. Your carbs are also VERY high for someone with…