Season 2 - Episode 8 "Nebraska" (2/12/12)

CaptainGordo

This thread serves as a place to discuss speculation, and then reaction to the 2/12/12 episode.

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You can see a sneak peek here: http://www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead/episodes/season-2/nebraska

Also, show producer and comic book creator Robert Kirkman sat down with The Hollywood Reporter to answer a few questions regarding certain characters, death and future plans for story and character development. Here's a portion of the interview. Be sure to check out the link for the entire article, as it contains some very intriguing insights. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-midseason-finale-robert-kirkman-265484)

THR:Sophia (Madison Lintz) was in the barn the whole time! How come Hershel never mentioned it?
Robert Kirkman: I don't think that Hershel was ever doing a cataloging of the zombies. It was painful for him because his wife and son were also in the barn. It's not like he was actually hanging out in there or paying attention to all the walkers that were in there. He knew they were looking for a girl named Sophia but who knows what zombies were are in there and how often they'd been put in there. Otis (Pruitt Taylor Vince) was the one who was in charge and corralling them and putting them in there. So for all Hershel knew, Otis had put the Sophia zombie in there months ago.

THR: Was killing one of the comic's original characters an easy one?
Kirkman: When a good idea comes up, you have to go with it. Sophia is a character who is still alive in the comic book series and who has contributed quite a bit to the overall narrative and informed a lot of story lines for a lot of different characters. Having Carol (Melissa McBride) survive her daughter as opposed to the other way around as it is in the comics is going to lead to interesting but different stories.

THR: Will the second half pick up immediately after the shooting or will it jump ahead?
Kirkman: We're not going to be doing any big time jumps. Whether we lose a day, hour or if it picks up the very minute after the scene, I wouldn't want to give away too early but there's not going to be any massive time jump this season.

THR: How will Sophia's death alter Carl's development?
Kirkman: One of the major story lines in the comics is Carl's (Chandler Riggs) dissention into a darker role; he's forced into adulthood to make terrible decisions. His character evolving over the course of the comic book series is really going to be accelerated by the absence of Sophia. That will remain largely in tact and be sped up. There's going to be more darkness creeping in to the series in the second half of the season. Now that the Sophia question has been answered, they're not going to have that hanging over their heads and that's not going to be bogging them down making them have to devote time to that.

THR: Rick told Shane about Lori's (Sarah Wayne Callies) pregnancy, but not that he was aware of their affair. How long will he keep that over him?
Kirkman: I want the show to get a reputation as one that doesn't hang on to things like that for long. We have a lot of story to tell on this series and we're not going to be dwelling too much. I'm very excited that we got around to revealing that Rick knew about the relationship. Stuff like that is going to bubble up to the surface in very interesting ways in the last half of the season.

THR: Any update on when/if we'll see the Governor or Michonne?
Kirkman: I can say only that we will see them eventually. We will see some new characters popping up as early as the [2012] premiere episode.

THR: Still unknown: What Jenner told Rick at the CDC. How much longer can you hold on to that?
Kirkman: It will be happening sooner rather than later.

AnaNotBanana

This is the trailer that they played after the show was done. I don't know if this is a preview for the next episode or for the second half of the season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Peldz0-uY


I'm super excited about the introduction of Michonne possibly next season. My guess is that this season will end with them finding the prison.

kimberley_1

I love the walking dead so much I had to buy the books to see what happened next after I watched the first episode

I’m not in to reading books much but I couldnt stop reading them all and yes everyone takes the piss because there comics with pictures when I say look how much book I’ve read lol
now I know what kind of things I like ready I’ll be getting some other books with fewer pictures in for Xmas :P

Anyway I think this season is a bit slow but still I just love, shame we got to wait all the way till feb to see more though…

istalkzombies

so pumped for the rest of the season!!! can't wait!

datguy2011

Me either... I loved the mid season ending... what a great way. So does anyone else thing that if OTIS knew they were looking for a little girl he would have mentioned it to them? but because he was killed and eaten... they kept risking their lives everyday while she was in the barn the whole time!

