Feeling Fat
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I'm all about American Eagles jeans especially the jeggings. Super stretchy and I suffer from small waist, bigger leg/booty syndrome too. They fit just nice!0
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Holding on to my big skirts/dresses is helping me tremendously.
Putting on my thin fitting size 6's didn't. I definitely had a fatty day the other day.
Stretchy pants.
Dresses (Wrap and sweater dresses)
Skirts
jeggings/wooley tights
play up winter folks!!!
and press on- keep looking to your lifts for affirmation that you ARE making progress!!!
you 'kin do it!
lol!! fortunately i live up in boston so i can hide all winter long
unfortunately i have to wear niceish clothes to work daily. while i can layer and layer my pants not closing is going to be a problem! ill eventually have to guy bigger pants.. ive got 5 pairs of size 0 pants (7 actually, NYC just had a BOGO sale.. i should have bought a size bigger now that I think of it!!), and 2 pairs of size 2 pants...
what do you ladies do for jeans in general??? i have an incredibly tough time finding pants that fit. I have a tiny waist (24.5 prebulk) and big hips/butt (36.5 pre bulk).
I'm from Boston! Living in Connecticut now.
I'm also having the same problem. My 0s are getting too tight. I buy the Gap curvy fit jeans. Seem to work best for me.0 -
i just ate 3 oreos. my sore glutes were calling out for them !0
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I have the same small waist/big thighs issue too. I've found that Gap and Lucky work and sometimes Old Navy. Going to have to give American Eagle a try!0
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I haven't been in American Eagle in years!! I also have a small waist/big butt and thighs. I really like the Old Navy Rock Star jeans...they fit really nicely!0
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As I posted earlier I'm only 4 weeks in and not feeling fat yet. My tops are getting tight but I think that's mainly due to bloating and the food baby.
So when did you start to get/feel fat?
I just really want to know at roughly what point I have to brace myself and expect to balloon
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So when did you start to get/feel fat?
I just really want to know at roughly what point I have to brace myself and expect to balloon
For me it was right around the 5 week mark.0 -
I'm on week three and one week I went- damn I am filling out nice- there was ... I think a refeed affect that happened.
And then the next week I was like- FUG I feel bloated.
But it's not been super noticeable- I expect it to really hit in 2-3 weeks since I'm mentally bracing for it already.0 -
Thanks for the pants suggestions, ladies! I have a few pairs of lucky in size 26 and 27... The 26's got too big for me when I really slimmed down so I am hoping they start to fit again. They would stretch out a lot at the waist and be too big. I'll have to take a look at old navy and gap though! I have some AE jeans that still fit from 5-6 years and if the ones that have made it are awesome! I popped the material in my quads on the skinny jeans years ago getting them on ooops...
I started feeling fat around week 4 I think...0 -
2-3 weeks in a cut then 2-3 wks in a bulk seems like F'ing torture to me. But in reality what's the point? You can't make significant gains in such short bulk cycles and unless your drastically cutting in those short cycles your progress will lack. I think this is designed for people who are afraid of the reality of bulking; face it you will gain fat. Your level of fat gain is going to depend on how much of a surplus you're in and if your lifting is up to par; also if you throw in cardio here and there. Sorry, I rather do it the tried and tested way then to take that approach and possibly never reach my goals.
Lol the whole thing is pretty hard though! I just want to stuff my face most of the time. Are you saying that it's the accumulative effect of the bulk cycle that gets the muscle on, like as you get towards the end of a bulk and are lifting really heavy, that's when the most LBM goes on? Otherwise, what's the difference in the time periods? Is it the mind set? I prefer knowing I'm soon coming out of cut and giving my lepton levels a kick up the butt. I find my appetite and mr slows down quickly in a cut, even when I'm only going under 300 cals below maintenance. The idea of being in another cut makes me feel weepy!
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. Bad night.
