Poor Karl Rove is offended...
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While the BP oil spill was churning crude into the Gulf, he banned offshore oil drilling. Because you know, one time, there was an accident, so we should totally squash production, driving prices even higher, because there coud be another accident, someday. It's totally worth the hit to the ecenomy, and the elimination of all those jobs. Right.
I'm sure the people whose livelihoods and businesses were destroyed, thus elimination of jobs going along with that, really appreciate your sentiment.
I'm confused. Since there's no tone of voice for internet...I can't tell:
Either you are being serious, in which case, cool, we agree.....:flowerforyou:
or you're being sarcastic...which doesn't make sense, because I am defending those people with my sentiment. :ohwell:0 -
While the BP oil spill was churning crude into the Gulf, he banned offshore oil drilling. Because you know, one time, there was an accident, so we should totally squash production, driving prices even higher, because there coud be another accident, someday. It's totally worth the hit to the ecenomy, and the elimination of all those jobs. Right.
I'm sure the people whose livelihoods and businesses were destroyed, thus elimination of jobs going along with that, really appreciate your sentiment.
I'm confused. Since there's no tone of voice for internet...I can't tell:
Either you are being serious, in which case, cool, we agree.....:flowerforyou:
or you're being sarcastic...which doesn't make sense, because I am defending those people with my sentiment. :ohwell:
I was being sarcastic. It seemed to me that you were downplaying what happened in the Gulf oil spill as a little oopsie, and nothing to really worry about. As if the people who work for BP are more important than those of us that live here in the Gulf who were directly affected by it. If that's not what you meant, then my bad.
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I blame Obama for the thing he has done, personally. Tripling the debt is just at the top of my list. Obamacare is right under it. Murdering our domestic oil production is another. Rejecting the pipeline, government takeover of GM, Fast and Furiously providing guns to drug cartels in Mexico.....these are just a few of the things HE did, which I hope he will lose his job over.
His economic ideas are a disaster. Ask Europe how well socialism spurs economies.
Care to give substantiated details on any of that, or did the pamphlet not go into specifics?
Which of his actions do you deny? Everything I listed, he did. He didn't inherit any of this. He did it all himself, with the help of pieces of **** like Pelosi.
Tripled the debt. This is factual. Spin away, numbers do not lie.
Obamacare. Sort of obvious, huh? It's even nicknamed for him.
Murdering domestic oil production: While the BP oil spill was churning crude into the Gulf, he banned offshore oil drilling. Because you know, one time, there was an accident, so we should totally squash production, driving prices even higher, because there coud be another accident, someday. It's totally worth the hit to the ecenomy, and the elimination of all those jobs. Right.
Rejected the pipeline, which could again, have brought more jobs and more domestic oil into our economy. Instead, we are more worried about the poor wittle caribou or whatever. Score another point for foriegn oil. I'm sure Saudi Arabis was happy to hear it.
Governmental takeover of GM. Have you been awake in the last three years? I don't see how this could need to be substantiated, but in case you weren't watching, our government has decided to take over a private company. It had no authority to do so, and the government should not be in the business of picking winners and losers, but it did.
Fast and Furious. A gem of an idea. Next up: let's give nuclear weapons to North Korea and we'll track how they use them. What could go wrong? This program directly caused American deaths. It's despicable.
I think it's damn interesting that you never actually address any of my arguments, you just go ad hominem. Is that because there is no good defense for tripling the debt?
I for one am glad that the Feds gave loans to GM. It was hugely successful and GM was worth saving. American jobs were worth saving and promoted to the general welfare of Americans.
I would also say its quite a stretch to say that Obama has been gun running to Mexican cartels. Its either an overly obvious simplification of the facts for the sake of being misleading or you really believe every nonsensical thing you see in your email inbox.
BTW I love that you called nancy pelosi a piece of ****. Now we can be done with the faux outrage from you and your cohort when someone says something you don't like.0 -
He inherited it, huh? You know that under GWB, the Dem controlled House is who created the situation we are in, right?
Ever heard of the Community Reinvestment Act? A law passed by the Dems which forced banks into giving out loans on a quota basis. Can't afford a mortgage? That's OK, you're poor enough we will just GIVE you 125% financing on a house you can't afford. Wonder why you have no urge to pay the note?