CaptainGordo

Me either... I loved the mid season ending... what a great way. So does anyone else thing that if OTIS knew they were looking for a little girl he would have mentioned it to them? but because he was killed and eaten... they kept risking their lives everyday while she was in the barn the whole time!

On "Talking Dead", after the show, Kirkman pointed out that Hershel mentioned to Rick that it was Otis that would corral the walkers. Otis found Sophia and put her in the barn. Shane killed Otis before Otis had a chance to hear about Sophia, and tell them that she was in the barn. So, you can blame Shane. I would imagine that this will come up next episode.

Thomasm198

This is the trailer that they played after the show was done. I don't know if this is a preview for the next episode or for the second half of the season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Peldz0-uY


I'm super excited about the introduction of Michonne possibly next season. My guess is that this season will end with them finding the prison.

I'm hoping they introduce the plot of the prison, the Governor and Michonne. I loved that section in the comics.

kimberley_1

Me either... I loved the mid season ending... what a great way. So does anyone else thing that if OTIS knew they were looking for a little girl he would have mentioned it to them? but because he was killed and eaten... they kept risking their lives everyday while she was in the barn the whole time!

I know what is with that??? I say things like this all the time to my partner when we are watching it and I think I do his head in lmao

But I noteis these things

CaptainGordo

Me either... I loved the mid season ending... what a great way. So does anyone else thing that if OTIS knew they were looking for a little girl he would have mentioned it to them? but because he was killed and eaten... they kept risking their lives everyday while she was in the barn the whole time!

I know what is with that??? I say things like this all the time to my partner when we are watching it and I think I do his head in lmao

But I noteis these things

On "Talking Dead", after the show, Robert Kirkman (the original series creator) said that Shane killed Otis before Otis had a chance to hear about Sophia, and tell them that she was in the barn.

CaptainGordo

New clip and trailer!

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Jolt17/news/?a=52278

bayertablets

Renee from True Blood!!! <3<3. (He best not be dead!)

Jovialation

Any theories about this "new group"?

Firstly - I think Hershel has a lot to think about. Rick's reaction time to seeing these two guys in the bar, how he handled them conversationally, and how he knew the guy was going for a gun behind the bar...
Of course and how quick Rick was to shoot the guys without hesitation to protect the farm.
Now will Hershel let them stay?

Is Lori's baby still going to be around? What about Lori? Will that affect them staying? Will they tell the group what they heard about the Camp?

Will this other group of survivors go looking for their men and eventually the people that killed them? They'd have to! Is there a third outside the bar??!

Does Hershel realize he wouldn't have been able to handle the situation with those two men as well as Rick had?

Opinions? Thoughts?

Anyone else say something like "I hope you crash" right before Lori crashed??

jenny95662

Any theories about this "new group"?

Firstly - I think Hershel has a lot to think about. Rick's reaction time to seeing these two guys in the bar, how he handled them conversationally, and how he knew the guy was going for a gun behind the bar...
Of course and how quick Rick was to shoot the guys without hesitation to protect the farm.
Now will Hershel let them stay?

Is Lori's baby still going to be around? What about Lori? Will that affect them staying? Will they tell the group what they heard about the Camp?

Will this other group of survivors go looking for their men and eventually the people that killed them? They'd have to! Is there a third outside the bar??!

Does Hershel realize he wouldn't have been able to handle the situation with those two men as well as Rick had?

Opinions? Thoughts?