Anyways, what you're describing is more of body recomp. You can make minimal muscle gain with minimal fat gain but the process is long, tedious and most don't have the patience for it bc it can take months even years. You're also jumping the gun thinking any gain in a bulk is pure LBM which couldn't be farther from the truth. Unless you have help from extra testosterone you are not going to put on lbs of pure muscle each month and it doesn't happen in a week, 2 weeks etc. It happens over time. Bulking with the intention of fat gain is the fastest way to put on new muscle mass. Either simply remove the fear of gaining weight or don't bulk until you're ready to do so.
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. .?
Are you expressing annoyance with my experience and suggestions? Forgive me if I read this as a bit patronising.
I made incredible muscle gains with 4 weeks of ud2 . Yes that's 3.5 DAYS on a cut/bulk cycle. Just when you're beginning to feel horrible and fat it all comes off again. If there's a way to not feel fat I'm all for it. As you were all unhappy about this I just thought it may be pertinent to mention another way to grow muscles. Not just recomp. My best friends a doctor an athlete and she couldn't believe what she was seeing and how fast it was.
Anyway, I was quite excited to find some female kindred spirits here. I really think there are new and better ways to bulk which don't involve feeling like jaba the hut for weeks/months on end. There's no need to feel like there's just one way and life is too short.
I'm going to try 2/3 week cycles. Fat can **** off. I'd rather be lean than spend the winter feeling a tight bloated waistband.0 -
2-3 weeks in a cut then 2-3 wks in a bulk seems like F'ing torture to me. But in reality what's the point? You can't make significant gains in such short bulk cycles and unless your drastically cutting in those short cycles your progress will lack. I think this is designed for people who are afraid of the reality of bulking; face it you will gain fat. Your level of fat gain is going to depend on how much of a surplus you're in and if your lifting is up to par; also if you throw in cardio here and there. Sorry, I rather do it the tried and tested way then to take that approach and possibly never reach my goals.
Lol the whole thing is pretty hard though! I just want to stuff my face most of the time. Are you saying that it's the accumulative effect of the bulk cycle that gets the muscle on, like as you get towards the end of a bulk and are lifting really heavy, that's when the most LBM goes on? Otherwise, what's the difference in the time periods? Is it the mind set? I prefer knowing I'm soon coming out of cut and giving my lepton levels a kick up the butt. I find my appetite and mr slows down quickly in a cut, even when I'm only going under 300 cals below maintenance. The idea of being in another cut makes me feel weepy!
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. Bad night.
Anyways, what you're describing is more of body recomp. You can make minimal muscle gain with minimal fat gain but the process is long, tedious and most don't have the patience for it bc it can take months even years. You're also jumping the gun thinking any gain in a bulk is pure LBM which couldn't be farther from the truth. Unless you have help from extra testosterone you are not going to put on lbs of pure muscle each month and it doesn't happen in a week, 2 weeks etc. It happens over time. Bulking with the intention of fat gain is the fastest way to put on new muscle mass. Either simply remove the fear of gaining weight or don't bulk until you're ready to do so.
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. .?
Are you expressing annoyance with my experience and suggestions? Forgive me if I read this as a bit patronising.
I made incredible muscle gains with 4 weeks of ud2 . Yes that's 3.5 DAYS on a cut/bulk cycle. Just when you're beginning to feel horrible and fat it all comes off again. If there's a way to not feel fat I'm all for it. As you were all unhappy about this I just thought it may be pertinent to mention another way to grow muscles. Not just recomp. My best friends a doctor an athlete and she couldn't believe what she was seeing and how fast it was.
Anyway, I was quite excited to find some female kindred spirits here. I really think there are new and better ways to bulk which don't involve feeling like jaba the hut for weeks/months on end. There's no need to feel like there's just one way and life is too short.
I'm going to try 2/3 week cycles. Fat can **** off. I'd rather be lean than spend the winter feeling a tight bloated waistband.
