Texas Kindergarten Class Learning "Obama Song"
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What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?
http://www.areweawareyet.com/11371/‘he’s-our-man-yes-we-can’-pro-obama-song-taught-to-kindergarteners-at-tx-school/
http://www.areweawareyet.com/11371/‘he’s-our-man-yes-we-can’-pro-obama-song-taught-to-kindergarteners-at-tx-school/
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Can you point to the section of the song that seems socialist to you? I couldn't find it. Also I don't think it's any more a form of indoctrination than reciting the pledge of allegiance is. Obviously this song is longer than the pledge, but that doesn't seem all that relevant.
As far as the song itself goes, it's not that impressive. Obviously it has a rhetorical motive behind that I'm not a fan of. I don't think it's something that young children should be required to learn in schools, but I suspect I think that for different reasons than you do.
As a side note, the Chinese economy is doing quite well. I don't think we should necessarily follow it, but I thought I'd point that out.0 -
The Chinese economy is booming. Obama made sure of it.
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The Chinese economy is booming. Obama made sure of it.
Ok, just because I'm curious to know how this will shake out, what specific actions did Obama take that created a boom in the Chinese economy? Please include dates and contextual analysis with your supporting evidence.0 -
Wow Obama had someone write a song about him and is personally making kids learn it? Yea, that would be quite wrong. Oh, wait, what's that? Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it in any way shape or form? Yea, somebody needs to reread the definition of "socialist".What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?
http://www.areweawareyet.com/11371/‘he’s-our-man-yes-we-can’-pro-obama-song-taught-to-kindergarteners-at-tx-school/0 -
I can't agree teaching school children to sing a song about a president is "socialist" but there's no serious argument that the cult of the personality has been a significant tool in controlling the population under totalitarian regimes.
Regarding the article — I didn't read it but I do suspect that this occurred in a government school so this is completely expected.0 -
Recent additions to U.S. public debt:
Fiscal year____Value of increase_____$Billions % of GDP____Total debt________ $Billions % of GDP
2004 _______ 596 ________________5.1%_______________7,379___________63.2%
2005 _______ 539 ________________4.3%_______________ 7,918 __________63.6%
2006 _______ 575 ________________ 4.3%_______________ 8,493 __________ 64.0%
2007 ________500 ________________ 3.6% _______________ 8,993 __________ 64.8%
Here's where Obama took Office, taking over the "mess he inherited"
2008 _______1,018 ________________ 7.1% ______________ 10,011 _________69.6%
2009 _______1,887________________~13.4%______________11,898 _________~84.4%
2010 _______1,653 _______________~11.4% _____________12,311.40 ________ ~93.4%
And that's a tripling of our National Debt. In three years. Our largest creditor is China, whose economy is certainly enjoying a boost as we pay interest on 1.6 trillion dollars in debt to them.0 -
Recent additions to U.S. public debt:
Fiscal year____Value of increase_____$Billions % of GDP____Total debt________ $Billions % of GDP
2004 _______ 596 ________________5.1%_______________7,379___________63.2%
2005 _______ 539 ________________4.3%_______________ 7,918 __________63.6%
2006 _______ 575 ________________ 4.3%_______________ 8,493 __________ 64.0%
2007 ________500 ________________ 3.6% _______________ 8,993 __________ 64.8%
Here's where Obama took Office, taking over the "mess he inherited"
2008 _______1,018 ________________ 7.1% ______________ 10,011 _________69.6%
2009 _______1,887________________~13.4%______________11,898 _________~84.4%
2010 _______1,653 _______________~11.4% _____________12,311.40 ________ ~93.4%
And that's a tripling of our National Debt. In three years. Our largest creditor is China, whose economy is certainly enjoying a boost as we pay interest on 1.6 trillion dollars in debt to them.
Ok, so I was actually looking for what Obama did specifically to boost China's economy. The first problem with what you've said is that doesn't indicate which of Obama's policies is responsible for debt and why. The second problem is that the analysis assumes, but doesn't prove that our any interest on loans to the US is a driving factor in the Chinese economy.
This really just resembles partisan squabbling more than actual analysis.0 -
What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?
I'm not sure you actually know what socialism is. It's an economic system. It really doesn't have anything to do with school chants.Recent additions to U.S. public debt:
Fiscal year____Value of increase_____$Billions % of GDP____Total debt________ $Billions % of GDP
2004 _______ 596 ________________5.1%_______________7,379___________63.2%
2005 _______ 539 ________________4.3%_______________ 7,918 __________63.6%
2006 _______ 575 ________________ 4.3%_______________ 8,493 __________ 64.0%
2007 ________500 ________________ 3.6% _______________ 8,993 __________ 64.8%
Here's where Obama took Office, taking over the "mess he inherited"
2008 _______1,018 ________________ 7.1% ______________ 10,011 _________69.6%
2009 _______1,887________________~13.4%______________11,898 _________~84.4%
2010 _______1,653 _______________~11.4% _____________12,311.40 ________ ~93.4%
And that's a tripling of our National Debt. In three years. Our largest creditor is China, whose economy is certainly enjoying a boost as we pay interest on 1.6 trillion dollars in debt to them.