The housing crisis we are in, which was the spark that blew up the damn economy three years ago, was created before Bush ever took office. Remember?
So, if I set a bomb in your house, and you move in, and five years later, the bomb blows up and your house burns down, apparently thats YOUR fault. After all, you were living there when it all went to ****.
The national debt, which Obama criticized Bush for, has been TRIPLED. He promised to fundamentally transform the country. He sure did. Now all of your children owe their souls to Red China. Thanks, Obama.
The Community Reinvestment Act? OMG, that's Fox Fairy Tale #1. There have been numerous official reports that have unequivocally denied that the CRA had anything to do with the housing collapse. Actually, the housing collapse was caused by number of factors and defies a pithy explanation, but Fox knows their audience--it's a lot more comforting to blame it on the ignorant, greedy, "poor" (codeword for "black and brown) people.
Facts:
Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission: "The CRA Was Not A Significant Factor In Subprime Lending Or The Crisis." In its final report, submitted in January 2011, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission concluded:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fcic/fcic.pdfThe Commission concludes the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis. Many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA. Research indicates only 6% of the high cost loans - a proxy for subprime loans - had any connection to the law. Loans made by CRA-regulated lenders in the neighborhoods in which they were required to lend were half as likely to default as similar loans made in the same neighborhoods by independent mortgage originators not subject to the law. [The Financial Crisis Inquiry Report, January 2011]
Federal Reserve: "We Find Little Evidence That Either the CRA Or The GSE [Government-Sponsored Enterprise] goals played a significant role in the subprime crisis." In an August 3 report, Federal Reserve economists Robert Avery and Kenneth Brevoort concluded:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds/2011/201136/201136pap.pdfWe find little evidence that either the CRA or the GSE goals played a significant role in the subprime crisis. Our lender tests indicate that areas disproportionately served by lenders covered by the CRA experienced lower delinquency rates and less risky lending. Similarly, the threshold tests show no evidence that either program had a significantly negative effect on outcomes. [Federal Reserve, 8/3/11]
Bernanke: The CRA Was Not "At The Root Of, Or Otherwise Contributed In Any Substantive Way To, The Current Mortgage Difficulties." In a November 25, 2008, letter, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke stated:Our own experience with CRA over more than 30 years and recent analysis of available data, including data on subprime loan performance, runs counter to the charge that CRA was at the root of, or otherwise contributed in any substantive way to, the current mortgage difficulties." [Federal Reserve, 11/25/08]
http://menendez.senate.gov/pdf/112508ResponsefromBernankeonCRA.pdf
Most Subprime Mortgages Not Issued By Institutions Under CRA. In a paper published on the website of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, Michigan law professor Michael Barr stated that as of 2005,Only 25 percent of subprime loans were made by banks and thrifts, and the Federal Reserve reports that only six percent of subprime loans were CRA-eligible." ["Community Reinvestment Emerging from the Housing Crisis," Michael S. Barr, accessed 10/11/11]
http://www.frbsf.org/publications/community/cra/community_reinvestment_emerging_from_housing_crisis.pdf#page=3
SF Reserve Bank's Yellen: "tudies Have Shown That The CRA Has Increased The Volume Of Responsible Lending To Low- And Moderate-Income Households." Janet Yellen, president and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, in a March 2008 speech criticized efforts to blame CRA lending for weaknesses in the mortgage market, stating:
http://www.frbsf.org/news/speeches/2008/0331.html
There has been a tendency to conflate the current problems in the subprime market with CRA-motivated lending, or with lending to low-income families in general. I believe it is very important to make a distinction between the two. Most of the loans made by depository institutions examined under the CRA have not been higher-priced loans, and studies have shown that the CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households. We should not view the current foreclosure trends as justification to abandon the goal of expanding access to credit among low-income households, since access to credit, and the subsequent ability to buy a home, remains one of the most important mechanisms we have to help low-income families build wealth over the long term. [Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, 3/31/08]
Slate's Gross: "The Notion That The Community Reinvestment Act Is Somehow Responsible For Poor Lending Decisions Is Absurd." In an October 7, 2008, Slate article, Daniel Gross, a business columnist for Newsweek and author of Dumb Money: How Our Greatest Financial Minds Bankrupted the Nation, wrote that "the notion that the Community Reinvestment Act is somehow responsible for poor lending decisions is absurd" and added, "[L]ending money to poor people and minorities isn't inherently risky. There's plenty of evidence that in fact it's not that risky at all." Gross further explained, "On the other hand, lending money recklessly to obscenely rich white guys ... can be really risky. In fact, it's even more risky, since they have a lot more borrowing capacity." [Slate, 10/7/08]0 -
^^great post0
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Lucky, are you a birther?0
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^^great post
I know. He puts me to shame. :frown: lol0 -
While the BP oil spill was churning crude into the Gulf, he banned offshore oil drilling. Because you know, one time, there was an accident, so we should totally squash production, driving prices even higher, because there coud be another accident, someday. It's totally worth the hit to the ecenomy, and the elimination of all those jobs. Right.