Thank you for posting about your experience. I'd only heard of longer clean/dirty bulk cycles and body recomp... this is very interesting!0 -
2-3 weeks in a cut then 2-3 wks in a bulk seems like F'ing torture to me. But in reality what's the point? You can't make significant gains in such short bulk cycles and unless your drastically cutting in those short cycles your progress will lack. I think this is designed for people who are afraid of the reality of bulking; face it you will gain fat. Your level of fat gain is going to depend on how much of a surplus you're in and if your lifting is up to par; also if you throw in cardio here and there. Sorry, I rather do it the tried and tested way then to take that approach and possibly never reach my goals.
Lol the whole thing is pretty hard though! I just want to stuff my face most of the time. Are you saying that it's the accumulative effect of the bulk cycle that gets the muscle on, like as you get towards the end of a bulk and are lifting really heavy, that's when the most LBM goes on? Otherwise, what's the difference in the time periods? Is it the mind set? I prefer knowing I'm soon coming out of cut and giving my lepton levels a kick up the butt. I find my appetite and mr slows down quickly in a cut, even when I'm only going under 300 cals below maintenance. The idea of being in another cut makes me feel weepy!
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. Bad night.
Anyways, what you're describing is more of body recomp. You can make minimal muscle gain with minimal fat gain but the process is long, tedious and most don't have the patience for it bc it can take months even years. You're also jumping the gun thinking any gain in a bulk is pure LBM which couldn't be farther from the truth. Unless you have help from extra testosterone you are not going to put on lbs of pure muscle each month and it doesn't happen in a week, 2 weeks etc. It happens over time. Bulking with the intention of fat gain is the fastest way to put on new muscle mass. Either simply remove the fear of gaining weight or don't bulk until you're ready to do so.
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. .?
Are you expressing annoyance with my experience and suggestions? Forgive me if I read this as a bit patronising.
I made incredible muscle gains with 4 weeks of ud2 . Yes that's 3.5 DAYS on a cut/bulk cycle. Just when you're beginning to feel horrible and fat it all comes off again. If there's a way to not feel fat I'm all for it. As you were all unhappy about this I just thought it may be pertinent to mention another way to grow muscles. Not just recomp. My best friends a doctor an athlete and she couldn't believe what she was seeing and how fast it was.
Anyway, I was quite excited to find some female kindred spirits here. I really think there are new and better ways to bulk which don't involve feeling like jaba the hut for weeks/months on end. There's no need to feel like there's just one way and life is too short.
I'm going to try 2/3 week cycles. Fat can **** off. I'd rather be lean than spend the winter feeling a tight bloated waistband.
Well the best of luck to you!0 -
2-3 weeks in a cut then 2-3 wks in a bulk seems like F'ing torture to me. But in reality what's the point? You can't make significant gains in such short bulk cycles and unless your drastically cutting in those short cycles your progress will lack. I think this is designed for people who are afraid of the reality of bulking; face it you will gain fat. Your level of fat gain is going to depend on how much of a surplus you're in and if your lifting is up to par; also if you throw in cardio here and there. Sorry, I rather do it the tried and tested way then to take that approach and possibly never reach my goals.
Lol the whole thing is pretty hard though! I just want to stuff my face most of the time. Are you saying that it's the accumulative effect of the bulk cycle that gets the muscle on, like as you get towards the end of a bulk and are lifting really heavy, that's when the most LBM goes on? Otherwise, what's the difference in the time periods? Is it the mind set? I prefer knowing I'm soon coming out of cut and giving my lepton levels a kick up the butt. I find my appetite and mr slows down quickly in a cut, even when I'm only going under 300 cals below maintenance. The idea of being in another cut makes me feel weepy!
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. Bad night.
Anyways, what you're describing is more of body recomp. You can make minimal muscle gain with minimal fat gain but the process is long, tedious and most don't have the patience for it bc it can take months even years. You're also jumping the gun thinking any gain in a bulk is pure LBM which couldn't be farther from the truth. Unless you have help from extra testosterone you are not going to put on lbs of pure muscle each month and it doesn't happen in a week, 2 weeks etc. It happens over time. Bulking with the intention of fat gain is the fastest way to put on new muscle mass. Either simply remove the fear of gaining weight or don't bulk until you're ready to do so.