Anyone else say something like "I hope you crash" right before Lori crashed??

loved the episode...loved daryl calling lori olive oil lmao i laughed oso hard. i was hoping she crashed i cant stand her but me and my hubby were like wow she just shows how dumb she is....Thinking there is a stand off next week from previews. As soon as these guys walked into the bar i said they are no good and my husband thought the same thing. I was so glad all of them were smart and said nothing and lex rick handle it. When the guy went behind the bar i was like there is always a gun behind the bar lol I was glad he did not hesitate. Now as for Lori she prob passed out and looks like zombies will be finding her. I dont think she will get eatten even though i wish she did lmao. I hav e a gut feeling daryl will go looking for lori cause he knew she wanted him to go look for them (why i am not sure rick and glen seem to be capable to do it on there own) and he will realize she was dumb and have to go after her to save her. Typical dumb girl in horror movie syndrome lmfao i love this show i was supprise that i had already been an hour once it ended i was like oh man its over lmao

as for hershel he is feeling sorry for himself and really he is grieving and he had hope it would be a cure and not he realizes there is not going to be and that she was really dead, Once he stops feeling sorry for himself he will see he needs rick and them, i just think Shane needs to be feed to the walkers lmao he is too much a hot head. Dale told Lori about him killing ottis which he onlyhas a hunch and from what shane said why did nt he say he tried to shoot your husband or at least was thinking about it in the first season. That he saw with his own eyes lol

Elizabeth_C34

I have to say I am not happy about the direction the show is going especially after a wonderful first season.

I enjoy a lot of character development especially Darryl becoming more sensitive than just a soulless redneck, but dedicating two whole segments to Hershel whining in a bar was irriatating to me. I feel like this show is dragging so slowly with little or no plot development along the way. I waited for months for this episode, and I feel like it was very big let down. Part of the problem is the time covered in the show is so different than the time between episodes. It makes it hard to keep track of things.

I'm reserving my final judgement 'till the end of season 2, but I'd really like to know what happened to Merle, what the guy at the CDC said to Rick, and what was up with the helicopter in the first episode. I'm frustrated that they set the audience up for all these questions very early on then never answer them. I also don't like that the number of zombies per episode is so low. I miss the action scenes.

Qarol

I hate stupid people. Even in television shows. And Lori was so so stupid. What did she really hope to accomplish going off on her own, wasting fuel, not telling anyone?

When Rene from True Blood showed up, I knew it wasn't going to be good. Ridiculous, I know. But I told my husband...oh, this won't end well. But it happened so fast, I had to rewind to watch the shooting again.

And Dale just annoys me. He is kind of the moral authority of the group...in a very irritating way.

Elizabeth_C34

I hate stupid people. Even in television shows. And Lori was so so stupid. What did she really hope to accomplish going off on her own, wasting fuel, not telling anyone?

When Rene from True Blood showed up, I knew it wasn't going to be good. Ridiculous, I know. But I told my husband...oh, this won't end well. But it happened so fast, I had to rewind to watch the shooting again.

And Dale just annoys me. He is kind of the moral authority of the group...in a very irritating way.

UGH I know!

I mean, HELLO PEOPLE... Freakin' zombie apocalypse has happened and you all sit around *****ing about the moral implications of finishing off 20 or so zombies in an insecure barn 100 yards from where you sleep? Give me a friggin' break!

joelabro

I hate stupid people. Even in television shows. And Lori was so so stupid. What did she really hope to accomplish going off on her own, wasting fuel, not telling anyone?

When Rene from True Blood showed up, I knew it wasn't going to be good. Ridiculous, I know. But I told my husband...oh, this won't end well. But it happened so fast, I had to rewind to watch the shooting again.

And Dale just annoys me. He is kind of the moral authority of the group...in a very irritating way.

UGH I know!

I mean, HELLO PEOPLE... Freakin' zombie apocalypse has happened and you all sit around *****ing about the moral implications of finishing off 20 or so zombies in an insecure barn 100 yards from where you sleep? Give me a friggin' break!

Ok, I will play along a little bit. I think that the Survivors coming from Atlanta realize your point, but Herschel and his folks haven't been as exposed to what has gone on around them. I don't know how they couldn't get it, but i think that's what they are trying to get across. It wasn't just a bunch of zombies in the barn, it was Herschel's wife and son (and Sophia) in there as well and the family had a different way of understanding what happened to them. It seems that those in the Atlanta group that are the most torn up about about things, like maybe Dale and to some extent Rick, are more concerned that they violated Herchel's ways as their host and the one who's given them safe harbor.

