Is having children a right or a privilege?
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if people dont have the right to decide on their bodys own basic functions, then who takes over that right, and who gives it to them?0
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Oh jeez, here we go with God again.
I have my opinion on whether having children was a right or a privilege. I'd ask you to please refrain from insulting religion and just stick to the debate. I am a Christian, so all my answers will be based on God. I don't think you'd appreciate it if every time I disagreed with you, I called you out for being an atheist.
I don't care if you call me out as an atheist. And I don't see how what I said was insulting.....I can be very insulting, and trust me, that wasn't it. But once again, I do see a religious person using God as a justification for morality rather than treating those as they wish to be treated.0 -
Just out of curiosity, where did you get this statement to compass your life?
rather than treating those as they wish to be treated.0 -
I don't care if you call me out as an atheist. And I don't see how what I said was insulting.....I can be very insulting, and trust me, that wasn't it. But once again, I do see a religious person using God as a justification for morality rather than treating those as they wish to be treated.
Come on, you know when you use God's name in vain, it's going to offend people who are religious. You started out your post like that. We can discuss how atheists are grounded in morality in another debate. I treat people the way I want to be treated, by the way, but it never fails that someone who doesn't believe will throw parts of scripture in the faces of those who do believe.
I'm asking that we be respectful in our discussions. I make an effort to do the same to those who believe differently than I.0 -
Just out of curiosity, where did you get this statement to compass your life?
rather than treating those as they wish to be treated.
only one person can lay claim to that idea? :huh:0 -
I wonder what the tooth fairys take on the subject is?0
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I wonder what the tooth fairys take on the subject is?
Surely, we are not going to compare the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, or Santa Claus to God; are we?0 -
Having a baby should be a right because we have a constitution that is supposed to protect our civil liberties in the USA. I never heard the forefathers add an adendum to the Bill of Rights that said "unless things get tough". If we were truly concerned with over population (not just being selfishly concerned with resources), then educating and employing the poor would be our top priority since there is a high correlation between being poor and having tons of kids. It's a survival mechanism as much as it is the cheapest form of entertainment when your bored, added to the fact that we are comulsively driven by biology to do it.
Forget the rest, this was the most important thing he said.0 -
"Well, then I suppose anyone questions the existence of God and don't believe life is a gift from God, then they can just go murder or dispose of people as they "feel" like it. Is that what you wanted to hear?"
I know you said this as Hyperbole, but I think that is slightly more insulting that "Oh jeez, here we go with God again."0 -
Don't you know that some non-believers want their beliefs to be respected but cannot extend the same curtosy to believers?I wonder what the tooth fairys take on the subject is?
Surely, we are not going to compare the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, or Santa Claus to God; are we?0 -
I wonder what the tooth fairys take on the subject is?
Surely, we are not going to compare the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, or Santa Claus to God; are we?
Hey dont disrespect my faith!!0 -
"Well, then I suppose anyone questions the existence of God and don't believe life is a gift from God, then they can just go murder or dispose of people as they "feel" like it. Is that what you wanted to hear?"
I know you said this as Hyperbole, but I think that is slightly more insulting that "Oh jeez, here we go with God again."
Total and complete hyperbole on my part, but I think you know that. I'm referring to using the word "jeez", but I think you know that, too. Let's try not to derail this thread.0 -
Just out of curiosity, where did you get this statement to compass your life?
rather than treating those as they wish to be treated.
Where do I get my moral compass, upbringing, intelligence, commonsense, society, civilization. I treat others as I want myself to be treated.0 -
I wonder what the tooth fairys take on the subject is?
Surely, we are not going to compare the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, or Santa Claus to God; are we?
Well to some people, they're all made up. To non-believers, believing in a god would be the same as you believing that the Tooth Fairy is real.0 -
I wonder what the tooth fairys take on the subject is?
Surely, we are not going to compare the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, or Santa Claus to God; are we?
Well to some people, they're all made up. To non-believers, believing in a god would be the same as you believing that the Tooth Fairy is real.
I totally got the point she was making. I'd love to discuss the existence of God, but we're derailing this thread and I'm trying to behave.
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tbh it feels difficult for me when people start bringing god and the bible into debates. How can you argue with something completely illogical and only based on the blind faith of someone, and what they hope is true rather than what there is any evidence for
I get that you believe in it, but surely you can debate on topics without bringing your religion into it?0 -
I get that you believe in it, but surely you can debate on topics without bringing your religion into it?
Depends on the debate. You'd have to know me to understand that my faith in God is who I am. By vocation, I teach about God every day of my life. I teach teen age boys to see God in all things, because that's how I see the world. Sometimes it's difficult to separate my faith from topics I'm discussing. I think you'll find plenty of comments by me on the forum where I don't use God's name or my faith at all. It was my understanding that it was welcome here in the Debatable Debating group, so I try to back up my opinions with why I feel the way I do (which almost always leads back to my faith).0 -
tbh it feels difficult for me when people start bringing god and the bible into debates. How can you argue with something completely illogical and only based on the blind faith of someone, and what they hope is true rather than what there is any evidence for
I get that you believe in it, but surely you can debate on topics without bringing your religion into it?
