I'd roll my eyes less

Regmama

if those who claim to be "open-minded" and then go about being rude, trashing, or insulting those with different views than them would just stop saying they are "open-minded" or "tolerant" when they clearly are not. Anyone else agree with me on this?

TheRoadDog

Partially. Can't have dabate without differing points of view, however.

I'd roll my eyes a little less if every debate didn't break down into religious POV.

mikajoanow

A tolerant society can have people with a wide range of views where people are shielded from harassment for either their religious beliefs or sexual preference. That all people have equal footing as far as civil rights are concerned. For instance, I disagree with the message of the Westboro Baptist church, but I tolerate them in the legal sense. I believe they have the right to say what they say, and I defend their right to say it, even though I don't agree with them. But I also believe other people have freedom of speech to respond to them in a lawful manner.

Another example. I believe sometime this last week you brought up the gay rights activists who bust into churches during service. I don't agree with that. I also don't agree with glitter bombers.

As far as open minded goes, I hate that term. Its meaningless to me and I certainly don't claim to be open minded outside of the fact that I believe people should make informative decisions and that means having a good understanding of something before you accept or reject it.

On a internet debate board people are going to get into heated arguments and challenge each others opinions. Its kind of the name of the game. Some are going to be sweet about it, some are just going to be blunt and you're going to have to deal with the occasional troll. Whatever, I don't take it too seriously and I roll my eyes all the time. (happily found out that my mother was wrong, your eyes wont get stuck like that if you do it too much.)

Regmama

A tolerant society can have people with a wide range of views where people are shielded from harassment for either their religious beliefs or sexual preference. That all people have equal footing as far as civil rights are concerned. For instance, I disagree with the message of the Westboro Baptist church, but I tolerate them in the legal sense. I believe they have the right to say what they say, and I defend their right to say it, even though I don't agree with them. But I also believe other people have freedom of speech to respond to them in a lawful manner.

Another example. I believe sometime this last week you brought up the gay rights activists who bust into churches during service. I don't agree with that. I also don't agree with glitter bombers.

As far as open minded goes, I hate that term. Its meaningless to me and I certainly don't claim to be open minded outside of the fact that I believe people should make informative decisions and that means having a good understanding of something before you accept or reject it.

On a internet debate board people are going to get into heated arguments and challenge each others opinions. Its kind of the name of the game. Some are going to be sweet about it, some are just going to be blunt and you're going to have to deal with the occasional troll. Whatever, I don't take it too seriously and I roll my eyes all the time. (happily found out that my mother was wrong, your eyes wont get stuck like that if you do it too much.)

I am of a similar attitude.
By the way, what is a "glitter bomber"?

mikajoanow

A tolerant society can have people with a wide range of views where people are shielded from harassment for either their religious beliefs or sexual preference. That all people have equal footing as far as civil rights are concerned. For instance, I disagree with the message of the Westboro Baptist church, but I tolerate them in the legal sense. I believe they have the right to say what they say, and I defend their right to say it, even though I don't agree with them. But I also believe other people have freedom of speech to respond to them in a lawful manner.

Another example. I believe sometime this last week you brought up the gay rights activists who bust into churches during service. I don't agree with that. I also don't agree with glitter bombers.

As far as open minded goes, I hate that term. Its meaningless to me and I certainly don't claim to be open minded outside of the fact that I believe people should make informative decisions and that means having a good understanding of something before you accept or reject it.

On a internet debate board people are going to get into heated arguments and challenge each others opinions. Its kind of the name of the game. Some are going to be sweet about it, some are just going to be blunt and you're going to have to deal with the occasional troll. Whatever, I don't take it too seriously and I roll my eyes all the time. (happily found out that my mother was wrong, your eyes wont get stuck like that if you do it too much.)

I am of a similar attitude.
By the way, what is a "glitter bomber"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSb3kTA6vVI

While I agree with the guys main message about stopping anti gay policies. I do not in anyway support anyone throwing anything at anyone. I think they mostly get away with it because they choose to do it to people who are far too busy and will more than likely choose to not pursue a legal option.

MikeSEA

As far as glitter bombing goes, think Anita Bryant with a pie in the face...only with the glitter. Given that I would expect anyone who does that to me to be jailed for as long as possible (I hate glitter), I'm not really in favor of it.

I'd be way more open to a pie in the face as long as it didn't stain. That was an invitation, by the way. Dutch apple if you've got it.

BrettPGH

As far as glitter bombing goes, think Anita Bryant with a pie in the face...only with the glitter. Given that I would expect anyone who does that to me to be jailed for as long as possible (I hate glitter), I'm not really in favor of it.

I'd be way more open to a pie in the face as long as it didn't stain. That was an invitation, by the way. Dutch apple if you've got it.

I have no respect for and will not tolerate ANYONE wasting a Dutch apple pie in such a fashion. Some things are sacred.

MikeSEA

As far as glitter bombing goes, think Anita Bryant with a pie in the face...only with the glitter. Given that I would expect anyone who does that to me to be jailed for as long as possible (I hate glitter), I'm not really in favor of it.

I'd be way more open to a pie in the face as long as it didn't stain. That was an invitation, by the way. Dutch apple if you've got it.

I have no respect for and will not tolerate ANYONE wasting a Dutch apple pie in such a fashion. Some things are sacred.

Comedy and tasty pie in my face are their own rewards. You sir, have a different definition of "waste" than I do.

KimmyEB

Partially. Can't have dabate without differing points of view, however.

I'd roll my eyes a little less if every debate didn't break down into religious POV.

