Another BMR test results thread....

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HeidiHoMom
HeidiHoMom Posts: 1,393 Member
SIGH (BIG sigh)

So I had my BMR tested with a naturopath. The results were great for that, BMR is 1607 which is almost exactly what the online calculators said. BUT my metabolism is apparently very slow...she said the levels are consistent with hypothyroidism, and my thyroid glands have excess tissue on them.

She said that I will need to eat less than what I have been eating in order to lose and recommended that I eat at my BMR but not to go below. I explained the eat more philosophy and she definitely agreed with it but she said because my metabolism is so slow I just won't lose weight eating that much and that for me, it just won't work right now until we get my hormone levels under control.

She also said I need to cut out gluten and dairy (because of psoriasis) but that it is also beneficial for weight loss with hypothyroidism.

I don't know what to do.

I am getting blood work done to see if my thyroid levels are low but I don't know what to do about my calories.

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  • MichelleRenee13
    MichelleRenee13 Posts: 363 Member
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    I wouldn't change on the calorie front until you get the blood work test results back and get the doctor's opinion as well. Keep your chin up! There isn't anything written in stone.
  • tenshiblue
    tenshiblue Posts: 150 Member
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    Hi Heidi,


    I would definitely go to your doctor and have them check a TSH and T3 and T4 level on you. This way you'll find out if you truly have hypothyroidism and also what the cause of your hypothyroidism is.

    My friend has hypothyroidism due to a thyroid problem. After taking this supplement, her T4 level actually rose with this and her metabolism increased.

    http://www.shop.com/TLS+reg+ACTS+Adrenal+Cortisol+Thyroid+Stress+Support+Formula-570817677-p+.xhtml?credituser=C8242908
  • HeidiHoMom
    HeidiHoMom Posts: 1,393 Member
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    I am getting the blood work done on Monday for it.

    The naturopath gave me some supplement to take to start with but because I am nursing she said that was all I should be taking, none of the other ones are safe for nursing.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    So I had my BMR tested with a naturopath. The results were great for that, BMR is 1607 which is almost exactly what the online calculators said. BUT my metabolism is apparently very slow...she said the levels are consistent with hypothyroidism, and my thyroid glands have excess tissue on them.

    She said that I will need to eat less than what I have been eating in order to lose and recommended that I eat at my BMR but not to go below. I explained the eat more philosophy and she definitely agreed with it but she said because my metabolism is so slow I just won't lose weight eating that much and that for me, it just won't work right now until we get my hormone levels under control.

    She also said I need to cut out gluten and dairy (because of psoriasis) but that it is also beneficial for weight loss with hypothyroidism.

    I don't know what to do.

    I am getting blood work done to see if my thyroid levels are low but I don't know what to do about my calories.

    So did you sleep overnight with headgear hooked up for BMR test?

    Or did you have 30 min resting for RMR test?

    Or did you have RMR, and they calc'd out BMR value and gave you that?

    or did you receive the RMR reading, thinking it is BMR?

    If they gave you RMR, and it almost matches your estimated BMR, then you are slower metabolism than estimated.

    Now, online estimated BMR is best done with Katch and bodyfat%.
    If overweight, the Harris or Mifflin BMR is inflated anyway, so real one is lower almost always.

    So here's the thing to ask yourself.
    Is your metabolism slower than expected because of a medical problem, because of undereating for level of activity for a long time, or you are a statistical removal from the avgs? With 5% of Katch BMR is pretty good and expected.

    The fail safe method is to of course start higher, and then go down if metabolism really doesn't speed up. Because if you indeed suppressed it now, you can indeed do it again.