I'm sure the people whose livelihoods and businesses were destroyed, thus elimination of jobs going along with that, really appreciate your sentiment.
I'm confused. Since there's no tone of voice for internet...I can't tell:
Either you are being serious, in which case, cool, we agree.....:flowerforyou:
or you're being sarcastic...which doesn't make sense, because I am defending those people with my sentiment. :ohwell:
I was being sarcastic. It seemed to me that you were downplaying what happened in the Gulf oil spill as a little oopsie, and nothing to really worry about. As if the people who work for BP are more important than those of us that live here in the Gulf who were directly affected by it. If that's not what you meant, then my bad.
To be fair it did seems she was downplaying it. As if this was the only ONE accident that has happened in the oceans.0 -
^^great post
I know. He puts me to shame. :frown: lol
nah, we all have our great posts.
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There is no doubt that I have major issues with the Obama administration, mostly around civil liberties issues he addressed in the campaigns and hasn't done much about. But I'm sorry, the financial mess we are in is not of his making. The did keep the wars off the books under Bushie, which was in the trillions, much of that because Cheney head decided to give his company non-bid contracts and over charge the living crap out of us for mediocre services. Oh, and where did that money go....the green zone. I can tell you first hand that while I was crapping in a hole in the ground, running combat missions attached to SF while in unarmored Humvees and eating rotten MREs and rations, 1 hour away at camp anaconda all the contractors and paper pushers were eating steak and lobster every night. There was your tax money under Bush.
Think I'm kidding? I'm not. I stayed at that Camp for 6 days when we finally at least got uparmored kits for our trucks (garbage), and every night I had steak and lobster. Biscuits and gravy, bacon sausage, OJ, Pop, Ice Cream, Air Conditioning, a PC with internet every 20 feet, video games, hot showers, an indoor AND outdoor pool, 2 airconditioned gyms, a movie theater larger than the one we had on our German base.....the list goes on and on. And those hard working contractors.....6 figures for basically sitting abournd and doing about an hour of work a day. Seen it first hand. So much for fiscal conservatism. Both parties spend like drunken sailors, just on different things.0 -
Tripled the debt. This is factual. Spin away, numbers do not lie.
Yes, when you're fighting two unnecessary wars your debt does tend to triple. He inherited them from Bush remember? (and yes I judge him for not ending them)
Besides should he have gone the austerity route? That is causing people to riot in the streets in Europe?Obamacare. Sort of obvious, huh? It's even nicknamed for him.
I think it's stupid because it didn't go far enough. You realise that in America you pay more per captia than countries with socialised medicine? Paying more for less. That's smart!Murdering domestic oil production: While the BP oil spill was churning crude into the Gulf, he banned offshore oil drilling. Because you know, one time, there was an accident, so we should totally squash production, driving prices even higher, because there coud be another accident, someday. It's totally worth the hit to the ecenomy, and the elimination of all those jobs. Right.
Why yes, yes it is.Rejected the pipeline, which could again, have brought more jobs and more domestic oil into our economy. Instead, we are more worried about the poor wittle caribou or whatever. Score another point for foriegn oil. I'm sure Saudi Arabis was happy to hear it.
