jonnythan Member

How are "good" and "bad" simply "descriptions" and NOT judgment? Good and bad are the very definition of judgment.

Oh dear.

How sad it must be to feel guilty after eating something delicious, especially if it fits into your day.

I don't know whether it's 8% or 80%. Derp.

No. Just no.

It's entirely possible to eat a while pizza and it not be bad. It's not even hard.

What.

The thing is that IIFYM removes many of the barriers I consistently observe. Ultimately, the "silver bullet" to weight loss and maintenance is the discipline to be compliant in calorie intake long-term. How one gets there doesn't matter. It's my opinion, based on the sum of experience, observation, and data that an…

Neither would I, which is why I didn't make any statements about ALL of them. I spoke about a trend I observed among many of them. You keep insisting I'm talking about "All" of something. I'm not, and I've reiterated that point repeatedly. I think the only reason you could be consistently failing to understand it is…

What trends have you noticed? I'm genuinely curious. And BTW, I've been very very clear that I'm not speaking of "ALL MFP users." I'm speaking very specifically about a specific subset of MFP users: those who have demonstrated consistent long-term success.

Yes, those are valid questions if we want to examine why lindsey has not yet found long-term success. But, to be clear, I'm talking about trends among people who HAVE found long-term success. I'm not interested in examining the reasons lindsey has not, unless lindsey herself is and asks for opinions or advice. In that case…

Aspartame is not a carcinogenic. Sorry.

Right, and for that reason I don't consider you one of the people I'm talking about when I speak of the subset of MFP that have demonstrated long-term success. How or why you have failed to demonstrate long-term success is out of the scope of what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter to me. If you want to discuss it, we…

This is a simple lie. I've never said all foods are the same, ever. Not once.

Please link to someone who has said that. I've never seen it on MFP, ever. I've seen people say that calories are all that matter for weight loss/gain. That is a fact. It's not all that matters for body composition and health. I've never seen anyone say that "calories are all that matter" and that "it's all the same." If…

That's fine. It makes no difference to me why you're in the position you're in. I've made no assumptions or determinations about you or your process.

I don't think anyone at all says that everything is fine or that it's all the same. Literally no one says that.

Indeed. And I need to bring something up, and I want you to understand this isn't a criticism or attack... but you've been here 5 years, have a thousand posts, and have lost 12 of your target 27 pounds. I would not include you in the portion of MFP that has demonstrated significant long-term success.

The number of people on the MFP forums who have demonstrated long-term, lasting success isn't really that large. And it's an indisputable fact that there are a lot of people on the MFP forums who have demonstrated long-term, lasting success with an IIFYM style diet. So the original statement you had issue with: "There is…

I've personally observed the same thing in real life. Of all the people I know who have lost weight and kept it off long-term, none of them have adopted some fad diet or demonized any particular foods or nutrients. Every single one of them has adopted some variation of "eat less and move more." None of them have cut out…

I'm pretty confident in saying that I've encountered almost all of the people who have been posting here longer than a month (if you exclude the people who hangout exclusively in the chit-chat threads). Being a proponent of common sense and rational thought doesn't magically preclude someone from making observations about…

I sorta figured that's where the OP was going with it, and was surprised it hadn't come up. So I figured I'd help it along. It's actually an interesting question.

You missed the part where observing something is automatically confirmation bias.

No, I don't think there is, really. If you want to come up with data that disputes it, go ahead.

So I'll bring up the topic... If a pregnant woman is universally considered a mother, how come so many people don't consider the thing she's a mother of to be a human being? [Incoming train wreck]

Yes, it is based on my personal observation that a large portion of MFP members who have found long-term success follow an IIFYM style.

No foods are inherently good or bad. Why would they be? The idea that any individual food can be inherently good or bad is ludicrous, and represents an unhealthy way to think about food. It is an overall diet that is either good or bad for an individual.

No numbers, no. If someone compiled numbers, however, I'm fairly confident that you'd see a distinct trend. I've found similar trends in real life as well as on MFP.

The idea that anti-sugar, anti-processed food adherents or proponents are vastly outnumbered on MFP is ridiculously laughable. If anything it's the other way around. There is of course a vocal, active IIFYM subset on MFP. It's not just coincidence that they represent a large portion of the members who have found long-term…

What herd? The "herd" in the fitness and nutrition industry is very strongly anti-sugar, anti-processed food.