I'm better rested and not agitated to answer this appropriately. .?
Are you expressing annoyance with my experience and suggestions? Forgive me if I read this as a bit patronising.
I made incredible muscle gains with 4 weeks of ud2 . Yes that's 3.5 DAYS on a cut/bulk cycle. Just when you're beginning to feel horrible and fat it all comes off again. If there's a way to not feel fat I'm all for it. As you were all unhappy about this I just thought it may be pertinent to mention another way to grow muscles. Not just recomp. My best friends a doctor an athlete and she couldn't believe what she was seeing and how fast it was.
Anyway, I was quite excited to find some female kindred spirits here. I really think there are new and better ways to bulk which don't involve feeling like jaba the hut for weeks/months on end. There's no need to feel like there's just one way and life is too short.
I'm going to try 2/3 week cycles. Fat can **** off. I'd rather be lean than spend the winter feeling a tight bloated waistband.
Thank you for posting about your experience. I'd only heard of longer clean/dirty bulk cycles and body recomp... this is very interesting!
Well the proof is in the pudding! We will see. This is an idea of Lyle McDonalds, and his diets cost a few bucks but they are very interesting. There's quite a few people out there advocating shorter cycles. I'd really like someone to explain why it's better to do long cycles though? I've asked around and have theories but still....on the surface it makes sense, the body has time to adapt and get into a mode etc.
But I think the body responds to change ie sudden short fat loss periods, it's well known that the body needs diet breaks every few weeks to get Leptin up again. Yes you gain fat on short bulk cycles and lose muscle on short fat loss cycles but I don't think the percentages are any different. I'm totally open minded though and love to learn.
I'll let you know how it goes! Though not sure if I'm technically a 'bulker' and belong on this forum!
Happy muscle building!0 -
Well the proof is in the pudding! We will see. This is an idea of Lyle McDonalds, and his diets cost a few bucks but they are very interesting. There's quite a few people out there advocating shorter cycles. I'd really like someone to explain why it's better to do long cycles though? I've asked around and have theories but still....on the surface it makes sense, the body has time to adapt and get into a mode etc.
But I think the body responds to change ie sudden short fat loss periods, it's well known that the body needs diet breaks every few weeks to get Leptin up again. Yes you gain fat on short bulk cycles and lose muscle on short fat loss cycles but I don't think the percentages are any different. I'm totally open minded though and love to learn.
I'll let you know how it goes! Though not sure if I'm technically a 'bulker' and belong on this forum!
Happy muscle building!
You absolutely belong in this group--we have long-term bulkers, body recompers, lurkers, and now short-term bulkers. All are welcome!0 -
Well the proof is in the pudding! We will see. This is an idea of Lyle McDonalds, and his diets cost a few bucks but they are very interesting. There's quite a few people out there advocating shorter cycles. I'd really like someone to explain why it's better to do long cycles though? I've asked around and have theories but still....on the surface it makes sense, the body has time to adapt and get into a mode etc.
But I think the body responds to change ie sudden short fat loss periods, it's well known that the body needs diet breaks every few weeks to get Leptin up again. Yes you gain fat on short bulk cycles and lose muscle on short fat loss cycles but I don't think the percentages are any different. I'm totally open minded though and love to learn.
I'll let you know how it goes! Though not sure if I'm technically a 'bulker' and belong on this forum!
Happy muscle building!
LOL Wut??
the body responds to fat loss periods?
the body doesn't respond to fat loss. the body is doing the fat loss. and no it doesn't respond to fat loss periods. That's the way weight loss and weight gain work- nothing nothing nothing then SNAP.
That's why longer consistent work- works.
weekly/monthly averages are king. So as long as your 3:2 or whatever split you are doing is having you eat over the course still at a surplus- it would work. Again weekly average.