With all that said, Lori is a moron.

And the real heart of that episode was the last 10 or 15 minutes for sure.

Qarol

I kind of have to agree. Hershel's land, Hershel's rules. And Shane breaking them in such a violent way was wrong wrong wrong. BECAUSE it's not his land, not his rules. This is a new kind of world. You don't get to go off making your own decisions like that, not when it affects the group. Which is why I'm so annoyed with Lori, going off on her own.

That being said, Dale still bugs me with his attitude. If he's got a problem, he's needs to say it, to everyone. I've got a problem with Shane. And you bet I would tell Rick my problems with Shane.

Elizabeth_C34

I kind of have to agree. Hershel's land, Hershel's rules. And Shane breaking them in such a violent way was wrong wrong wrong. BECAUSE it's not his land, not his rules. This is a new kind of world. You don't get to go off making your own decisions like that, not when it affects the group. Which is why I'm so annoyed with Lori, going off on her own.

That being said, Dale still bugs me with his attitude. If he's got a problem, he's needs to say it, to everyone. I've got a problem with Shane. And you bet I would tell Rick my problems with Shane.

I'm going to disagree. Shane did the absolute right thing by killing the zombies in the barn. Way too much risk to the entire group should they get out of there. Yes, it's Hershel's land, but there is nothing that would stop me from doing the same thing Shane did if I found out 20+ zombies were being insecurely contained in a barn less than 100 yards from where I sleep in a flimsy tent. No friggin' way. Hershel's land be damned. The guy was delusional trying to trap and wrangle more of the walkers into the barn. Just stupid on his part, and he needed a big dose of reality before everyone got killed because they were too afraid to piss off Hershel.

Dale is annoying. He should know better than to try to ditch the guns in the swamp. Stupid stupid stupid.

Qarol

But Hershel didn't have to let them stay on his land, right? I for one would have been very uncomfortable and scared knowing those walkers were in the barn. But it's not my call, right? I mean, Rick's group could have moved on if they really didn't like staying on the land knowing the walkers were in the barn.

I am however glad that it helped Hershel see the truth. That his loved ones died ages ago.

Elizabeth_C34

But Hershel didn't have to let them stay on his land, right? I for one would have been very uncomfortable and scared knowing those walkers were in the barn. But it's not my call, right? I mean, Rick's group could have moved on if they really didn't like staying on the land knowing the walkers were in the barn.

I am however glad that it helped Hershel see the truth. That his loved ones died ages ago.

No he didn't, but Hershel should've come clean about it after Carl got better and Rick's group started squatting on the land. At this point, it's less important to worry about someone's feelings as it is about keeping yourself, your family, and your group alive. Survival trumps manners in a world where you are essentially being hunted all the time. The whole group was sleeping in flimsy tents and the RV with the windows open less than 100 yards from the barn full of walkers, and Hershel let them go on thinking they were safe. Just crazy. I'd be royally pissed off. Rick running around trying to wrangle the zombies with Hershel and the boy was absurd. Rick knows how dangerous they are, and instead of doing what needed to be done to bring Hershel into the reality of the situation, he bent over backwards to appease Hershel's delusions.

Rick really screwed the pooch on the whole barn walkers issue. Shane's reaction would've been mine also.

This group isn't going to survive if they keep putting their lives at risk for the sake of manners. It's just not realistic in the world now.

SinIsIn

The episode lacked Walkers, I'm glad Lori crashed! I mean seriously, going over to tell Daryl to go after them. Rick and Glenn can clearly handle themselves why would her dumb @ss go after them. I'm thinking she's going to survive (boooooo!) but lose the baby?

I really like Shane. He's the only one that I think is being "real" about it. If a zombie apocolypse ever did happen, i can see a lot of people adopting his attitude.

Dale is just pissing me off now. I loved how Shane told him off and asked him what he does for the group. And really.. other than be the 'moral authority' for the group.. he does nothing but offer his unwanted advice and nagging.

