How do your paces compare?
ZenInTexas
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Just curious how does your easy run pace compare to your marathon pace? How many minutes difference? And how does your HM pace compare to MP?
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I've never ran a marathon, only a 1/2, but my training pace for long runs is about 1 min slower than I raced my most recent half!0
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For a marathon I will be 30-45" slower than race pace, closer to 30. For a half it is about the same.0
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Just curious how does your easy run pace compare to your marathon pace? How many minutes difference? And how does your HM pace compare to MP?
Mine:
Marathon Pace: 8:37
Easy run/recovery run pace: 8:55-9:20
Half marathon Pace: 7:43
My boyfriend (who is i always like to compare to because he has a lot more running experience than me)
Marathon Pace: 6:20
Easy run/recovery run: 6:50-7:30
Half Marathon: 5:37
**note I suck at marathons0 -
I only ran one marathon:
marathon race pace : 9:42 (2 long bathroom brakes)
goal marathon race pace :8:58
half marathon pace: 8:16
easy run pace: 9:50 - 10:300 -
In terms of PRs, my marathon pace is 7:43
My half-marathon pace is 6:36
I "should" be faster than that at the marathon but I've never pulled it off. Based on most charts / tables I should be doing more like a 7:00-7:15 pace for a marathon. Like I said, it's never worked out that way, for a variety of reasons.
I do my easy runs at 8:00 to 8:30.0 -
1M: 6:30
5K: 6:45
10K: 7:10
HM: 8:00 (looking at 7:30 in 2014)
FM: 10:00 (Looking at 9:15-9:30 in 2014)
I feel all my paces are in line with each other except the FM pace. The FM was my first, in bad heat, so I don't have much faith in it being the best i could do.0 -
Easy run pace ranges from 8:45 to 9:45. Most of the time it's around 9:15, so we'll use that.
MP is about 7:15, so 2:00 faster.
HMP is about 6:45, so 2:30 faster.0 -
wow. I totally suck at running. Im too embarrassed to put up my numbers after reading this thread.0
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wow. I totally suck at running. Im too embarrassed to put up my numbers after reading this thread.
You don't suck at running. Don't compare your paces to others. This thread is about how much faster or slower do you run an easy run compared to a race.0 -
Okay I'll throw my info out there for the less fast people in the group
Training pace: 10:00 - 11:00 for up to 16 miles. Usually 10:30
So far it seens like I have an unlimited capcity for more slow miles.
HM pace: 10:01. Can't shake it.
5k pace: 8:37
Haven't trained for the marathon yet, but my plan right now is to run it basically the same as my training pace, since I can't speed up for a HM. Which means a 20 mile training run won't give me enough time on my feet, so on those days I may walk a little after the running part to balance it out.0 -
Okay I'll throw my info out there for the less fast people in the group
Training pace: 10:00 - 11:00 for up to 16 miles. Usually 10:30
So far it seens like I have an unlimited capcity for more slow miles.
HM pace: 10:01. Can't shake it.
5k pace: 8:37
Haven't trained for the marathon yet, but my plan right now is to run it basically the same as my training pace, since I can't speed up for a HM. Which means a 20 mile training run won't give me enough time on my feet, so on those days I may walk a little after the running part to balance it out.
How about you try a 10K pace instead?0 -
Looks like most of you have a really big difference between your training paces and race paces. I have a much harder time with this. How do you know what is a sustainable race pace if all of your training paces are 1-2 minutes slower?0
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Looks like most of you have a really big difference between your training paces and race paces. I have a much harder time with this. How do you know what is a sustainable race pace if all of your training paces are 1-2 minutes slower?
From plugging previous races into the McMillan calculator and also just from racing experience. Getting to know what specific efforts feel like. Knowing "I can sustain this for another mile" etc.
http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/mcmillanrunningcalculator.htm0 -
My marathon pace is 30 seconds slower than Half marathon pace.
