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I'm sure this is true. Not everyone is the same. There are people who have leptin diseases and end up unable to not gain weight. These are a very small group of people but you can see pictures of them in the video. Likewise I'm sure there are people whose bodies do not engage in protective mechanisms for fat stores. But,…

I don't think I have ever said that. What I have said is that most people, between 80-95%, fail at long-term weight loss. There are scientific reasons for this. Behavioral modification for weight loss does not work for most people, and there are scientific reasons why. Jump to 48:00 for a scientific discussion. Also 50:30.

If you don't examine the reasons why most people who try to lose weight fail at losing weight, then the problem will never be solved. That's not a crutch, that is reality.

I don't know what you mean by an "energy level drop". Metabolism evidently does decline with fat loss as the body tries to counter the loss. I'm sure that is correct, since the more LBM you have the higher your metabolism will be.

Yup, you can either eat less or burn more. But either way, you're going to have to make up about 15-20% more than someone your size who was never fat. If they are on 1700 calories maintenance you will have to be at 1445 - 1360 calories to maintain the same mass. Whether you want to use your mouth or muscles to get there is…

I hope you do watch the video. But like I said, it sounds to me like they accounted for LBM. He references a highly controlled study. He is light on the details (he specifically says many times that he is not going to go into the details as it is only a 1-hour presentation) but this is a real research scientist talking.…

Absolutely. If your weight loss stalls, you've got to cut your caloric intake even more. The hard part here is you're going to have to cut it 15-20% less than someone of your weight who was never overweight. A lot of people are still saying things that contradict it.

That jives with what the video says. The video then goes on to explain the physiological changes that appear to happen as a result of lower leptin levels. Namely a cascade of other hormonal changes that result in fat-level restoration mechanisms kicking in, like increased hunger and reduced metabolism.

Watch the video. The relevant part starts at 35:00. It appears that they are comparing LBM. But to me the take-away is that if you take an average joe who was never obese who weights 170 pounds, and compare his metabolism to another average joe who was once 250 pounds and lost down to 170 pounds, the once-250-pound joe is…

Were you obese before? If not, you probably don't have anything to worry about.

Not according to the video. The metabolic slowdown is not due to caloric intake or a caloric deficit, at least not directly. It is due to a reduction in body fat mass, which reduces leptin levels. And the adaptations may well be permanent. They have been extrapolated out to 3-4 years.

So why did you bring up addiction at all? Explaining physiological changes due to fat loss is not a crutch. Understanding a problem is not a crutch. It's important to note that this is not just "one video" as if it was some random rambling found on the internet. This is a lecture by a prominent doctor and scientist at an…

There may very well be mechanisms that react to reduced caloric intake, but that is not what the video is speaking to. The video is about how as body fat levels decline, leptin levels decline, and this triggers the body fat protection mechanisms, including increased hunger and reduced metabolism.

Obviously body composition matters. I believe they accounted for this. I have quoted the relevant part of the video: "if you look at obese individuals in an in-patient setting under very tightly controlled circumstances on liquid formula diets, no messing around, no nonsense, 24-hour observation, they take about 50kcal per…

[quote[How "starvation mode" gets used too often is for the claim that if you eat too little your body will hold onto fat and stop losing weight. [/quote] That is true, but I've also heard a lot of counters to "starvation mode" saying that dieting does not affect metabolism unless you get down into single-digit body fat…

It will only stop your weight loss if you don't cut your calories further to accommodate the drop in metabolism. The effect is about a 15%-20% reduction in metabolism. Obviously if you eat a deficit, which accommodates the 15-20% metabolic reduction, you will continue to lose weight. As I explained to someone else, what…

Maybe you are special, I don't know. All I know is the video says that in an extremely controlled study, with people in clinical scenarios with rigorously controlled diets with over 100 people over a 3-4 week period they saw reduced metabolisms in the 15%-20% range, and based on long-term weight loss database information…

It is absolutely true that no matter what your metabolism does, if you eat a calorie deficit you will lose weight. It is also absolutely true, however, that when you lose weight, your metabolism will slow down trying to restore your fat stores to their previous level, which means in order to hit a deficit you will have to…

This is not what the video says. No, no, no. This is not the conclusion of the video. Obviously, people who weigh less require fewer calories. That is not what this video says. What it says is that if you are fat and you lose weight, your metabolism will be lower than someone of the same weight who has never been fat. And…

The video has nothing to do with food addiction, and no one has brought that up in this thread until you did. The video discusses the physiological responses to body fat mass loss, and its impact on long-term weight loss. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the video.

Not that was expounded upon by Dr. Liebel in the video. Their extrapolation based on NIH long-term weight loss databases seem to indicate that the metabolism slowdown exists at least 3-4 years out. It is depressing. It's also insightful as to why so many weight loss attempts fail long-term. As Dr. Liebel says early on in…

Absolutely. It just means that maintaining weight loss is harder than just losing the weight to begin with. It's why most people fail at long-term weight loss. But the topic here is metabolic reduction, and my point here is that metabolic reduction due to fat loss is real and is scientifically proven in a clinical setting…

Please see this video: http://videocast.nih.gov/summary.asp?live=2993&bhcp=20 And skip to 35:00. Metabolic reduction is 15%-20%, and is directly related to leptin reduction which is directly related to body fat mass loss.

Again, I highly recommend folks watch this video: http://videocast.nih.gov/summary.asp?live=2993&bhcp=20 For the part on the metabolic effects of body fat mass loss, skip ahead to 35:00 and watch to 40:00. The metabolic effect is not (directly) related to caloric intake. It is related to loss of body fat and, consequently,…

What it means is that after you lose body fat, you will have to eat 20% less food than normal just to maintain your weight compared to someone who was never overweight. In your example, that means eating 540 calories less a day than you normally would. That's significant. Yes, you can offset that with exercise, but 540…

Originally, I believed in starvation mode. Then, from discussions here on this forum, I thought it was not true - that they only saw metabolic damage in people who had gotten down to single-digit body fat percentages. However, I have recently watched a video that has changed my opinion yet again:…

Well get used to people constantly asking you to explain yourself when you make incorrect statements, then.

Dieting is stressful and uncomfortable. I think generally any time we have a persistent nag of something uncomfortable it makes us grumpy. I occasionally get canker sores. They make me extremely irritable. It's the constant pain that does it. Spending all day long hungry does it to many.

Then you need to stop challenging people about things like "lard" without being able to provide any specifics about what is bad about it. Especially when the food under discussion doesn't even contain it. There is nothing known to be toxic in an Oreo cookie. The myth of eating saturated fats causing high cholesterol has…

It may be. I have just learned about OA yesterday and am now looking into it. Which is why, again, I very plainly prefaced my original comment that it was colored by my own experiences of the causes of the failings of moderation. The OP was extremely light on details (as I said before) but when someone tells me "I can't…