When I saw Michael Raymond's character come out... I too knew it wasn't going to end well. It did seem to me there was a bit of sincerity to what he was saying. But I understand that taking more people that you know nothing about would be really stupid. I initially thought Rick was going to say they could go stay with them. I'm glad he didn't. It's the first thing that Rick has done that to me shows leadership.

AnaNotBanana

The one thing that went through my mind when Lori got in that car was "Why would a mother leave her child knowing that his father was already gone and possibly not coming back?" I didn't really understand her urgency in Rick coming back. I understand that the girl was sick, personally I think she's infected from her zombie mom attacking her, but other than that there was no urgency in Rick and Glenn bringing Herschel back. And when she crashed I thought "That's what you get for being a dumb broad."

I was seriously annoyed that they didn't show the preview for next week's show until the first commercial break of the next show. In case you missed it....here it is. Episode 9 Triggerfinger:

http://thewalkingdeadpodcast.com/2012/02/12/the-walking-dead-season-2-episode-9-triggerfinger-30-second-promo-spoilers/

taso42

The one thing that went through my mind when Lori got in that car was "Why would a mother leave her child knowing that his father was already gone and possibly not coming back?" I didn't really understand her urgency in Rick coming back. I understand that the girl was sick, personally I think she's infected from her zombie mom attacking her, but other than that there was no urgency in Rick and Glenn bringing Herschel back. And when she crashed I thought "That's what you get for being a dumb broad."

Yep, agree. This was a stupid plot device, and the show is full of them, sorry to say. The only point in her taking the car and driving was so she could crash and create drama and suspense. I hope she gets bitten.

Also, it wasn't clear if the dude behind the bar was reaching for a pistol or maybe just a pack of cigarettes or something. It would be pretty fucked up if he turns out to be unarmed.

jenny95662

I kind of have to agree. Hershel's land, Hershel's rules. And Shane breaking them in such a violent way was wrong wrong wrong. BECAUSE it's not his land, not his rules. This is a new kind of world. You don't get to go off making your own decisions like that, not when it affects the group. Which is why I'm so annoyed with Lori, going off on her own.

That being said, Dale still bugs me with his attitude. If he's got a problem, he's needs to say it, to everyone. I've got a problem with Shane. And you bet I would tell Rick my problems with Shane.

I'm going to disagree. Shane did the absolute right thing by killing the zombies in the barn. Way too much risk to the entire group should they get out of there. Yes, it's Hershel's land, but there is nothing that would stop me from doing the same thing Shane did if I found out 20+ zombies were being insecurely contained in a barn less than 100 yards from where I sleep in a flimsy tent. No friggin' way. Hershel's land be damned. The guy was delusional trying to trap and wrangle more of the walkers into the barn. Just stupid on his part, and he needed a big dose of reality before everyone got killed because they were too afraid to piss off Hershel.

Dale is annoying. He should know better than to try to ditch the guns in the swamp. Stupid stupid stupid.

i have to disagree because Shane did not do it in a good way he is slowly having a break down and there was no reason to go about it like he did. If they were so afraid they need to leave. Its his land and he did not have to let them stay. Not to mention they got one of his people killed already. They were all fine with out the group coming in now i agree Hershel is too sheltered because he has no idea what its really like out there. But its grieving in a diff way he was not out in the world to see it so it was easy for him and his family and friends to say maybe there will be some help one day and they are just sick.Also he did not come clean cause he knew that was what would happen he wanted them gone he never said they could stay and that i think is the reason. He did not want others to know about it cause they would kill them (again lmfao) But thats just IMO lol


And Lori deserved what she got she annoys me to no end lmao Where does she get off telling daryl to go after them, they can handle themselves and daryl does not need to save everyone *kitten* all the time lol we know daryl will prob end up saving her or the friends of the people rick killed at bar might find her lmao And for the lack of walkers its cause they have to have drama and stuff the show is the survival of the apocalypse so they wont always be tons around specially in the place they are in. I think hershels daughter got scratched or something from the mother cause she is so sick with a fever now or maybe it went airborn some how.

