Season 4 - Ep. 14 - "The Grove" - 03/16/14
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This thread serves as a place to discuss speculation, and then reaction to the 03/09/14 episode
PLEASE REMEMBER TO NOT DISCUSS COMIC BOOK SPOILERS IN EPISODE/SEASON THREADS
Only 3 episodes left of the season!!
AMC Sneak Peek:
http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-414-the-walking-dead-the-grove
YouTube Promo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td1ODocJv2w
BONUS SECOND PREVIEW FROM THE TALKING DEAD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n92WPWH-LMU
PLEASE REMEMBER TO NOT DISCUSS COMIC BOOK SPOILERS IN EPISODE/SEASON THREADS
Only 3 episodes left of the season!!
AMC Sneak Peek:
http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-414-the-walking-dead-the-grove
YouTube Promo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td1ODocJv2wBONUS SECOND PREVIEW FROM THE TALKING DEAD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n92WPWH-LMU 0
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Wow! My jaw dropped. That was such a great, family-friendly way to spend a Sunday evening. :laugh:
That was one creepy little girl. I agree that they had to do it. You couldn't stay with her knowing any second she could make the decision to kill you, so she could take care of you. Poor Carol though..That's a lot of stuff to put on her. I wish Tyreese had offered to do it, but Lizzie was more likely to go into the woods for a talk with Carol I suppose.
I thought for a few seconds that Lizzie was going to pull a gun on Carol when they were standing near the yellow flowers.0 -
One of the better episodes of this half of the season. Such strength in Carol - when will she break... talk about an emotional rollercoaster. We're safe, no we aren't and it is because one of our own and a child at that.
I think Tyrese was able to forgive her because he saw that she does what is needed for the greater good including shooting a very messed up little girl.0 -
Can I just say that the little girl that played Lizzie was amazing - she had the psycho-ness down to a T.
Loved this episode, although most had figured out the rat feedings at the prison, still glad to have gotten some answers and resolution.0 -
O...M...G!
What an incredible episode. The two actresses that played those little girls were/are just amazing. Especially Lizzie. I have never liked her character, but damn if her heartbreaking breakdown over killing the walkers didn't get to me. Carol is such an amazing character, and so, so strong. I'm in the same boat as a previous poster, when will it finally be too much for her? She manages to make all the impssible decisions, and does it with little visible emotion.
Also, I kinda hoped that when Lizzie killed Mika that she would have come back and gone after Lizzie. Just so maybe she would have finally understood that you can't actually come back.0 -
Yeah, I'm still stunned by that episode.
I figured Tyrese would forgive Carol. I mean, if he didn't, then he would be stuck with caring for Judith on his own or killing her, and in spite of how angry he got over Karen's death, I just don't think he is a killer.
I really wanted them to let Lizzie stay with Mika until she turned also, but then again, it probably wouldn't have convinced her and then they would have two little zombie girls to deal with.
This, in my opinion, was the best performance of the season.0 -
Absolutely stunned at the end of that episode.
Well written, brilliantly acted. I agree, probably the best episode of the season.
I was afraid Carol was going to confess when walking in the Grove. If she had, I think Tyrese would have killed her in rage. By the time she did, I think he saw her more in the light you all are saying.
I'm really looking forward to the final two episodes of the season, but dreading it being over.0 -
I was so stunned when Carol and Tyreese came back and found what Lizzie had done. My jaw dropped. The girl who played Lizzie was a great little actress. I must admit I did cry when Carol had to shoot Lizzie, telling her to just look at the flowers. Was so sad.
Great episode though. I am glad Carol confessed to Tyreese too. I knew he would forgive her.
Can't wait for the last 2 episodes!0 -
Wow. That's pretty much the only way that I can describe this episode. That being said I think that was the best episode of the second half....if not the whole season. Carol has become such an amazing character. I would have never thought that back in season one.
I don't think anyone of us were surprised that Lizzie was the one feeding the walkers at the prison. I think she might have had some serious mental issues before the **** hit the fan. Mika had said to her on several different occasions to look at the flowers to calm down. Maybe that was something she learned from a therapist before?? Maybe she was schizophrenic also because she told Mika that she heard the zombies talking to her.
My heart broke when I saw what Lizzie did to Mika. I honestly thought that it was going to be Baby Judith that she attacked. Good thing that Tyrese and Carol came back when they did because she did say that she was going to kill Judith too. I think that it was difficult for Carol to deal with Mika because she reminded her too much of Sophia.
I don't think that Carol had a choice in killing Lizzie. They couldn't possibly have her around the baby....she's way too much of a liability. Leaving her to fend for herself would have been too cruel. I think what Carol did was the best way. And Carol's obviously gotten stronger because she couldn't bring herself to kill Sophia once she turned but she knew that she had to do this to Lizzie. I wonder if Lizzie knew it was coming or not? Probably not considering she thought that Carol was mad because she pointed her gun at her....not because she killed her sister.