    Always like this case study as to what someone can do to themselves, and can recover too.
    A 51 year old patient complained of a 15 lb weight gain over the last year despite beginning a strenuous triathlon and marathon training program (2 hours per day, 5-6 days per week).
    A 3 day diet analysis estimated a daily intake of only 1000-1200 Calories.
    An indirect calorimetry revealed a resting metabolic rate of 950 Calories (28% below predicted for age, height, weight, and gender).
    After medications and medical conditions such as hypothyroidism and diabetes where ruled out, the final diagnosis was over-training and undereating. The following treatment was recommended:

    Increase daily dietary intake by approximately 100 Calories per week to a goal of 1500 calories
    32% protein; 35% carbohydrates; 33% fat
    Consume 5-6 small meals per day
    Small amounts of protein with each meal or snack
    Choose high fiber starches
    Select mono- and poly- unsaturated fats
    Restrict consumption of starch with evening meals unless focused around training
    Take daily multi-vitamin and mineral supplement
    Perform whole body isometric resistance training 2 times per week

    After 6 weeks the patient's resting metabolism increased 35% to 1282 Calories per day (only 2% below predicted).
    The patient also decreases percent fat from 37% to 34%, a loss of 5 lbs of body fat.

    Jampolis MB (2004) Weight Gain - Marathon Runner / Triathlete. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 36(5) S148.
  • riouxt
    riouxt Posts: 104 Member
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    Hi,

    Well, I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism after the birth of my first child (9 years ago) and have been taking synthroid since...even through breastfeeding. Hopefully, it was safe because it kept me normal!! :)

    Hope you can get it sorted out. I know that I was really lethargic and gained weight and couldn't lose it. Good luck.
  • theresabell67
    theresabell67 Posts: 97 Member
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    Are you losing weight now? Along with still building muscle or at leat maitaining the muscle you have? I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism in 1997 and had partial removal. It wasn't until the past 4-5 years that i have had difficulty with losing weight or maintaining it. I would get your blood levels tested and if possible would also see and Endocrinologist.
  • crystalwelshroberts
    crystalwelshroberts Posts: 147 Member
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    HeidiHo,
    I'll keep an eye on this thread, to see what you find out... I'm sure there will be a solution to get you to a healthy place, it may just take longer than you hoped :(

    I have been debating a BMR test... just haven't pulled the trigger.

    Best of luck!
  • SweatpantsRebellion
    SweatpantsRebellion Posts: 754 Member
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    I'm hypo and I just don't agree that you need to eat at BMR because you're hypo. I feel like complete crap when I don't eat enough and my hypo symptoms worsen. I feel better when I eat more. As far as dropping weight, if you're hypo is keeping you from being able to lose fat, then that will right itself once you are being properly treated - without you having to drop your calories.

    I feel like I know something about this. My thyroid crashed so hard postpartum that I put on 40 pounds in a little over 3 months. I had to go to my dr. to get my medication adjusted (Armour thyroid, which is natural and not synthetic so I felt very safe with it during my pregnancy and while nursing). Anyways, that made a huge difference for me. I've been losing steadily (slowly) for the most part while eating more. I think it's a misconception that people who are hypothyroid need to eat less.
  • rcharlee
    rcharlee Posts: 182 Member
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    I haven't had my thyroid levels checked in over a year, but somehow convinced myself that my thyroid is under productive. I don't use much Western Medicine anymore, so I began taking supplements that help promote a healthy thyroid function. I take Chlorella, Spirulina, and Thyroid Energy. I've seen a major change, but I know this way isn't for everyone.

    I look forward to hearing about your results, and plan.
  • HeidiHoMom
    HeidiHoMom Posts: 1,393 Member
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    So I had my BMR tested with a naturopath. The results were great for that, BMR is 1607 which is almost exactly what the online calculators said. BUT my metabolism is apparently very slow...she said the levels are consistent with hypothyroidism, and my thyroid glands have excess tissue on them.

    She said that I will need to eat less than what I have been eating in order to lose and recommended that I eat at my BMR but not to go below. I explained the eat more philosophy and she definitely agreed with it but she said because my metabolism is so slow I just won't lose weight eating that much and that for me, it just won't work right now until we get my hormone levels under control.

