jonnythan Member

There are no optimal ratios. Ratios are nonsensical, honestly. Think about your macros in absolute terms. Get at least 1.2 grams of protein per lb of lean body mass.

.. And?

I think there is, yes. Absolutely. Where do you think all this "good food/bad food" nonsense comes from? Where do you think this "cheesecake is automatically unhealthy" bs comes from? It comes from fundamental lack of understanding of the basic principles of human nutrition.

So I guess there's a general rule, but you don't want to tell us wha tit is?

What's the general rule? Be specific.

Nice attempt at a cheap rhetorical trick, intentionally misstating your opponent's argument. I've said all along that there is no general rule.

Neither is inherently better than the other. Your repeated attempts to get people to say home cooked meals are better are tiring and silly.

You can laugh but we all remember you touting educational history in a desperate attempt to back up your ridiculous, wrong claims about nutrition.

Eh. She's using her degree as evidence of her knowledge and understanding in this thread.

So what have you done with that undergrad degree in biology, anyway? If I were you I wouldn't advertise that as a major credential if that's as far as it went.

Well that's terrible. I used to think UC Berkeley was a decent institution. But, then again, I've learned over and over again that degrees generally mean very little, and that undergraduate degrees mean virtually nothing whatsoever. I'd never tout my degrees to back my arguments here, even though they are relevant.

The fact that you are trying to say 30g of fat and 32g of sugar is unhealthy is terrifying.

Anyway, I just ate a heavily processed, sugar-loaded Powerbar and chugged an artificially-sweetened, chemical-laden Monster Ultra Zero. So it's time to go lift some heavy things.

I don't see what's wrong with 30 grams of fat and 32 grams of sugar in a day, no. A decent size Honeycrisp apple has 35 grams of sugar, and one avocado has about 30 grams of fat. So........

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I'm sure I want to know. If you have some actual expertise in this field, it's highly relevant. And you did mention your education in two separate posts so far. So, yes, I definitely want to know.

I see, I see. What relevant degrees or employment do you have from UC Berkeley?

That's vague. Are you a lawyer? What are your degrees in?

You don't say. That explains the consistent use of arguments that sound convincing but are inconsistent, appeal to emotion, and violate logic.. combined with a general misunderstanding of biology.

The implication being that HFCS has different health effects than sucrose.

Who is a lawyer? Lindsey1979?

You still presented it that way. She said people were better off one way than another, and you replied by presenting only two options as if they were the only ones. Regardless, it doesn't matter whether people are choosing "better ingredients" (whatever that means) or eating "processed food." What matters is whether…

I didn't say either of these choices are good or bad. I said you presented a false dichotomy. That means that you presented two options as if one had to choose one or the other when the reality is that there are other options. This is a type of logical fallacy.

You present a false dichotomy. The point is to get the right nutrients, not choose better ingredients in home cooked meals vs eating more processed foods.

Cheesecake is not "fattening." That's nonsensical. BTW, full of sugar? A slice of Sara Lee cheesecake has about as much sugar as a good size apple. Caloric excess is what causes weight gain, not "fattening foods." You lack a basic understanding of human nutrition if you call cheesecake "fattening."

When you horribly mischaracterize someone's arguments and opinions like this, the only person you make look bad is yourself.

I wish I could be like you and just know things about the world just by imagining. If it feels right to you, it must be the truth! That must be wonderful.

There's nothing wrong with canned anything, frozen anything, fresh anything, processed anything. What matters is nutrients. Nutrients are what matter.

The question is whether sugar and processed food are good or bad. That's the question in this thread. Answering that question with "good" or "bad" is making a judgment about sugar and processed food.

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