My long run pace is 30 seconds slower than my marathon pace.
My recovery / ez pace (days after hard runs / races / etc) is 30-45 seconds slower then my long run pace.0 -
I'm a lot slower than many here too and don't have much difference in my training vs. race. However, I've only completed one official race, but many runs on my own.
LSD pace: 11 or 11:30 /mile
HM pace: 10:28
I'm working on upping my training pace to be what my HM pace was as I felt fantastic during that whole thing.0 -
Looks like most of you have a really big difference between your training paces and race paces. I have a much harder time with this. How do you know what is a sustainable race pace if all of your training paces are 1-2 minutes slower?
I use this spreadsheet: http://www.electricblues.com/html/runpro.html
I plugged in the race I was happiest with (a 7:01min/mi 10K) and have my new HM goal of 7:20min/mi for this May (current is 8min/mi). I'm also going to work for the other goals too (6:04mi/6:min/mi 5K), but I feel the FM time it gives is a bit too subjective as FMs rely a lot on strategy rather than solely on physical fitness.
And my prescribed 65% training pace is 9:55. I run around a 9:00-10:30. We're all good here.
Set your goals, and make sure they are achievable and time-measurable.0 -
Looks like most of you have a really big difference between your training paces and race paces. I have a much harder time with this. How do you know what is a sustainable race pace if all of your training paces are 1-2 minutes slower?
I use this spreadsheet: http://www.electricblues.com/html/runpro.html
I plugged in the race I was happiest with (a 7:01min/mi 10K) and have my new HM goal of 7:20min/mi for this May (current is 8min/mi). I'm also going to work for the other goals too (6:04mi/6:min/mi 5K), but I feel the FM time it gives is a bit too subjective as FMs rely a lot on strategy rather than solely on physical fitness.
And my prescribed 65% training pace is 9:55. I run around a 9:00-10:30. We're all good here.
Set your goals, and make sure they are achievable and time-measurable.
Wonderful spreadsheet! Thanks for that. According to the spreadsheet, my MP is 8:53, which is almost laughable. I guess it gives me something to strive for!0 -
Looks like most of you have a really big difference between your training paces and race paces. I have a much harder time with this. How do you know what is a sustainable race pace if all of your training paces are 1-2 minutes slower?
I use this spreadsheet: http://www.electricblues.com/html/runpro.html
I plugged in the race I was happiest with (a 7:01min/mi 10K) and have my new HM goal of 7:20min/mi for this May (current is 8min/mi). I'm also going to work for the other goals too (6:04mi/6:min/mi 5K), but I feel the FM time it gives is a bit too subjective as FMs rely a lot on strategy rather than solely on physical fitness.
And my prescribed 65% training pace is 9:55. I run around a 9:00-10:30. We're all good here.
Set your goals, and make sure they are achievable and time-measurable.
Wonderful spreadsheet! Thanks for that. According to the spreadsheet, my MP is 8:53, which is almost laughable. I guess it gives me something to strive for!
You probably have an 8:53 in you and don't even know it.0 -
Training Pace: 10-11 min mile up to 9 miles so far. Hoping to keep pace while I increase mileage.
5k Pace- fastest is right at a 9 min mile. I'm hoping to break that soon!0 -
Okay I'll throw my info out there for the less fast people in the group
Training pace: 10:00 - 11:00 for up to 16 miles. Usually 10:30
So far it seens like I have an unlimited capcity for more slow miles.
HM pace: 10:01. Can't shake it.
5k pace: 8:37
Haven't trained for the marathon yet, but my plan right now is to run it basically the same as my training pace, since I can't speed up for a HM. Which means a 20 mile training run won't give me enough time on my feet, so on those days I may walk a little after the running part to balance it out.
How about you try a 10K pace instead?
Instead of what?0 -
Okay I'll throw my info out there for the less fast people in the group
Training pace: 10:00 - 11:00 for up to 16 miles. Usually 10:30
So far it seens like I have an unlimited capcity for more slow miles.