Qarol

Also, it wasn't clear if the dude behind the bar was reaching for a pistol or maybe just a pack of cigarettes or something. It would be pretty fucked up if he turns out to be unarmed.

Pretty sure he was reaching for his gun, which he set on the counter earlier in a gesture of "hey, I'm not armed!" But at the last second, when Rick told him he hears Nebraska is nice, the guy went to grab the gun off the counter, and Rick just shot faster.

Jovialation

I've officially decided to stay out of this debate.

I know how I feel about all this, but it's coming from a verrryyy loyal fan who watches a LOT of AMC shows and read the comics.

I know WD seems slow and full of plot devices at times, but they're very much a network that puts out stuff that you have to watch every moment, that develops characters, that will make you sit through hours upon hours of dialogue, and isn't going to be quotable most of the time. I get that, I love that, I more than appreciate that.

As someone who reads all the comics, I'm SUPER excited about where all this is going with the other survivors and think whether that guy was going for a gun behind the bar or not....good for Rick.

My only two cents. I really really ought to stay out of the rest, tho. Not worth it.

joelabro

The one thing that went through my mind when Lori got in that car was "Why would a mother leave her child knowing that his father was already gone and possibly not coming back?" I didn't really understand her urgency in Rick coming back. I understand that the girl was sick, personally I think she's infected from her zombie mom attacking her, but other than that there was no urgency in Rick and Glenn bringing Herschel back. And when she crashed I thought "That's what you get for being a dumb broad."

Yep, agree. This was a stupid plot device, and the show is full of them, sorry to say. The only point in her taking the car and driving was so she could crash and create drama and suspense. I hope she gets bitten.

Also, it wasn't clear if the dude behind the bar was reaching for a pistol or maybe just a pack of cigarettes or something. It would be pretty fucked up if he turns out to be unarmed.

I watched the end scene a second time. It was pretty unmistakable that he was going for the pistol that he had set on the bar top. Rick's reaction was just faster. It's unknown if he would have actually shot Rick, but you have to assume he would have. Rick did the right thing. It was a clean shoot as they say.

Elizabeth_C34

I've officially decided to stay out of this debate.

I know how I feel about all this, but it's coming from a verrryyy loyal fan who watches a LOT of AMC shows and read the comics.

I know WD seems slow and full of plot devices at times, but they're very much a network that puts out stuff that you have to watch every moment, that develops characters, that will make you sit through hours upon hours of dialogue, and isn't going to be quotable most of the time. I get that, I love that, I more than appreciate that.

As someone who reads all the comics, I'm SUPER excited about where all this is going with the other survivors and think whether that guy was going for a gun behind the bar or not....good for Rick.

My only two cents. I really really ought to stay out of the rest, tho. Not worth it.

I am enjoying the show for the most part. Just frustrated with Season 2 is all. Season 1 was awesome awesome awesome. LOVED it!

I'm reserving my final judgement for the end of Season 2. Hopefully, it'll pickup a bit.

taso42

Pretty sure he was reaching for his gun, which he set on the counter earlier in a gesture of "hey, I'm not armed!" But at the last second, when Rick told him he hears Nebraska is nice, the guy went to grab the gun off the counter, and Rick just shot faster.

I watched the end scene a second time. It was pretty unmistakable that he was going for the pistol that he had set on the bar top. Rick's reaction was just faster. It's unknown if he would have actually shot Rick, but you have to assume he would have. Rick did the right thing. It was a clean shoot as they say.

Ok fair enough.

joelabro

Pretty sure he was reaching for his gun, which he set on the counter earlier in a gesture of "hey, I'm not armed!" But at the last second, when Rick told him he hears Nebraska is nice, the guy went to grab the gun off the counter, and Rick just shot faster.

I watched the end scene a second time. It was pretty unmistakable that he was going for the pistol that he had set on the bar top. Rick's reaction was just faster. It's unknown if he would have actually shot Rick, but you have to assume he would have. Rick did the right thing. It was a clean shoot as they say.

Ok fair enough.

One thing for sure is was meant to be fast and brutal!