So much wrong with your analysis it's hard to begin where. How on earth is this a tripling of our National Debt in 3 years? The debts increased from 10 billion to 12.3 billion. That's a 23% increase. So your math was off by by 277% on that one. And China is not our largest creditor. The federal reserve and intergovernmental agencies are our largest creditor. Then come the American people by way of treasury bonds. China is our largest foreign creditor, but they only own about 8% of the total national debt. The majority of American debt is owned by Americans.
And the reason the debt is getting raised at the level it is now is because the last guy tanked the economy right before he left office.
EDIT: I didn't catch it the first time around, but you do realize Obama took office in 2009, not 2008, right?0 -
BEST THREAD EVER.0
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Recent additions to U.S. public debt:
Fiscal year____Value of increase_____$Billions % of GDP____Total debt________ $Billions % of GDP
2004 _______ 596 ________________5.1%_______________7,379___________63.2%
2005 _______ 539 ________________4.3%_______________ 7,918 __________63.6%
2006 _______ 575 ________________ 4.3%_______________ 8,493 __________ 64.0%
2007 ________500 ________________ 3.6% _______________ 8,993 __________ 64.8%
Here's where Obama took Office, taking over the "mess he inherited"
2008 _______1,018 ________________ 7.1% ______________ 10,011 _________69.6%
2009 _______1,887________________~13.4%______________11,898 _________~84.4%
2010 _______1,653 _______________~11.4% _____________12,311.40 ________ ~93.4%
And that's a tripling of our National Debt. In three years. Our largest creditor is China, whose economy is certainly enjoying a boost as we pay interest on 1.6 trillion dollars in debt to them.
But it's George Bush's fault dontcha know.0 -
When I was in school they had a song about Regan whats the diffrence? I dont see the big deal,except to people who dont like Obama0
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That's the difference. When Bush turned a surplus into a deficit it was Clinton's fault. When Obama increased that deficit it was Obama's fault. When there's a song about Regan, no biggie. When it's about Obama we're 1 step from becoming Communist Socialists (yes, I know). When Regan appoints czars it's fine. Ditto Bush. When Obama does it we're Commie Socialist Fascists (yea I actually heard all 3 of those put together. I would have explained the definitions to the person but if stupidity really were painful she'd have to have a morphine drip.)When I was in school they had a song about Regan whats the diffrence? I dont see the big deal,except to people who dont like Obama0 -
Wow Obama had someone write a song about him and is personally making kids learn it? Yea, that would be quite wrong. Oh, wait, what's that? Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it in any way shape or form? Yea, somebody needs to reread the definition of "socialist".What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?
http://www.areweawareyet.com/11371/‘he’s-our-man-yes-we-can’-pro-obama-song-taught-to-kindergarteners-at-tx-school/
If you re-read what I posted - I never said Obama wrote it. I meant it is the way socialist indoctrinate people. They start young, they insert government into everything. I do not think that having children learn this type of thing is good and it shouldn't be happening in our schools. Of course it is a government school, so I don't expect much less.0 -
Wow Obama had someone write a song about him and is personally making kids learn it? Yea, that would be quite wrong. Oh, wait, what's that? Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it in any way shape or form? Yea, somebody needs to reread the definition of "socialist".What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?
http://www.areweawareyet.com/11371/‘he’s-our-man-yes-we-can’-pro-obama-song-taught-to-kindergarteners-at-tx-school/
If you re-read what I posted - I never said Obama wrote it. I meant it is the way socialist indoctrinate people. They start young, they insert government into everything. I do not think that having children learn this type of thing is good and it shouldn't be happening in our schools. Of course it is a government school, so I don't expect much less.
So you dont think our kids should learn how the countrys run? even if its not run well they should still have an understanding of it.0 -
Recent additions to U.S. public debt:
Fiscal year____Value of increase_____$Billions % of GDP____Total debt________ $Billions % of GDP
2004 _______ 596 ________________5.1%_______________7,379___________63.2%
2005 _______ 539 ________________4.3%_______________ 7,918 __________63.6%
2006 _______ 575 ________________ 4.3%_______________ 8,493 __________ 64.0%
2007 ________500 ________________ 3.6% _______________ 8,993 __________ 64.8%
Here's where Obama took Office, taking over the "mess he inherited"
2008 _______1,018 ________________ 7.1% ______________ 10,011 _________69.6%
2009 _______1,887________________~13.4%______________11,898 _________~84.4%
2010 _______1,653 _______________~11.4% _____________12,311.40 ________ ~93.4%
And that's a tripling of our National Debt. In three years. Our largest creditor is China, whose economy is certainly enjoying a boost as we pay interest on 1.6 trillion dollars in debt to them.