HM pace: 10:01. Can't shake it.
5k pace: 8:37
Haven't trained for the marathon yet, but my plan right now is to run it basically the same as my training pace, since I can't speed up for a HM. Which means a 20 mile training run won't give me enough time on my feet, so on those days I may walk a little after the running part to balance it out.
How about you try a 10K pace instead?
Instead of what?
Instead of trying to maintain a new pace for a HM.0 -
The program I use has a recovery pace (11:19 - 10:04, for me), and a base pace (10:03 - 9:08). My HM pace is 8:17 and my theoretical marathon pace (I haven't run one yet) is 8:35, so almost 30 secs. slower. I am in a base building phase right now, so most of my running is 9 - 10 minute range. I am chomping at the bit a little at that speed, but I am sticking with the program, as I believe it is the key to avoiding injury.0
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I know I should be more concerned about pace, but right now, it's not something that is super important to me. I generally just run however fast I feel like running. I don't really think about it. I know I naturally set out at a slower pace when I have a really long run ahead of me and conversely I'll push myself when it's a shorter run. I usually run in the low 9:xx/mile on most training runs; my 1/2 marathon PR is just under 1:53; however I seem to be a ~4:30 marathoner. I'd like to see that come down, but like I said, it's not my biggest concern. For me, feeling good while running trumps speed.
ETA: I also have this strange medical history of fainting easily, so that could be why how I *feel* trumps everything else. So far, I've never fainted on a run, so that alone is a victory for me.0 -
wow. I totally suck at running. Im too embarrassed to put up my numbers after reading this thread.
That's how I'm feeling, lol. Geeze all you people are FAST!!!
I'm hoping for a sub-5:00 first marathon. I know I can run faster than that, BUT it'll be my first, so I'm going to start out a lot slower than I would normally since I'm not sure what to expect. That whole "only training to 20 miles" kind of freaks me out a little. We'll see how it goes.0 -
wow. I totally suck at running. Im too embarrassed to put up my numbers after reading this thread.
That's how I'm feeling, lol. Geeze all you people are FAST!!!
I'm hoping for a sub-5:00 first marathon. I know I can run faster than that, BUT it'll be my first, so I'm going to start out a lot slower than I would normally since I'm not sure what to expect. That whole "only training to 20 miles" kind of freaks me out a little. We'll see how it goes.
For your first marathon, go to McMillan's site, plug in your most recent Half Marathon time, find out what it predicts for a marathon time based on your half, then add 20 minutes to that. That should be a good goal.0 -
wow. I totally suck at running. Im too embarrassed to put up my numbers after reading this thread.
That's how I'm feeling, lol. Geeze all you people are FAST!!!
I'm hoping for a sub-5:00 first marathon. I know I can run faster than that, BUT it'll be my first, so I'm going to start out a lot slower than I would normally since I'm not sure what to expect. That whole "only training to 20 miles" kind of freaks me out a little. We'll see how it goes.
For your first marathon, go to McMillan's site, plug in your most recent Half Marathon time, find out what it predicts for a marathon time based on your half, then add 20 minutes to that. That should be a good goal.
So if you do this then do you readjust your pace right from the start? Or go with the pace McMillan suggests and assume you won't be able to maintain it and those extra minutes are going to come at the end? I am hoping to maintain an even pace throughout but maybe that's not realistic?0 -
If I remember correctly, my Hal Higdon marathon book suggests starting out slower than you think you should be (by like 30-60 seconds), and then speeding up later on (I can't remember the exact mileage, but I think a little over half way).
For me, I think I'm going to start out slow (probably 11-11:30 minute/mile pace), for atleast the first half, then if I'm still feeling good, I'll try to pick it up to 10:30 until mile 20, and then maybe 10:00 after 20....but who knows how this'll go because I've never completed one before, lol...so I may end up not speeding up at all...that's just my plan.