I'm so relieved that Tyrese was able to forgive Carol. I think that after all that they've gone through he was able to understand that she wasn't being malicious, she was just trying to protect the group. Plus I'm sure he knows that having her there will give him and Baby Judith a better chance to survive. They mentioned on the Talking Dead that the puzzle that was on the table was actually a picture of Sophia in her rainbow shirt. It was something that the director did to add a little bit of extra emotion to the scene. I think it definitely helped. This was a powerful episode.0 -
Do you think that the smoke that they were seeing was the moonshine shack that Daryl and Beth burned down? It's so frustrating to think that they might be so close to each other yet so far away!!!0
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Do you think that the smoke that they were seeing was the moonshine shack that Daryl and Beth burned down? It's so frustrating to think that they might be so close to each other yet so far away!!!
That was my thought initially, and I suppose it could still be. There were walkers attracted to the flames of the house, but my doubt comes from the length of time it burned. It seemed to be several days before the fire went out and it didn't seem to spread from that one spot, if one can assume that from the shots given us during the show. That would have been the only fire they let us in on to crispy up those walkers though.
Another question to await an answer.0 -
Such an intense and sad episode. The deal with Lizzie has been building up for some time. And earlier in the episode we already saw her lose it..while "playing" with her friend, the walker and then yelling at Carol. At that point I'm sure they were all wondering what they were going to do. Then when she did what she did to Mika...it was obvious this girl was not well and could not be trusted. What else were they going to do. Take her to a psychiatric hospital?? These desperate times call for desperate measures and nobody would be able to sleep with her around. Or leave anyone unattended. Or allow her to have a weapon. They are already stressed day in and day out having to protect themselves from the walkers..let alone a psychotic little girl!
But as this show keeps pointing out...often times the living are more dangerous than the dead!!! At least the dead are predictable.0 -
And I'm pretty certain the smoke they saw was from the fire Daryl and Beth set. I think it's a way of showing US that they are all so close and yet so far from each other. They are all coming across signs to that terminus. And on the railroad tracks. I think they are just missing each other at various times of the day..or maybe different days. I mean when they all ran from the prison, the couldn't have gotten that far on foot..and then the terminus signs are re-routing them to eventually end up in the same place...Hopefully!! Though terminus doesn't sound like a great place to be!!! The name makes me nervous!
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And I'm pretty certain the smoke they saw was from the fire Daryl and Beth set. I think it's a way of showing US that they are all so close and yet so far from each other. They are all coming across signs to that terminus. And on the railroad tracks. I think they are just missing each other at various times of the day..or maybe different days. I mean when they all ran from the prison, the couldn't have gotten that far on foot..and then the terminus signs are re-routing them to eventually end up in the same place...Hopefully!! Though terminus doesn't sound like a great place to be!!! The name makes me nervous!
The one thing that makes me nervous about Terminus is the fact that the preview for next week's episode shows Daryl and the group of thugs on the train tracks as well. I wonder if they're either from Terminus or headed to Terminus.0 -
I felt one of the adults should have stayed back with the girls. I wouldn't leave baby Judith with two older girls. What if both Carol and Tyrese were injured while they were away from the house. At least leave one adult behind to protect the girls.
I have a feeling Terminus is going to be much worse than Woodbury.0 -
I agree with being nervous about terminus, such a weird name. I also think that the fire was definitely the one set by Beth and Daryl, but it is weird that it did not start a forest fire and just put itself out. Also, the Zombie that came out of the house falling over the railing, how did he get past Carol and Tyrese? Was there another door there? I need to rewatch that part, did it open the door? Was it on the porch? and how did the zombie on the tracks walk at first? Did his leg fall off? He was walking, then he was down and it looked like he was missing a leg. And crispy zombies came from the fire, still smoking, that means that Daryl and Beth were super close! UGH, I cannot believe they didn't see the house that Carols group found. I hate that there are only 2 more episodes!0
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Honestly, my only interest in Terminus is seeing Rick and Carl reunite with Baby Judith.
And given that we all figure that they are in the same general area, does it seem odd to anyone else that everyone is presuming that everyone else is dead and not just wandering around in the same general area as the prison?0 -
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Do you think that the smoke that they were seeing was the moonshine shack that Daryl and Beth burned down? It's so frustrating to think that they might be so close to each other yet so far away!!!
That was my thought initially, and I suppose it could still be. There were walkers attracted to the flames of the house, but my doubt comes from the length of time it burned. It seemed to be several days before the fire went out and it didn't seem to spread from that one spot, if one can assume that from the shots given us during the show. That would have been the only fire they let us in on to crispy up those walkers though.
Another question to await an answer.
My first thought was that they were from the fire Darryl and Beth set. Walkers on this show don't bother me at all... Unless they are the crispy kind. :noway:0 -
I do not believe the group Daryl is with, is from Terminus. I think they are tracking Rick, Carl and Michonne and are headed--perhaps unknowingly--to Terminus.