The whole 200 jobs. Would have changed the economy!0 -
Those contractors didn't have their own base. They were on an American military base. All of those things were give to the troops too. The part about unarmoured Humvees is dead on though. Remember "You go to war with the military you have, not the one you want."? What a butthead Rummy is!There is no doubt that I have major issues with the Obama administration, mostly around civil liberties issues he addressed in the campaigns and hasn't done much about. But I'm sorry, the financial mess we are in is not of his making. The did keep the wars off the books under Bushie, which was in the trillions, much of that because Cheney head decided to give his company non-bid contracts and over charge the living crap out of us for mediocre services. Oh, and where did that money go....the green zone. I can tell you first hand that while I was crapping in a hole in the ground, running combat missions attached to SF while in unarmored Humvees and eating rotten MREs and rations, 1 hour away at camp anaconda all the contractors and paper pushers were eating steak and lobster every night. There was your tax money under Bush.
Think I'm kidding? I'm not. I stayed at that Camp for 6 days when we finally at least got uparmored kits for our trucks (garbage), and every night I had steak and lobster. Biscuits and gravy, bacon sausage, OJ, Pop, Ice Cream, Air Conditioning, a PC with internet every 20 feet, video games, hot showers, an indoor AND outdoor pool, 2 airconditioned gyms, a movie theater larger than the one we had on our German base.....the list goes on and on. And those hard working contractors.....6 figures for basically sitting abournd and doing about an hour of work a day. Seen it first hand. So much for fiscal conservatism. Both parties spend like drunken sailors, just on different things.0 -
Those contractors didn't have their own base. They were on an American military base. All of those things were give to the troops too. The part about unarmoured Humvees is dead on though. Remember "You go to war with the military you have, not the one you want."? What a butthead Rummy is!There is no doubt that I have major issues with the Obama administration, mostly around civil liberties issues he addressed in the campaigns and hasn't done much about. But I'm sorry, the financial mess we are in is not of his making. The did keep the wars off the books under Bushie, which was in the trillions, much of that because Cheney head decided to give his company non-bid contracts and over charge the living crap out of us for mediocre services. Oh, and where did that money go....the green zone. I can tell you first hand that while I was crapping in a hole in the ground, running combat missions attached to SF while in unarmored Humvees and eating rotten MREs and rations, 1 hour away at camp anaconda all the contractors and paper pushers were eating steak and lobster every night. There was your tax money under Bush.
Think I'm kidding? I'm not. I stayed at that Camp for 6 days when we finally at least got uparmored kits for our trucks (garbage), and every night I had steak and lobster. Biscuits and gravy, bacon sausage, OJ, Pop, Ice Cream, Air Conditioning, a PC with internet every 20 feet, video games, hot showers, an indoor AND outdoor pool, 2 airconditioned gyms, a movie theater larger than the one we had on our German base.....the list goes on and on. And those hard working contractors.....6 figures for basically sitting abournd and doing about an hour of work a day. Seen it first hand. So much for fiscal conservatism. Both parties spend like drunken sailors, just on different things.
That was what I was saying, sorry if it wasn't more clear. It was hilarious about the Hummers though. One of the first missions I did was a convoy escort of civilian truck driver all over Iraq. All these bases had these sweet, up-armored humvees.....just sitting around. The only time they got used was if some clerk was too lazy to walk to the chow hall and drove. And here my scout platoon was crammed into these paper thin hummers, sitting on sand bags. But, thus is war. It was the same in NAM if you ask those Vets. The waste of money is unreal....and none of it goes to the combat guys.0 -
A good friend of ours lost a son (who was also a friend of ours) over there because he was in a soft sided Humvee when they hit an IED. If they had armored, or hell, even the type of Hummer that yuppies drive around stateside, he probably would have lived.0
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I blame Obama for the thing he has done, personally. Tripling the debt is just at the top of my list. Obamacare is right under it. Murdering our domestic oil production is another. Rejecting the pipeline, government takeover of GM, Fast and Furiously providing guns to drug cartels in Mexico.....these are just a few of the things HE did, which I hope he will lose his job over.
His economic ideas are a disaster. Ask Europe how well socialism spurs economies.