I'm really hoping that by starting out slower than I normally would, that I won't hit the infamous "wall".
In general though I'm trying to help myself be open to slower times than normal. I don't want to be mad at myself for not making a "goal time". It's my first, and there will (hopefully) be many more marathons in the future to focus on time.0 -
wow. I totally suck at running. Im too embarrassed to put up my numbers after reading this thread.
That's how I'm feeling, lol. Geeze all you people are FAST!!!
I'm hoping for a sub-5:00 first marathon. I know I can run faster than that, BUT it'll be my first, so I'm going to start out a lot slower than I would normally since I'm not sure what to expect. That whole "only training to 20 miles" kind of freaks me out a little. We'll see how it goes.
For your first marathon, go to McMillan's site, plug in your most recent Half Marathon time, find out what it predicts for a marathon time based on your half, then add 20 minutes to that. That should be a good goal.
So if you do this then do you readjust your pace right from the start? Or go with the pace McMillan suggests and assume you won't be able to maintain it and those extra minutes are going to come at the end? I am hoping to maintain an even pace throughout but maybe that's not realistic?
No, you want to calculate the pace based on McMillan plus 20 minutes. For example, let's say you are a 1:50 half marathoner and you want to run your first marathon. Plug 1:50 into McMillan and it tells you that translates to a 3:51 marathon. McMillan's formulas assume an appropriate level of training for the race distance. My experience and that of many others is that it takes 2 to 3 years of high volume training to be appropriately trained for the marathon. So, for your first one, even if you nail your training program, you will still be under trained. So, we add 20 minutes to McMillan. This means you should expect to run the marathon in about 4:10 or so. Now, you have your projected finish time, you plug THAT number into a race pace calculator like the one at RunningAhead.com to get your pace for a 4:10 marathon. 4:10 comes out to a 9:33 pace, so that is what you should target as the overall pace for the race. Now, what pace you run for each mile is going to depend on a lot of factors. Is the temperature getting hotter as the race goes on? Where are the hills? Is there wind? etc, etc.
So, you have to devise a plan now that you know what you want your average pace to be. There are a couple schools of thought on this. I am in the negative split camp, where you attempt to run the second half faster than the first. There is also another camp that says go out a little faster and hang on as best you can at the end. Make up time in the beginning. I find this to be a foolish tactic.
So, if you are shooting for a 9:33 overall pace, and assuming a flat course with very little wind, I would go out at about 9:50 for the first 2 miles, then dial it down to about 9:35 through 16 to 18. Do a systems check to see how you are feeling and if you are feeling good, start to pick it up, but not too much. Maybe 10 seconds per mile faster. Do that for a mile or two and adjust up or down as need be.
Executing a perfect marathon is very difficult. I have run 4 and every one of them have a different personality and none were executed perfectly, but they are all special.0 -
My training pace has ranged from 30 seconds to 1:30 minutes slower than race pace for my most recent marathons.
The biggest difference was 1:30 when I ran a 4:18 marathon (9:52 pace) and my training pace ranged from 10:30 to 11:15 for my long runs.
My marathon PR pace was about 9:40, and I ran most of my training paces at 10-10:15. So not that far off.
I'm at 9:30-10:00 for my current training pace, so I have yet to see how that will equate to my race pace (I have a marathon coming up).0 -
McMillan's formulas assume an appropriate level of training for the race distance. My experience and that of many others is that it takes 2 to 3 years of high volume training to be appropriately trained for the marathon. So, for your first one, even if you nail your training program, you will still be under trained.
Executing a perfect marathon is very difficult. I have run 4 and every one of them have a different personality and none were executed perfectly, but they are all special.
I love this! 100% agreeee! According to those calculators I should be running a 3:20 something marathon... haha I can see it happening, maybe in 5-6 years if I continue running at the level I'm running at, but as far as right now i'm happy with just sub 9 min pace hahah0