    She also said I need to cut out gluten and dairy (because of psoriasis) but that it is also beneficial for weight loss with hypothyroidism.

    I don't know what to do.

    I am getting blood work done to see if my thyroid levels are low but I don't know what to do about my calories.

    So did you sleep overnight with headgear hooked up for BMR test?

    Or did you have 30 min resting for RMR test?

    Or did you have RMR, and they calc'd out BMR value and gave you that?

    or did you receive the RMR reading, thinking it is BMR?

    If they gave you RMR, and it almost matches your estimated BMR, then you are slower metabolism than estimated.

    Now, online estimated BMR is best done with Katch and bodyfat%.
    If overweight, the Harris or Mifflin BMR is inflated anyway, so real one is lower almost always.

    So here's the thing to ask yourself.
    Is your metabolism slower than expected because of a medical problem, because of undereating for level of activity for a long time, or you are a statistical removal from the avgs? With 5% of Katch BMR is pretty good and expected.

    The fail safe method is to of course start higher, and then go down if metabolism really doesn't speed up. Because if you indeed suppressed it now, you can indeed do it again.

    Always like this case study as to what someone can do to themselves, and can recover too.
    A 51 year old patient complained of a 15 lb weight gain over the last year despite beginning a strenuous triathlon and marathon training program (2 hours per day, 5-6 days per week).
    A 3 day diet analysis estimated a daily intake of only 1000-1200 Calories.
    An indirect calorimetry revealed a resting metabolic rate of 950 Calories (28% below predicted for age, height, weight, and gender).
    After medications and medical conditions such as hypothyroidism and diabetes where ruled out, the final diagnosis was over-training and undereating. The following treatment was recommended:

    Increase daily dietary intake by approximately 100 Calories per week to a goal of 1500 calories
    32% protein; 35% carbohydrates; 33% fat
    Consume 5-6 small meals per day
    Small amounts of protein with each meal or snack
    Choose high fiber starches
    Select mono- and poly- unsaturated fats
    Restrict consumption of starch with evening meals unless focused around training
    Take daily multi-vitamin and mineral supplement
    Perform whole body isometric resistance training 2 times per week

    After 6 weeks the patient's resting metabolism increased 35% to 1282 Calories per day (only 2% below predicted).
    The patient also decreases percent fat from 37% to 34%, a loss of 5 lbs of body fat.

    Jampolis MB (2004) Weight Gain - Marathon Runner / Triathlete. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 36(5) S148.
    I was hooked up to some machine and had to rest for 5 minutes while it took readings and then the machine printed out the results. It was my BMR that was tested not RMR. My BMR is right on track with the online calculators. It was my basal cell metabolism that was low, my number was 28 and it should be around 37.
    As I said in my original post she said the numbers suggest hypothyroidism which would be the reason for decreased metabolism.
  • CleanandLean33
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    Can I just ask what qualifications does a naturopath have in the US? It might be a definition/ language thing but If I saw that title in the uk it would not fill me with confidence and they certainly would not have any medical training. I'd consult a medical dr specialising in thyroid before I took anything .. ESP if nursing. I am I admit not I to my alternative health because I know too many people who have been conned by so called experts but I appreciate it a personal choice
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    I was hooked up to some machine and had to rest for 5 minutes while it took readings and then the machine printed out the results. It was my BMR that was tested not RMR. My BMR is right on track with the online calculators. It was my basal cell metabolism that was low, my number was 28 and it should be around 37.
    As I said in my original post she said the numbers suggest hypothyroidism which would be the reason for decreased metabolism.

    No - it was your RMR that was tested.

    You would have to stay all night for your BMR to be tested - really, look it up.

    Now, while they tested your RMR, they may have indeed done the calculation and spit out estimated BMR, which is actually a better estimate than anything else, because at least it's based on RMR.

    Except, just as there are several equations for BMR, there are several for RMR, and a couple ways to relate the 2.