Nice try. FY 2008 and FY 2009 belong to the Bush administration. That's how the US fiscal year goes.
Even that is a stupid argument, since you cannot talk about deficits without context.
If you are interested in a true "fair and balanced" analysis, I would propose this as a good starting point:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/financial-crisis-and-stimulus-could-this-time-be-different/2011/10/04/gIQALuwdVL_story.html0 -
What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?I'm not sure you actually know what socialism is. It's an economic system. It really doesn't have anything to do with school chants.
Calling Obama a "socialist" just proves that the person doesn't know anything about either.0 -
How is this just coming around again? This was the "faux outrage du jour" back in 2009, and it was in New Jersey. Now it's in Texas?
Now I know Will County IL is backward--hey I live just up the road--but I didn't think they were 3 years behind the times.0 -
absolutely they should learn how the country is run, and I agree it isn't run well at the moment. I would like to see good old fashion history and government classes being taught, the pledge of allegiance being said and even a moment of silence at the beginning of the day. I don't think this is a good thing to have in our schools is all I said. Whether it be about Obama, Bush, Clinton, even Reagan. It doesn't belong in our schools being taught to our children.
Wow Obama had someone write a song about him and is personally making kids learn it? Yea, that would be quite wrong. Oh, wait, what's that? Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it in any way shape or form? Yea, somebody needs to reread the definition of "socialist".What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?
http://www.areweawareyet.com/11371/‘he’s-our-man-yes-we-can’-pro-obama-song-taught-to-kindergarteners-at-tx-school/
If you re-read what I posted - I never said Obama wrote it. I meant it is the way socialist indoctrinate people. They start young, they insert government into everything. I do not think that having children learn this type of thing is good and it shouldn't be happening in our schools. Of course it is a government school, so I don't expect much less.
So you dont think our kids should learn how the countrys run? even if its not run well they should still have an understanding of it.0 -
Recent additions to U.S. public debt:
Fiscal year____Value of increase_____$Billions % of GDP____Total debt________ $Billions % of GDP
2004 _______ 596 ________________5.1%_______________7,379___________63.2%
2005 _______ 539 ________________4.3%_______________ 7,918 __________63.6%
2006 _______ 575 ________________ 4.3%_______________ 8,493 __________ 64.0%
2007 ________500 ________________ 3.6% _______________ 8,993 __________ 64.8%
Here's where Obama took Office, taking over the "mess he inherited"
2008 _______1,018 ________________ 7.1% ______________ 10,011 _________69.6%
2009 _______1,887________________~13.4%______________11,898 _________~84.4%
2010 _______1,653 _______________~11.4% _____________12,311.40 ________ ~93.4%
And that's a tripling of our National Debt. In three years. Our largest creditor is China, whose economy is certainly enjoying a boost as we pay interest on 1.6 trillion dollars in debt to them.
Nice try. FY 2008 and FY 2009 belong to the Bush administration. That's how the US fiscal year goes.
Even that is a stupid argument, since you cannot talk about deficits without context.
If you are interested in a true "fair and balanced" analysis, I would propose this as a good starting point:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/financial-crisis-and-stimulus-could-this-time-be-different/2011/10/04/gIQALuwdVL_story.html
Wow, I AM tired. I didn't even catch that. Obama was elected in 2008. He didn't take office until 2009. By then the budget for FY 2009 was already set. Blaming him for those things would be like if Romney wins (god forbid) then we should blame him for this year's budget.
Let me guess, this was courtesy of Fox "News" right?0 -
What do you think of this - a kindergarten class in texas is being required to learn this chant about president obama. I personally think this is so wrong. It isn't the place of our schools to be indoctrinating school children. they should be concentrating on the education. This smacks of socialism to me, china does this - do we need to follow suite?
http://www.areweawareyet.com/11371/‘he’s-our-man-yes-we-can’-pro-obama-song-taught-to-kindergarteners-at-tx-school/
I think that the place to learn about politics is in an unbiased social studies class or in the home. I would go ape *kitten* if my child came home singing a politically charged song of some sort. I have a friend who pulled his daughters out of private school and started home schooling because one of his daughters teachers did this exact same thing.0 -
I think what the OP meant by "socialist" was that children are being forced to learn a chant about him as president. Kind of like how Kim Jong Ill had social control over his people. Photos of him hanging in homes, public places, even over voting booths.... I know what you meant.0
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