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Peanut butter, chicken, and fish all have saturated fat.

The reality is that millions of people of have been harmed by this institutionalized fear of fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol, and lack of awareness of truly detrimental foods--not by a misunderstanding of the term "processed foods." @psulemon it seems your logic is that other things have been more harmful, so that…

The reality is that millions of people of have been harmed by this institutionalized fear of fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol, and lack of awareness of truly detrimental foods--not by a misunderstanding of the term "processed foods." Yet here we are again, another thread hijacked in defense of processed food. Would it…

Ah, I get it @winogelato You're protective of the words "processed foods" because you don't want people getting confused and avoiding kimchi, pickles, and cheese--valid concerns there. You clearly have a passion for accurate language! You think I'm overzealous, but I think you're overzealous... and your motives appear a…

But that's the curious thing about refined fats and refined carbohydrates: they don't exist in nature. They are only found in processed food. This demonization of fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol, this laser focus for decades, has allowed refined, unnatural fats with seemingly healthy fatty acid profiles (from margarine…

Risk reduction was noted, but no effect on hard end points, honey :) (Aka it says what I said it says :wink: )

You are really grasping now... Hey, Steven will a Cochrane Review make you feel better about having some cream in your coffee? This systematic review includes 15 RCTS, over 59,000 participants. The RCTs reduced saturated fat or replaced it with other types of fat for at least 24 months. Result? No statistically significant…

If you are unclear, do a little research! Yes, there is a difference between refined or hydrogenated coconut oil and the unrefined, organic, virgin coconut oil. http://coconutoil.com/what-type-of-coconut-oil-is-best-how-to-choose-a-coconut-oil/ There also a difference between buying a mass produced bottle of regular olive…

1. if naturally occurring trans fats were a problem (evidence show they are actually heart healthy) the analysis (which you haven't addressed yet) should have also correlated harm with meat and milk. 2. natural and man made trans fats are not the same. 3. as a population, we are not overdosing on trans fats from meat…

@winogelato I started this thread to share evidence that natural fats from animals are not harmful. You feigned ignorance about the harmful effects of processed foods in order to bate me into an argument (fits the definition of trolling)... Your affected tone is obvious to me, and you clearly don't have any real…

Interesting, first it seemed like you were saying processed foods were not harmful. Now is seems you're saying they actually are harmful if you eat too much of them--great! So what's the big deal with me choosing to avoid the ones I think are harmful? You want a list of what processed foods you should avoid? really? Your…

Let's look at your first sentence in context of the first quote your shared. A wealth of epidemiologic studies have evaluated associations between dietary exposures and CHD. The general consensus from the evidence currently available is that a reduced consumption of saturated and trans–fatty acids and a higher intake of…

What's funny is, it sounds like we are basically in agreement. I also think humans do well eating mostly whole real nutrient dense food. I never once said, nor do I think everyone needs to eat a ketogenic diet. I do, however, believe it is a highly effective treatment for IR and obesity, among other things--and also…

This topic of debate never gets old, I guess. Re: your description of "an inaccurate sweeping generalization," I specifically explained that it was a "big picture summary (as there are certainly lots and lots of details)." And the way I reconcile a ketogenic diet with an avoidance of processed foods is very simple: I eat a…

Ok, I'm confused now. From your earlier comment, you made it sound like you don't see any problems with processed foods. Now you're saying a lot of LCHF people eat too many processed foods. What exactly are you trying to get at?

Please go back and read the thread, I said to ask for a NMR lipid panel, and also consider more meaningful risk factors, like CAC score, insulin resistance, or markers of inflammation, among other things. Telling people they just need to cut out saturated fat to prevent heart disease is the real BS.

Interesting. What is your typical omega 3 to omega 6 ratio? Also, I'm sure you realize there are many types of omega 3--many vegetarians, for example, are specifically lacking DHA and EPA and require supplementation.

@winogelato Re processed foods: maybe it's better if we start with you telling me what if anything is not a concern and also what is? This topic is so broad. Re ketogenic diet: I'm not sure where you got that idea. Do you have a source? I don't eat low carb/Adkins shakes, bars, candies, or anything with artificial…

@J72FIT Thanks for the question. I really appreciate these forum conversations for how they push me to ask new questions, explore more research, and really understand the breadth and depth of ignorance/misinformation (and its sources). My eyes have really been opened up in so many ways. In considering your question, I…

Here's the whole section on Dietary Recommendations for Total Fat Intake: The acceptable macronutrient distribution range (AMDR) for total fat intake can vary between 20 and 35%E (maximum: 35%E; minimum 15%E). While for most individuals with moderate physical activity 30%E is recommended, for those with high physical…

@Traveler120 I shared my lipid numbers because someone asked. And I calculated your macros almost identical to what you posted (missed reading your post, my bad). Your fat percentage is extremely low and unpalatable for the average person (even the summary Steven posted warned against < 20%). It's unlikely you get enough…

@Stevencloser Firstly, why not try reading all of them? Secondly, this analysis looked at all RCTs to date and found no causal link. That's exactly what was stated by me and your excerpt.

For your reading pleasure... July 2003, an analysis published in the BMJ by the Harvard School of Public Health followed 43,732 men over 14 years and concluded that "These findings do not support associations between intake of total fat, cholesterol, or specific types of fat and risk of stroke in men."…

Good luck debating the differences/similarities of sugar, water, and oxygen toxicity!

LOL, this conversation has completely derailed.

Right, dosage. So you admit fructose is toxic when you get too much of it? Nice. :)

Interesting logic there. (And why all the added emphasis?) In my experience, people don't really drop dead from too many things (and I have watched and cared for many dying people). I mean, chemotherapy, for example, is extremely toxic. I have to wear special protective garments to administer it. However, if it spilled on…

Honey, all I've shared with you so far is what I would call "science." You've given me none. And no response to the Mayo Clinic Proceedings either. I think I understand what's going on here.

Here's another epidemiological study he was involved in. Funny thing about this one: he didn't force feed anyone extremely high levels of fructose. Nope, just collected data ;) Sugar is behind global explosion in type 2 diabetes, study finds http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/27/sugar-obesity-type-2-diabetes The…

No, you said, "His science is based on rodent studies, studies with extremely high levels of fructose that aren't good for anyone." It's easy to scroll back and read. ;)