Interesting. How would that group or the guys that were in the house when Rick was sleeping know about Rick, Carl and Michonne? Did they see R/C/M go away or enter the house? I wondered about that. I wondered if they came to the house specifically looking for Rick and Co.0 -
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I do not believe the group Daryl is with, is from Terminus. I think they are tracking Rick, Carl and Michonne and are headed--perhaps unknowingly--to Terminus.
Interesting. How would that group or the guys that were in the house when Rick was sleeping know about Rick, Carl and Michonne? Did they see R/C/M go away or enter the house? I wondered about that. I wondered if they came to the house specifically looking for Rick and Co.
They knew about Michonne--or at least a woman--when they found her laundered shirt at the house. In that episode, you hear them talking about her shirt downstairs right before Rick encounters the guy in the bathroom.
You're right! I remember hearing them say something about a shirt, but I didn't know what to make of it. Unless they've been to that house before or the shirt was newly washed (like hanging up and still wet), I don't know how they'd know it wasn't pre-apocalypse.
I wonder if Daryl is going to use that group to help find Beth.
ETA that HOLY CRAP was that a crazy episode! Once I saw that Lizzie had killed Mika, I said, "Now they have to kill her." I agree that there was nothing else they could reasonably do about her. I'm so glad she didn't kill Judith (I think I'd be so upset I'd have to stop watching if Judith were killed by a live human), and I'm also glad Carol came clean and that Tyrese forgave her.
The interesting thing is, during this episode I thought that Mika really had her *kitten* straight more than anyone else, but after the whole forgiving Carol thing, I think Tyrese really does. Immediately following the Lizzie incident, when Carol was sitting at the table and Tyrese was holding Judith, you could see that Tyrese understood that Carol was insinuating that they had to kill Lizzie, and he was appropriately horrified yet resigned to it. He's really become one of my favorite characters. I'd love to have some backstory on him.0 -
OMG this episode was AWESOME!! and may I just say, kudos to the makeup people, because the crispy walkers....truly looked gruesome! Loved it!
the girls, I was sad about Mika, and wondering if they would ever encounter that story line like they do in the comics (different characters) but when Mika said she knew her sister was messed up, but that she couldn't shoot living things....man....could just feel something bad would come of that...and then Lizzie saying "she knew what she had to do.." Thought she was gonna try and kill Carol to be honest....so sad....0 -
I'd love to have some backstory on him.
As slow as this show is about backstories, it will be at least another 2 seasons before you get it.0 -
I do not believe the group Daryl is with, is from Terminus. I think they are tracking Rick, Carl and Michonne and are headed--perhaps unknowingly--to Terminus.
Interesting. How would that group or the guys that were in the house when Rick was sleeping know about Rick, Carl and Michonne? Did they see R/C/M go away or enter the house? I wondered about that. I wondered if they came to the house specifically looking for Rick and Co.
I wonder if that guy that saw Rick under the bed told his group what he saw when he finally came to.0 -
I think he was dead, not passed out. And I could not make out all the shouting downstairs, I need to rewatch and see if I can understand what they were saying. There was only one other time you could hear them in the background, and it was when Rick was hiding by the porch, I think, and then they were shouting because their friend had turned and was coming for them.0
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If the guy on the bed had choked him to death, I don't think he's have left a dead guy on the floor while he took a nap. We'd have seen him stab him through the head or something, no?
If they're really tracking R/C/M, then I'm glad Daryl is with them 0 -
I'd love to have some backstory on him.
As slow as this show is about backstories, it will be at least another 2 seasons before you get it.
Seriously. Michonne's been on for long enough, and we still don't know much about her.0 -
I think he was dead, not passed out. And I could not make out all the shouting downstairs, I need to rewatch and see if I can understand what they were saying. There was only one other time you could hear them in the background, and it was when Rick was hiding by the porch, I think, and then they were shouting because their friend had turned and was coming for them.
The guy was not dead... he was breathing when Rick crawled out from under the bed.
Think about it. If the bed thief wanted that guy dead, then he would have stabbed him in the head to be sure he didn't turn before he woke up.
And that was a sleeper hold.0 -
Yep, the guy on the floor was conked out - not dead. The guy that Rick killed in the bathroom was dead- that's why Rick cracked open the door - so when he turned he would go out after the others in the group.I think he was dead, not passed out. And I could not make out all the shouting downstairs, I need to rewatch and see if I can understand what they were saying. There was only one other time you could hear them in the background, and it was when Rick was hiding by the porch, I think, and then they were shouting because their friend had turned and was coming for them.
The guy was not dead... he was breathing when Rick crawled out from under the bed.
Think about it. If the bed thief wanted that guy dead, then he would have stabbed him in the head to be sure he didn't turn before he woke up.
And that was a sleeper hold.
Is anyone else thinking Tyreese is a wimp - why did he have Carol go out and kill Lizzie. I like Bob's character much more than Tyreese.
Also, what's the deal with all the natural gas that was available at the house they were occupying? I would think that would have been a rare commodity if it was in a propane tank.
Am looking forward to the Terminus reunion to see who makes it. And, where the heck is Beth???0
