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Bingo. One of the issues I think is that the masterminds of paleo turned it political, and thus the arguments are rooted in deep sociopolitical beliefs. People can be as passionate about paleo as they can be about gay marriage or health care. People who subscribe to paleo, many of them (not all, maybe not most, but most…

I'm a firm believer of, "live and let live." When people start to demean me for my diet and tell me my diet is unhealthy (solely due to incorporating whole grain tortillas and dairy), then they're kind of infringing on my living in my mind. If you don't do that, I won't. I have plenty of people I get along with regardless…

No problem. Just don't tell me grains are going to give me cancer and end my future marriage in divorce, and we don't have a problem. Also be very careful when you talk about the "scientific backing" of paleo. Paleo is absolutely for you given clinical intolerances. For someone like me, however, I don't NEED to cut out…

I support anyone who goes paleo, particularly those who have actually done the research, and most importantly, aren't dogmatic and judgmental. I already called the diet healthy, but as far as science shows, it's no healthier than any other diet that matches macros/micros. PERIOD. The issue I have with paleo is they (many -…

Please don't tell me you're implying I haven't done my research. I've seen Wolf's videos, I've seen the studies done on pigs where one group was fed paleo and another cereal, I've seen the studies on Mediterranean diet vs. paleo diet. I'm willing to bet that I've done more research on paleo than most adherents of paleo,…

Bingo! At the end of the day, regardless of when you eat, the net fat loss will be the same assuming you maintain calories/macronutrients. If you eat most of your calories earlier in the day, more fat loss will occur later in the day. If you eat most of your calories later in the day, more fat loss will occur earlier in…

I would love to see some that is of relevance. Please exclude all: -Ex vivo studies. -Studies done on rodents. -Correlational research. Please include all: -Clinical trials that maintain macronutrients/micronutrients. Hint: those trials don't exist.

People are denying that paleo is extreme? The main proponents of paleo declare things like dairy, whole grains, and legumes as being a major source, if not THE major source/sole source, of cancer, neurodegenerative diseases, and terrorism. Are you really going to put up the argument that this kind of thought is NOT…

Stopped reading after that. Please stop spreading completely false information on these boards.

Kind of an interesting statement considering how ill-informed the paleo doctrine seems to be and how it stands on zero science that is remotely relevant to our interests. I mean, Robb Wolf has implicated that his diet is a cure for neurodegenerative disorders. I mean, I just laughed out loud when I heard that.

Healthy diet that is no healthier than other healthy diets. The end.

Ha, a century alone burns over 5,000 calories if you work at a 20 mph pace. So doing TWO? Uhh, yeah, going to need lots of GU packets (though I prefer the Clif packets). I'm not so much anymore. Moving to Chicago isn't a prime move for someone with pipe dreams of being big in cycling (which I never had - I just did it more…

I would never suggest an everyday person undergo this until they have ample experience under their belt. Even after ~4 years of competitive cycling I never went to the lengths of complete glycogen depletion over the course of 7-14 days, *maintaining intense training* (high risk of catabolism if not extremely, extremely…

1) Does this apply to the general population as his site did not specify? 2) Are you insulin resistant? 3) If the answer to #2 is 'no' - then you are miscalculating. 4) Do you realize that a single gram of CHO = contains 3-5g water? Of course higher carbs can mean a SHORT-TERM effect of higher weight as a diet in carbs…

Define "be fine" - what's the operational definition for that? You could "be fine" in the fact that you won't see a net fat gain as CHO is converted to glycogen, not fat. Is that what you're saying? Do you believe it'll go directly to fat even if glycogen is not full? I'm lost on the "be fine" part and what you mean by…

Sodium has no bearing on body fat, rather water weight. It's completely irrelevant to body composition. If you aren't insulin resistant, then low carb won't yield any added benefits that can't be found in a diet more moderate in carbs.

Do you agree that 150+g carbs per day is "steady, insidious weight gain"?

I'm telling you it doesn't matter, though. It's all personal preference. Some people may prefer to go carb-heavy post-working, some may prefer carb-heavy pre-workout, and some people may not notice a difference between the times they eat their macros. Experiment and find what works best for you. There is NO universal…

Bingo. He cherry-picks data like no one's business. This is why you should always, always, ALWAYS ask for the direct source of any claim. I could go find a study and quote a few lines and make it sound like the study found something that it absolutely did not find, or ignore the context under which the study attained its…

He's a joke. Seriously, some of the things he's said have just made me laugh. Like when he called a daily carb intake of 150+g per day as "insidious, steady weight gain."

Furthermore, it seems this discussion has gotten off-track. I've made my claims and supported them with empirical evidence. We're talking about the extremes of glycogen compensation, rather than the practical application of it in a person trying to be healthy, exercise, and lose weight. I made the point that our glycogen…

There's a difference between heightening performance and preventing going bonk (which is, by the way, a term more reserved for cyclists). Metabolizing dietary sugar in the bloodstream is less energy-tasking and faster than glycogenolysis.

Perfect post. If anyone puts a time limit on when you can eat, they are grossly misinformed on how the human body functions.

Double post.

Just making sure. Liver glycogen is an anabolic mediator, and as such does play a role in fatigue. Perhaps you're more untrained than people who run regularly, and as such your glycogen capacity may differ, but most [trained] people who run a marathon don't need to take GU or Gatorade to prevent hitting a wall.

Do you know the difference between liver and muscle glycogen?

Strong misunderstanding of physiology. Go run a marathon while eating a ketogenic diet, then eating moderate carbs, maybe 200g per day, then eating 800g per day. Carb loading doesn't stop one from going bonk and it doesn't prevent muscle fatigue, but having glycogen stores filled compared to anything but filled does result…

Yep, couldn't agree more about saturated fat not being the demon people once thought it was. I have no quarrel with this movie clearing that myth up. However, it traded one demon for another, and it did so without proper empirical evidence backing that claim. Trading in fat-phobia for carb-phobia.

What? Is that serious? Feel free to produce some of that empirical evidence as I have clearly presented mine. Especially any empirical evidence that supports the claims made in Fathead. THAT would be nice to see.

Feel free to refute the study after you read it, then. You explain how participants can eat at caloric surpluses and see no short-term gains in fat mass. Immediate energy needs are still relevant for endurance tasks. You can't live off glycogen forever in an endurance event, similarly obese people still need to eat food…