This.
I think that anybody who is entirely confident in their views can certainly argue them without resorting to 'Well because God says so' as their defense.0 -
This.
I think that anybody who is entirely confident in their views can certainly argue them without resorting to 'Well because God says so' as their defense.
That would be a very shallow answer in any debate, and I doubt you've ever seen that from me.0 -
I would also like to say that if my being in this group offends anyone because of my religious position, I will gracefully leave. It is not my intent to come to this group with the purpose of attacking non-believers. I would never consider joining the atheist groups that are on here for that reason. I didn't join this group on my own. I was invited by someone and thought it would be fun since I like to debate. I'm not here to make enemies or get attacked, nor am I hear to belittle anyone for their beliefs or non beliefs.
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I would also like to say that if my being in this group offends anyone because of my religious position, I will gracefully leave. It is not my intent to come to this group with the purpose of attacking non-believers. I would never consider joining the atheist groups that are on here for that reason. I didn't join this group on my own. I was invited by someone and thought it would be fun since I like to debate. I'm not here to make enemies or get attacked, nor am I hear to belittle anyone for their beliefs or non beliefs.
Patti
Yeah, but i'm not here to debate with people I agree with, that's boring, so I'm sorry, you request to leave has been denied.0 -
Yeah, but i'm not here to debate with people I agree with, that's boring, so I'm sorry, you request to leave has been denied. 0
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I would also like to say that if my being in this group offends anyone because of my religious position, I will gracefully leave. It is not my intent to come to this group with the purpose of attacking non-believers. I would never consider joining the atheist groups that are on here for that reason. I didn't join this group on my own. I was invited by someone and thought it would be fun since I like to debate. I'm not here to make enemies or get attacked, nor am I hear to belittle anyone for their beliefs or non beliefs.
Patti
Yeah, but i'm not here to debate with people I agree with, that's boring, so I'm sorry, you request to leave has been denied.
^^this^^ makes me glad and proud that we started this debate club. It's what we are all about. People can get heated and offended and in the end in a debate club it's really what makes things interesting and great.0 -
Just out of curiosity, where did you get this statement to compass your life?
rather than treating those as they wish to be treated.
only one person can lay claim to that idea? :huh:
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i wouldnt dream of asking or even wanting you to leave, id just rather hear people back up their ideas with something concrete.
I dunno, I guess if you use God or the existence of god or spiritual things as part of your argument for something, then it just turns it into a debate about religion rather than the orginal subject. If your entire argument is based on a belief in God, then it pretty much excludes anyone who doesnt share your faith from debating with you,0 -
I dunno, I guess if you use God or the existence of god or spiritual things as part of your argument for something, then it just turns it into a debate about religion rather than the orginal subject. If your entire argument is based on a belief in God, then it pretty much excludes anyone who doesnt share your faith from debating with you,
But, wouldn't it be great if we all learned something from each other here? Possibly this is the only place where non-believers would hear the position on topics like these from a Christian, or vice versa. I've had private messages with atheists on here because of debates we've been on in the forums....and not to debate, but to ask for advice from each other.0 -
I guess it depends on how open to it and how interested you are in other peoples religions. I wouldnt dream of getting into a debate with my muslim brother and i wasnt interested when he was an evangelical christian either, becasue the arguments were just coming from a completely diffeent planet, and ive had too much of religion being shoved down my throat. None of it rings true to me, and while i was being facetious earlier about the tooth fairy, in all seriousness, thats about the same level of belief I have in God, and just like you would be weirded out if someone started citing the tooth fairy, or debating a sensitive subject by talking about what hanuman the monkey faced hindu god would do, it all starts getting a bit exclusive.0
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I dunno, I guess if you use God or the existence of god or spiritual things as part of your argument for something, then it just turns it into a debate about religion rather than the orginal subject. If your entire argument is based on a belief in God, then it pretty much excludes anyone who doesnt share your faith from debating with you,
But, wouldn't it be great if we all learned something from each other here? Possibly this is the only place where non-believers would hear the position on topics like these from a Christian, or vice versa. I've had private messages with atheists on here because of debates we've been on in the forums....and not to debate, but to ask for advice from each other.
I've been a non-believer for quite a while, and I have weekly conversations with a good friend who is an Army Chaplain. So, I agree, this is how I learn, through active dialogue.0 -
I don't believe its a right or a privilege, but rather a natural path. That's like asking do we have a right or a privilege to eat (ok ok, not quite as extreme).
And I don't see how applying to have children would change anything? If someone has a baby do you take it away? Or is everyone forced to have something put inside them that stops reproduction?
And back to the original question....I won't even get into the argument about children being a "gift from God".
What I will question is the above statement that it is a natural path? In what way do you mean that? Because I am 40, married for 18 years and child free by CHOICE. Does that make me unnatural? or did you mean that another way?0 -
As much as I hate to say it with the mass population of idiots on this planet, I think it's a right. I mean, we all have baby making parts, so baby making is a natural thing.0
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