I totally agree with you. I VOTED for Obama and feel like an idiot for doing so. It was my first time being old enough to vote. Had I been a bit more knowledgeable about politics, I wouldn't have voted at all that year.0 -
I voted for Obama as well, and I don't regret it, I voted for several issues he campaigned on and that I think he has not done enough or anything about since he has been in office. I think 2008 just cemented my belief on how flawed this 2 party system has become, and I really am getting sick of picking the lesser of two evils.
As far as asking Europeans on how socialism is going....it's not really a fair assesment since they could easily ask us how capitalism is going.....and it was in capitalis USA where this global economic melt down started. If we used the argument that socialism = bad since they are currently having problems financially, then I think we could all agree that using that logic, we should all go commie like the Chinese. They seem to be doing great.0 -
I think 2008 just cemented my belief on how flawed this 2 party system has become, and I really am getting sick of picking the lesser of two evils.
I agree with this as well. I still think Obama is making the same mistakes as Bush, though they are different parties and have divided supporters. The two are really not much different. Until people start voting based on character, not a biased opinion of parties, we are just going to continue with presidents from different parties, doing the same damn things and keeping us in the downward spiral.
People hate Bush for the war- Obama has increased our military presense and authorized over $600 billion dollars for military expenses and US interests overseas. He opposed the war in Iraq yet has no problem sending billions of dollars to a dozen other countries to fight battles that are NOT ours.
People hate Bush for the Patriot Act- Obama has signed NDAA which could allow "U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, including arrests by members of the Armed Forces" and detain them indefinately without a trial. Basically, like in 'V for Vendetta', our government can put a black bag over our heads and make us disappear forever.
People hated Bush for the bailout-Obama has continued them.
These two jokers are one in the same in my book.0 -
I think 2008 just cemented my belief on how flawed this 2 party system has become, and I really am getting sick of picking the lesser of two evils.
I agree with this as well. I still think Obama is making the same mistakes as Bush, though they are different parties and have divided supporters. The two are really not much different. Until people start voting based on character, not a biased opinion of parties, we are just going to continue with presidents from different parties, doing the same damn things and keeping us in the downward spiral.
People hate Bush for the war- Obama has increased our military presense and authorized over $600 billion dollars for military expenses and US interests overseas. He opposed the war in Iraq yet has no problem sending billions of dollars to a dozen other countries to fight battles that are NOT ours.
People hate Bush for the Patriot Act- Obama has signed NDAA which could allow "U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, including arrests by members of the Armed Forces" and detain them indefinately without a trial. Basically, like in 'V for Vendetta', our government can put a black bag over our heads and make us disappear forever.
People hated Bush for the bailout-Obama has continued them.
These two jokers are one in the same in my book.
Yup, I have this conversation all the time with people Bush and Obama can do the SAME EXACT THING.....and watch people who align with these parties split. I understand in some ways while people are in both parties, and I understand that some 3rd partiers and independents are just professional malcontents in some cases, but I have now voted for both parties and been sorely disappointed. I still, in a way have a little hope for Obama. But he has so many DC insiders and Bankers in his admin....it's BS.0 -
Lucky, are you a birther?
No. I am far more concerned with the things we KNOW he has done. The birther movement is a stupid distraction from the actual issue. Give me a little credit, would you?0 -
While the BP oil spill was churning crude into the Gulf, he banned offshore oil drilling. Because you know, one time, there was an accident, so we should totally squash production, driving prices even higher, because there coud be another accident, someday. It's totally worth the hit to the ecenomy, and the elimination of all those jobs. Right.
I'm sure the people whose livelihoods and businesses were destroyed, thus elimination of jobs going along with that, really appreciate your sentiment.
I'm confused. Since there's no tone of voice for internet...I can't tell:
Either you are being serious, in which case, cool, we agree.....:flowerforyou:
or you're being sarcastic...which doesn't make sense, because I am defending those people with my sentiment. :ohwell:
I was being sarcastic. It seemed to me that you were downplaying what happened in the Gulf oil spill as a little oopsie, and nothing to really worry about. As if the people who work for BP are more important than those of us that live here in the Gulf who were directly affected by it. If that's not what you meant, then my bad.