    Check the paperwork, see what formula they used. Because even some RMR formula's have disagreement.

    I'm disappointed in the 5 minutes - it's usually 20-30 min, 5 isn't long enough to calm down usually with something tied to your face.
  • HeidiHoMom
    HeidiHoMom Posts: 1,393 Member
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    So regardless of whether it was BMR or RMR (even though their website says it is BMR and the paper that came out said BMR) what are you saying I should do with the information?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    So regardless of whether it was BMR or RMR (even though their website says it is BMR and the paper that came out said BMR) what are you saying I should do with the information?

    As studies have shown, you can lower your RMR by eating to little for your level of activity, and you can raise it back up again.

    Outside true medical reasons. Which those reasons should have very definite side effects that you can run through the list and confirm or deny if you have them.
    If you have none of them, you still may want a blood workup to confirm/deny something is worth medicine or examining further.

    But in the meantime, use the methods this group assists with, and compared to perhaps before, start eating more if it applies.

    As the case study above shows, slowly raise calories each week to give body a chance to speed up.
  • HeidiHoMom
    HeidiHoMom Posts: 1,393 Member
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    I've already raised my calories, did so in April. I have been eating around 1950 and have only lost a pound since June. This is why I went to get tested because I am maintaining a the level that I should be losing at. I had an initial 7 lbs loss from April to June but then really nothing since.

    In any case, her numbers indicated I'm at the same level as people with hypothyroidism and I will be getting the blood work back to confirm one way or the other in a couple weeks.

    In the mean time I think I will leave my cals where there at and see what happens.

    What is more concerning to me is that she recommends I go dairy/gluten free which makes me want to cry lol.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    I've already raised my calories, did so in April. I have been eating around 1950 and have only lost a pound since June. This is why I went to get tested because I am maintaining a the level that I should be losing at. I had an initial 7 lbs loss from April to June but then really nothing since.

    In any case, her numbers indicated I'm at the same level as people with hypothyroidism and I will be getting the blood work back to confirm one way or the other in a couple weeks.

    In the mean time I think I will leave my cals where there at and see what happens.

    What is more concerning to me is that she recommends I go dairy/gluten free which makes me want to cry lol.

    Great to hear you are entering this on the safe side of movement then.

    So downward would be it if the bloodwork doesn't point out anything wrong.

    Oh, wife had results on the edge of safe, so scanning of the results looking for the red flags showed none, and Dr saw none.
    Later 2 values were point out being on the edge, and when taken together, were bad news. But Dr never saw them.

    So make sure to get the results yourself too.

    My try some of the substitute stuff to dairy see how you like it. Sadly it's so low fat. oh well, peanut butter.
  • HeidiHoMom
    HeidiHoMom Posts: 1,393 Member
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    Apparently there is a great coconut milk icecream that's good. Going to try that.
    And stuff my face with it while I cry about being gluten/dairy free.
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
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    Heidiho...I have psoriasis & never been told that. But willing to try as mine has never been so bad since I have been eating healthier. Weird. Good luck on your test results !
  • SweatpantsRebellion
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    Heidoho - I'm trying to get myself off of dairy so I feel your pain. I hear homemade coconut milk ice cream is the bomb. I haven't tried it yet - I'm considering asking for an ice cream maker for Christmas this year! I LOVE ice cream! And cheese. Cheese is hard. I'm doing better with cheese except for pizza. I can't bring myself to order a pizza with no cheese!
  • holleysings
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    Apparently there is a great coconut milk icecream that's good. Going to try that.
    And stuff my face with it while I cry about being gluten/dairy free.

    I found out I'm extremely lactose intolerant about a month ago. Not going to lie, it's a hard transition, but you'll probably feel better! You can actually make your own coconut milk granita for cheap. (http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/aarti-sequeira/coconut-lime-granita-recipe/index.html) I used 2T agave nectar and 2T honey instead of all that sugar and no coconut. It was one of the easiest and most delicious things I have made.