But if your goal is to "just stay lean" then no- bulking doesn't sound like where you want to be.
If the goal is to gain size- then yes- you absolutely belong here- how ever you go about doing it.
But bulking = putting on muscle- but that comes with putting on fat. You can't have both. It's just not happening- especially for women- we are already at a strong disadvantage. Fat is going to happen. At some point you need to shoulder up an accept it if you want to improve lifts and gain size.0 -
also copying this from a response by Waldo... he was respnding to "should I maintaine high calories for off training days"
think it's appropriate talking about splitting a rotating bulking/cutting into week increments or what notMuscle growth is an all the time thing. By not maintaining a consistent calorie surplus you are limiting potential your growth rate.
The idea that on nontraining days the gain ratio skews more toward fat (hence the reason to reduce/eliminate your surplus) is nothing more than unfounded speculation. If there is a difference, it is so small to be below the threshold of what can reasonably be measured. Cleaner gains when carb cycling is more a function of the tiny overall surplus you tend to have than the timing for the calories/macros.
That said, it also depends on how you determine your goals and count. If you don't count exercise and keep a constant intake, your surplus will be bigger on nontraining days than on training days. If you use MFP as designed and count exercise cals, your intake will vary but your surplus will be a constant.0 -
Well the proof is in the pudding! We will see. This is an idea of Lyle McDonalds, and his diets cost a few bucks but they are very interesting. There's quite a few people out there advocating shorter cycles. I'd really like someone to explain why it's better to do long cycles though? I've asked around and have theories but still....on the surface it makes sense, the body has time to adapt and get into a mode etc.
But I think the body responds to change ie sudden short fat loss periods, it's well known that the body needs diet breaks every few weeks to get Leptin up again. Yes you gain fat on short bulk cycles and lose muscle on short fat loss cycles but I don't think the percentages are any different. I'm totally open minded though and love to learn.
I'll let you know how it goes! Though not sure if I'm technically a 'bulker' and belong on this forum!
Happy muscle building!
LOL Wut??
the body responds to fat loss periods?
the body doesn't respond to fat loss. the body is doing the fat loss. and no it doesn't respond to fat loss periods. That's the way weight loss and weight gain work- nothing nothing nothing then SNAP.
That's why longer consistent work- works.
weekly/monthly averages are king. So as long as your 3:2 or whatever split you are doing is having you eat over the course still at a surplus- it would work. Again weekly average.
But if your goal is to "just stay lean" then no- bulking doesn't sound like where you want to be.
If the goal is to gain size- then yes- you absolutely belong here- how ever you go about doing it.
But bulking = putting on muscle- but that comes with putting on fat. You can't have both. It's just not happening- especially for women- we are already at a strong disadvantage. Fat is going to happen. At some point you need to shoulder up an accept it if you want to improve lifts and gain size.
The body (well mine at least) does respond to short fat loss periods. Perhaps in between LOLing you could have a read of this. Chris Martinez quoting Layne Norton. As a sprint triathlete I really cannot afford to be oxidizing any more fat than possible after my short bulks.
Cyclical Bulking
“Dude you’re never gonna get jacked if you try to stay lean all year round. You have to eat everything in sight bro!”
Please tell us you’ve heard someone at your gym or local gurus say this? Typically the people that say this, are the ones that don’t care about putting on excess fat during the off-season and that’s completely fine, but we know that we and most of you like to look like bodybuilders year round. With that said, adding a bunch of excess body fat will mean that you have to diet longer and harder to get rid of it come pre-contest, leading to more muscle loss during your diet, dealing with loose skin, and reversing whatever extra muscle you might have gained by eating like an offensive lineman. Excess body fat can also have negative metabolic effects. Research is showing that adipose tissue (fat) is not just an inert storage tissue. Adipose secretes its own hormones and cytokines (called adipokines) which can have numerous metabolic effects.