What happened in the Gulf was awful. I never intended to downplay it. But the knee-jerk reaction directly from the president to shut down all other drilling was another hit that the Gulf didn't have to take. He did that to them, added insult to injury. All of the people who lost their jobs during that crisis didn't have to.
But you'd better believe that this crisis WILL be downplayed by the Obama campaign.0 -
we should all go commie like the Chinese. They seem to be doing great.
If you say so. I would never want to live in China.
In what way do they seem to be doing "great"?0 -
I think 2008 just cemented my belief on how flawed this 2 party system has become, and I really am getting sick of picking the lesser of two evils.
I agree with this as well. I still think Obama is making the same mistakes as Bush, though they are different parties and have divided supporters. The two are really not much different. Until people start voting based on character, not a biased opinion of parties, we are just going to continue with presidents from different parties, doing the same damn things and keeping us in the downward spiral.
People hate Bush for the war- Obama has increased our military presense and authorized over $600 billion dollars for military expenses and US interests overseas. He opposed the war in Iraq yet has no problem sending billions of dollars to a dozen other countries to fight battles that are NOT ours.
People hate Bush for the Patriot Act- Obama has signed NDAA which could allow "U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, including arrests by members of the Armed Forces" and detain them indefinately without a trial. Basically, like in 'V for Vendetta', our government can put a black bag over our heads and make us disappear forever.
People hated Bush for the bailout-Obama has continued them.
These two jokers are one in the same in my book.
Yup, I have this conversation all the time with people Bush and Obama can do the SAME EXACT THING.....and watch people who align with these parties split. I understand in some ways while people are in both parties, and I understand that some 3rd partiers and independents are just professional malcontents in some cases, but I have now voted for both parties and been sorely disappointed. I still, in a way have a little hope for Obama. But he has so many DC insiders and Bankers in his admin....it's BS.
For me, I am a Democrat in the sense that I like to vote in primaries. Both sides are reckless spenders but I happen to prefer the reckless spending that the Dems do over the reckless spending of the Republicans. I was not even a Dem when I voted for Obama and he was actually the very first Democratic nominee for president that I have ever voted for. (I have been voting since Clintons second term) So far I am fairly somewhat happy with him. But to be fair, I am very realistic and some might even say I have very low expectations lol
The first person I ever voted for that actually won was GW Bush. I was so disappointed by him I took the reactionary position. I actually swung so far to the left that I was no longer in touch with reality. lol I didn’t like the Dems so I voted Green party. Complete waste of time. So for me, at least for now, I choose to take part in the very flawed two party system because I think its better to support slow progress as opposed to clinging on to idealism that only serves the party going the opposite direction and will surely load our courts up with more right wing judges.
Adrian, for me the biggest disappointment was the people Obama put on his team. Gross.
To the far above comments.
Barack Obama supported the bailout before he was elected, people could have walked away from him then. We have to put some of the responsibility on ourselves too. To me the bailout was a choice between a *kitten* sandwich on rye or a *kitten* sandwich on sourdough. Either way, it was bad. While I hated the big money bailout I think I may have hated the alternative more. That one is a wash for me. As I said also, I liked the GM bailout.
Obama CAMPAIGNED on escalating the war in Afghanistan, while I didn’t agree with him at the time, I *knew* that was his position. For me its hard to hold fault in someone for things that I actually voted for. I am pleased he is talking about closing up shop there. I am sure it’s a campaign move, but I am glad to hear it nonetheless.0 -
I cried when Obama was elected. I hope I won't be crying in November. If he gets re-elected, we're ****ed.
I think we'll be ****ed either way. None of the GOP candidates in the running have impressed me. None. I have viewpoints on both sides of the aisle, but the only GOP person I can see potentially beating Obama didn't even want to be part of this mess.
I may move to Canada...0 -
I blame Obama for the thing he has done, personally. Tripling the debt is just at the top of my list. Obamacare is right under it. Murdering our domestic oil production is another. Rejecting the pipeline, government takeover of GM, Fast and Furiously providing guns to drug cartels in Mexico.....these are just a few of the things HE did, which I hope he will lose his job over.
His economic ideas are a disaster. Ask Europe how well socialism spurs economies.