Yes.

BrettPGH

To be serious I don't think anyone can demand respect. Respect is earned.

And to state "I believe X because of my religion" and expect it to not only not be challenged but accepted and respected is simply a way of stopping the conversation, not continuing it. A lot of people believe a lot of dumb things because of their religion. There's no reason to respect a dumb idea because somebody believes they have a hot line to some creator.

You have the right to believe whatever you want. It's a free country. I have the right to think a lot of it is nonsense.

Regmama

To be serious I don't think anyone can demand respect. Respect is earned.

And to state "I believe X because of my religion" and expect it to not only not be challenged but accepted and respected is simply a way of stopping the conversation, not continuing it. A lot of people believe a lot of dumb things because of their religion. There's no reason to respect a dumb idea because somebody believes they have a hot line to some creator.

You have the right to believe whatever you want. It's a free country. I have the right to think a lot of it is nonsense.

Okay, so RoadDog brought the whole "religion" thing into this coversation. I simply said that don't claim that you're (the general you) all tolerant and open minded then turn around and talk disrespectfully at best about someone or some group.

And yes, you've made it quite clear that if one holds views you don't agree with they may possibly be added to your "dumb" list, but, though I do not agree with you on most things and hold a completely different world view, I do not think you are dumb, just ill-informed. Now, if everyone would be exactly like me, this world would be perfect! ;D

adrian_indy

If you want tolerance, go talk to people who agree with you. The nature of a debate is not tolerating the others view point and then speaking through it. And what is tolerance anyways? Tolerating a persons race, sex, looks, handicaps and anything else they have no control over is a no brainer. But I hardly thing I have to tolerate idiocy or ignorance. Since when did this become the new in thing? Some one walks up to me and says someting bat crap crazy, what am I supposed to do. I disagree, I do so vigorously. Besides, there are a whole lot of variations of tolerance and intolerance. Getting in a shouting match or spritited debate hardly is a heck a lot better than the intolerance of the past....killing the other person. I've grown intolerant of tolerance.

maidentl

Getting in a shouting match or spritited debate hardly is a heck a lot better than the intolerance of the past....killing the other person. I've grown intolerant of tolerance.

Exactly. I tolerate you by allowing you to be in my presence. That doesn't mean I don't get to think you are wrong, or dumb, or misinformed. But I wouldn't kill you for it, I wouldn't want you to be deprived of your rights or your freedom to speak your stupidity. I think it comes down to a definition of tolerance.

Regmama

If you want tolerance, go talk to people who agree with you. The nature of a debate is not tolerating the others view point and then speaking through it. And what is tolerance anyways? Tolerating a persons race, sex, looks, handicaps and anything else they have no control over is a no brainer. But I hardly thing I have to tolerate idiocy or ignorance. Since when did this become the new in thing? Some one walks up to me and says someting bat crap crazy, what am I supposed to do. I disagree, I do so vigorously. Besides, there are a whole lot of variations of tolerance and intolerance. Getting in a shouting match or spritited debate hardly is a heck a lot better than the intolerance of the past....killing the other person. I've grown intolerant of tolerance.

So you get tired of the pc attitude of trying not to "offend" anyone also? I'm glad we agree and frankly that everyone who has responded agrees. There is hope for all of us and our defense of the Bill of Rights!!!

Bahet

Getting in a shouting match or spritited debate hardly is a heck a lot better than the intolerance of the past....killing the other person. I've grown intolerant of tolerance.

Exactly. I tolerate you by allowing you to be in my presence. That doesn't mean I don't get to think you are wrong, or dumb, or misinformed. But I wouldn't kill you for it, I wouldn't want you to be deprived of your rights or your freedom to speak your stupidity. I think it comes down to a definition of tolerance.

^^^ This. I'm tolerant of your POV that the universe was created by flying unicorns and owning cats is wrong. Go right ahead and think that. You have every right and I will fight to the end to preserve that right. BUT, that doesn't mean I don't get to think you are foolish or wrong. Being tolerant is not the same as agreeing. It also doesn't mean that I will stand idly by while you try to force your beliefs onto others. Being tolerant means I accept that you are entitled to your beliefs, not that I am willing to be forced to live by your beliefs.

mommared53

I'm definitely not very opened minded. I've heard that if you're too open minded your brains will fall out. I don't want my brains to fall out. :laugh:

futiledevices

I'm not open minded to views that persecute people or deny rights to others for no good reason. Other than that, I consider myself a very accepting person. However, if we all agreed, this debate forum wouldn't exist.

leanmachinedream

if those who claim to be "open-minded" and then go about being rude, trashing, or insulting those with different views than them would just stop saying they are "open-minded" or "tolerant" when they clearly are not. Anyone else agree with me on this?

I partially agree but, at the same time I don't. I'll give an example.

I don't take anyone seriously if they think abortion is wrong. It's not up for debate for me and I'm really not tolerant of anyone who feels that way. I start out being civil in the conversation but at the end of the day I usually end up calling them ****ing stupid. I'm still relatively open minded about a lot of things. Just not when it comes to people stripping the rights away of women or telling someone they're wrong for their sexual preference. People who feel that way are ****ty people who don't deserve respect in my eyes.

Funnily enough, I'm in a relationship with a hardcore Christian who says gays are bad and abortion is wrong. Idk how we work.

leanmachinedream

I'm not open minded to views that persecute people or deny rights to others for no good reason. Other than that, I consider myself a very accepting person. However, if we all agreed, this debate forum wouldn't exist.

Yep. That's definitely what I was attempting to say.