Several adipokines secreted from adipose like TNF-? can reduce insulin sensitivity in other tissues like muscle. Not only is this going to make it easier for body fat to accumulate but it may hamper your ability to benefit from the anabolic and anti-catabolic effects of insulin.
So it’s pretty safe to say that eating everything in sight type of approach isn’t the ideal strategy you want to use. Over the past years we have found Dr. Layne Norton’s cyclical bulking method to be very effective at increasing lean body mass while limiting fat gain. Essentially, cyclical bulking consists of anywhere from 4-8 months of bulking mixed with 6-18 week bouts of cutting. Now, please keep in mind that these are just general time frames and this will all depend on the individual. It all depends on how fast your body starts putting on excess fat during the bulk phase and how much excess adipose tissue you want to lose during the cut phase. Now, you are probably reading this and saying why the hell would I even try that? By cycling your bulking and cutting protocols you can take advantage of various metabolic swings that occur in response to bulking and cutting and optimize your body’s response to each. When you first begin cutting after a bulk you are in a prime position to drop body fat as there are several factors working in your favor. Your metabolic rate is elevated from being in a caloric surplus as your levels of T3, leptin, and other hormones that deal with metabolic rate and fat oxidation are all elevated in response to a caloric surplus in order to deal with disposal of all the calories you’ve been eating. When you start dropping calories during a cut, you rapidly drop fat because all these factors are still elevated and your metabolic rate is through the roof and burning calories like no other!
But, after a few months the body will begin adapting to the reduction in calories by reducing T3, leptin and other factors which will in turn cause the metabolic rate to plummet. Also, fat loss grinds to a halt and that’s usually a good indication that it’s time to start bulking again.0 -
also copying this from a response by Waldo... he was respnding to "should I maintaine high calories for off training days"
think it's appropriate talking about splitting a rotating bulking/cutting into week increments or what notMuscle growth is an all the time thing. By not maintaining a consistent calorie surplus you are limiting potential your growth rate.
The idea that on nontraining days the gain ratio skews more toward fat (hence the reason to reduce/eliminate your surplus) is nothing more than unfounded speculation. If there is a difference, it is so small to be below the threshold of what can reasonably be measured. Cleaner gains when carb cycling is more a function of the tiny overall surplus you tend to have than the timing for the calories/macros.
That said, it also depends on how you determine your goals and count. If you don't count exercise and keep a constant intake, your surplus will be bigger on nontraining days than on training days. If you use MFP as designed and count exercise cals, your intake will vary but your surplus will be a constant.
Thanks. Yes it's interesting. One of my gurus Lyle MacDonald, who's diets I've tried and tested with amazing results, has this to say. Even though the difference may be small, these extra fat grams add up to lbs and seeing as we are micro managing anyway it may be worth considering a smaller excess on non lifting days.
Quote- Lyle MacDonald
Now, although this is a slightly different topic, I entreat trainees not to take the ‘Eat enough to gain’ to the opposite extreme. While GFH (look it up) can work for many people, eating so much food that a trainee gains a disproportionate amount of fat is just as much of a mistake as not eating enough in the first place.
Unless you’re a sumo wrestler or football lineman, eventually the fat has to come off; the more you put on while gaining muscle mass, the longer you have to diet. Which is not only a psychological chore but often results in performance or muscle mass losses (especially if you diet badly).
What I’m getting at is some optimum level, an intake sufficient to provide sufficient calories and protein for muscle growth without becoming a total fat-*kitten*. Which isn’t very helpful without some starting points which I’ll present now.
Muscle magazine claims notwithstanding, a natural trainee is usually doing damn well to gain 0.5 pounds of muscle per week (and a female might gain half of that). Yes, you’ll occasionally see a faster rate of gain but much more than that (especially for sustained periods) tends to be rare.
And while that may not sound like much, realize that a 0.5 lb per week muscle gain over the course of a year comes out to 26 pounds of lean body mass. And most won’t get that past their first year of training.