So you don't want your taxes to go towards fixing the country? You don't want there to be trees to provide oxygen? Ok. That's your prerogative. I happen to like oxygen.
Did you know that we actually produce and refine more oil domestically than we did under Bush? And most of it is actually shipped overseas to China and Japan? Interesting...
And I, for one, and THRILLED that he rejected the pipeline. The lack of a satisfactory environmental study and the amount of money it would cost, plus the number of years it would take to build said pipeline would do nothing for us until at the earliest 2020.0 -
we should all go commie like the Chinese. They seem to be doing great.
If you say so. I would never want to live in China.
In what way do they seem to be doing "great"?
They are building a middle class, an infrastructure, just built a super carrier equivalent (maybe) to ours, accomplished huge engineering feats unrivaled in the last decade at least, and now have the worlds fastest super computer. We also now know they have missle technology capable of hitting our sattelites, no soldiers outside their borders draining their ecomony, they are heavily investing in Africa with money instead of violence, and they have Kung Fu. That's just off the top of my head.0 -
The lack of a satisfactory environmental study and the amount of money it would cost, plus the number of years it would take to build said pipeline would do nothing for us until at the earliest 2020.
And that crazy future date is NEVER gonna get here, so why start planning for it now? We will totally be through with using oil by then, all of the windwills and solar panels will be running our cars by then.....
What about the number of people who would be immediately employed by the construction, and permanently employed by the maintenanace of said pipeline?0 -
Isn't that number something like 200? So we vote for Romney who took away jobs from tens of thousands and fully intends to do so again and again if it will help his rich buddies but in return we create jobs for a few hundred nd that evens things out?
I'm glad you aren't a birther. I only asked because I wanted to know if I was debating someone rational or not. Some of your arguments were straight off Fox "News" so I had to question it.
No comments on how we drill more oil here under Obama than we did under Bush?0 -
How many jobs would be created by investing in other forms of energy? The process of getting Tar sand oil is different and will increase greenhouse gas emissions at an alarming rate. So maybe no one cares about greenhouse gas, okay. Its hard to argue against the environment though when the pipeline would cross major rivers and one aquifer that over a few million people use. I mean unless you’re in complete denial that spills happen. I was actually very surprised to learn just how common they are. In 2010 there was a huge spill, over a million gallons spilled in Michigan, in the Kalamazoo river. I guess those things don’t matter when there are profits to be made. Well for the oil company anyway, they will still make a profit but those who live in the surrounding oil spill areas will lose money from loss of tourism and people leaving the area in droves. I sure hope we can eat our money. mmmmm money
*funny side note, I went to search that oil spill in Michigan and it turns out there is currently a suspected Diesel spill in the same river. What a hoot those oil companies are.No comments on how we drill more oil here under Obama than we did under Bush?
We're effed. Isn't it great how cheap our gas is now? Oh wait...0 -
I blame Obama for the thing he has done, personally. Tripling the debt is just at the top of my list. Obamacare is right under it. Murdering our domestic oil production is another. Rejecting the pipeline, government takeover of GM, Fast and Furiously providing guns to drug cartels in Mexico.....these are just a few of the things HE did, which I hope he will lose his job over.
His economic ideas are a disaster. Ask Europe how well socialism spurs economies.
So you don't want your taxes to go towards fixing the country? You don't want there to be trees to provide oxygen? Ok. That's your prerogative. I happen to like oxygen.
Did you know that we actually produce and refine more oil domestically than we did under Bush? And most of it is actually shipped overseas to China and Japan? Interesting...
And I, for one, and THRILLED that he rejected the pipeline. The lack of a satisfactory environmental study and the amount of money it would cost, plus the number of years it would take to build said pipeline would do nothing for us until at the earliest 2020.
It should be noted that the Republican Governor of Nebraska was also against the pipeline. If anyone wants to augment their opinions with some facts, here is a quick overview, from that hotbed of socialist advocacy, Forbes magazine:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2012/01/19/keystone-pipeline-winners-and-losers/0 -
I blame Obama for the thing he has done, personally. Tripling the debt is just at the top of my list.
"Tripling the debt?" More internet email "facts"?
I don't have time to go into more detail, so I'll just let everyone think about this:
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