However, to get that rate of muscle mass gain will usually require some amount of fat gain, depending on how much over maintenance you’re eating, this might be an additional half pound of fat per week. So a reasonable weekly or monthly weight gain rate might be 1 pound per week or 4 pounds per month of which about half should be muscle and the other half fat.
Short dieting cycles can be inserted to take off the fat of course, a number of people on my forum have been using the Rapid Fat Loss Handbook to strip off fat between short bulking cycles so that they can get back to normal training.
I’d note that this shouldn’t take a huge number of calories over maintenance. Assuming a trainee is not burning off excessive calories through either a ton of cardio (or NEAT), you’re not looking at much more than 500 calories over maintenance to support about the maximum rate of muscle gain for a natural lifter. I’d suggest putting a majority of that on training days (and around training) with a lesser surplus on non-training days. That should help keep fat gains down somewhat.0 -
Well the proof is in the pudding! We will see. This is an idea of Lyle McDonalds, and his diets cost a few bucks but they are very interesting. There's quite a few people out there advocating shorter cycles. I'd really like someone to explain why it's better to do long cycles though? I've asked around and have theories but still....on the surface it makes sense, the body has time to adapt and get into a mode etc.
But I think the body responds to change ie sudden short fat loss periods, it's well known that the body needs diet breaks every few weeks to get Leptin up again. Yes you gain fat on short bulk cycles and lose muscle on short fat loss cycles but I don't think the percentages are any different. I'm totally open minded though and love to learn.
I'll let you know how it goes! Though not sure if I'm technically a 'bulker' and belong on this forum!
Happy muscle building!
You absolutely belong in this group--we have long-term bulkers, body recompers, lurkers, and now short-term bulkers. All are welcome!
Thank you Primal Runner. How's the bulk going? What weight/how long are you planning on going? I'm going to reassess after Xmas, at hopefully 130lbs.0 -
Springfield, most of us doing exactly what's being recommended, we are doing a lean or clean bulk eating about 250-300 calories over our TDEE. What isn't specified is what does a 'short bulk' and a 'short diet cycle' look like? I'm guessing what he's referring to is a person that bulks for a few months then adds a week or two of either more cardio, or eating at maintenance calorie to burn off a little of the inevitable fat gain. However, if doing the bulk in the lean way to begin with,you should be keeping fat gain as low as possible, however while gaining weight, some amount of fat is indeed inevitable. :drinker:0
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Springfield, most of us doing exactly what's being recommended, we are doing a lean or clean bulk eating about 250-300 calories over our TDEE. What isn't specified is what does a 'short bulk' and a 'short diet cycle' look like? I'm guessing what he's referring to is a person that bulks for a few months then adds a week or two of either more cardio, or eating at maintenance calorie to burn off a little of the inevitable fat gain. However, if doing the bulk in the lean way to begin with,you should be keeping fat gain as low as possible, however while gaining weight, some amount of fat is indeed inevitable. :drinker:
Exactly. I will have to find the Vlog too where he refers to this but his cycles that he runs is a bulk for 6-8 wks, cut for 2-3; not every few days or 1-2 wks of both. Plus this is LAYNE NORTON, an icon that's been doing this for many years. What works for him may not work for the average joe.0 -
Essentially, cyclical bulking consists of anywhere from 4-8 months of bulking mixed with 6-18 week bouts of cutting. Now, please keep in mind that these are just general time frames and this will all depend on the individual
4-8 months is not a short time frame- that's fairly typical... not a shocker. Maybe my reading comprehension is WAY off (it's possible- I've been known to gloss/speed read and miss crucial stuff) but I thought I saw an implication for cycling DAYS of cutting and bulking- which just isn't really that effective.
I fully support doing several months of bulk and then a maintenance and/or cut- it makes perfect sense- I don't consider that to be short. I consider DAYS to be short and not effective. I guess maybe I miss read something somewhere.
yes- bulk- eat suprlus- try to not get super fat- but expect to not be thrilled with how you look.
Be thrilled with how you lift.
when it comes time- eat deficit- look fabulous- still be strong.
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