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Overt Discrimination in Ohio - Welcome to Elections 2012
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No argument!0
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A revealing quote in today's Columbus Dispatch:I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine,” said Doug Preisse, chairman of the county Republican Party and elections board member who voted against weekend hours...
Lest there by any doubt about why these changes are taking place.0 -
Contort? The chairman of said political party actually implied that the current contorted voting process now in place somewhere in these United States with a contortion so complex and enduring that it puts Cirque de Soleil to shame - would need further contortion in order to accommodate a particular voting block??? :noway: Squeeze me????:noway: :noway:
Again, I quote Barak Obama's lawsuit in this case - either every voter gets to vote early or none do.
Between those two, who is the distortionist contortionist????
(I'm so sorry, but that quote from the political party just sent me to the moon! It would have done the same out of anyone's mouth but that doesn't change the fact of whose mouth spewed it.)
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Contort? The chairman of said political party actually implied that the current contorted voting process now in place somewhere in these United States with a contortion so complex and enduring that it puts Cirque de Soleil to shame - would need further contortion in order to accommodate a particular voting block??? :noway: Squeeze me????:noway: :noway:
Again, I quote Barak Obama's lawsuit in this case - either every voter gets to vote early or none do.
Between those two, who is the distortionist contortionist????
(I'm so sorry, but that quote from the political party just sent me to the moon! It would have done the same out of anyone's mouth but that doesn't change the fact of whose mouth spewed it.)
:ohwell:
-Debra
It's also important to note that the election official HIMSELF stated that the term "urban" equaled "African-American". That was not some editorializing by the writer of the article.0 -
Who could have predicted that the biggest Medicare fraudster in history would not be a great governor?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_scott#Columbia.2FHCA_fraud_case_details
Just chiming in to agree. Rick Scott is a *kitten*.0 -
I'll take defeat on the Ohio case and admit I didn't look into it as I usually have time to do.
Florida suing to get illegals out of their voting booths. It looks like Florida marks voters off their roll if they don't confirm citizenship. The Obama administration is preventing them from removing the voters (loss of minority votes) and the state has challenged them. I know this is a new policy but last time I checked illegals should not be voting.. Hasn't this come up in a past topic toward the formation of this group?
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/projects/voting_rights/page?id=0122
I'm cut short on time but there are plenty of past 'claims' against the Democratic party. From paid groups such as ACORN to black poll workers in Philadelphia and Ohio tampering with results to the Obama campaign donating money to people such as Jesse Jackson to not interfere with campaigns...
I live in Florida and your synopsis isn't quite right. Florida was purging the voter rolls based on a list from the feds that was grossly inaccurate. So there was a lawsuit that stopped that, but now they're starting again I guess with a revised list.
Not a lot of people in this state like Scott (even Republicans/Conservatives). He's costing us a lot of money in lawsuits and everything he pushes through pretty much is to benefit his own business and net worth. I still can't figure out how he got elected.
I'm in Florida also, and this is so true. Scott getting elected is what happens when people vote AGAINST someone instead of FOR someone. Take the time to parse the issues people and don't just run with sound bites and party lines. It is amazing to me how many people vote against their best interests and those of the country as a whole based on personality and party lines. Craziness!
I also think that, sadly, a lot of people respond to the negative campaigning. You say something nasty and bad about someone enough times, people start to believe it without really looking into it. He did it during the primary, as well, and that got him the nomination. His main opponent did it as well, but not as badly. Scott was worse. And now look what we got.0 -
I know this topic has gone quiet, but I think it is instructive to note that in the past few days, Federal courts have struck down not only Ohio Republican attempts to restrict early voting by traditionally Democratic-voting groups, but similar laws in Texas as well.
The appeals processes have yet to run their course, but so far the judges have clearly noted the discriminatory intent behind these laws, and clearly identified ther true purpose--NOT to "safeguard the vote", but to SUPPRESS the votes of those they feel will vote against them.
As I have said repeatedly before, this should be anathema to anyone who believes in democracy, regardless of your political leanings.
For those of you who sincerely believe that voter ID is necessary or appropriate, I would call your attention to this article, describing some of the ways in which it can be instituted so that it is not discriminatory and does not suppress votes.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/27/1124779/-If-you-re-going-to-do-Voter-ID-law-do-it-the-Virginia-way0 -
Florida suing to get illegals out of their voting booths. It looks like Florida marks voters off their roll if they don't confirm citizenship. The Obama administration is preventing them from removing the voters (loss of minority votes) and the state has challenged them. I know this is a new policy but last time I checked illegals should not be voting.. Hasn't this come up in a past topic toward the formation of this group?
Can I just say how disturbing I find your dehumanizing of illegeal immigrants. They are not 'illegeals' they are PEOPLE. How about a bit of compassion for people who are only trying to get a better life for their families. (and yes I know someone who was an illegeal immigrant in America. He was brought there as a child and what he wen through was horrific)
Secondly how do you determine who is an illegeal immigrant based purely in their name? I can guarantee you John Smith wouldn't be picked as an illegeal immigrat. Jose Sanchez might though and THAT is what is wrong with these laws.
Lastly all these people who are crying 'the Democrats do it too mummy!' show some proof. Out of the three examples two have been shown to be complete crap. The one that has a kernel of truth was from 1960. If you need to reach over 50 years ago to show 'proof' that he Democrats do it too (and I'd like to point out that what the accusations were of ballot stuffing not denying people votes. It's also not ever been proven) then you need to sit down.0 -
And in the 2008 the New Black Panthers intimidated people at polling places with nightsticks and billy clubs on behalf of Obama. They also bussed in loads of uninformed voters who would vote for Obama just based on his skin color, not because they knew a single thing about him...Both parties have disturbing tactics when it comes to votes. Joe Kennedy did it for JFK in 1960..
To address this issue specifically..
There is no test to determine whether someone is "informed" enough to vote. If there were I think you'd see LOTS of changes to.. well a lot of things. But there isn't. We all have the right to vote. We can vote for Donald Duck if we choose and it would be an expression of the freedoms we have in this country.
To say that some people "aren't informed enough to vote" is disgraceful. And to make it a race issue is even worse. How many people do you think refused to vote for Obama simply because he's black? Were they making an informed choice? Or is it only when someone votes Democrat that they're not putting enough thought into it?
I can remember people voting for the George H.W. Bush because they thought Dan Quayle was handsome. Their votes count same as everyone elses. Period.0 -
Can I just say how disturbing I find your dehumanizing of illegeal immigrants. They are not 'illegeals' they are PEOPLE. How about a bit of compassion for people who are only trying to get a better life for their families.
They are breaking the law. Would you rather they be called criminals? Felons? Just because they are not impacting your rights to take care of their family does not mean they are right. If someone were to break into your house and steal from you in order to provide a better life for their family would you have compassion for them? Ya... Didn't think so.
They are immigrants that are here illegally. They are illegal immigrants. Frame it in your head however you want but it doesn't change the reality.0 -
They are breaking the law. Would you rather they be called criminals? Felons? Just because they are not impacting your rights to take care of their family does not mean they are right. If someone were to break into your house and steal from you in order to provide a better life for their family would you have compassion for them? Ya... Didn't think so.
Yes I would. (and have been robbed) I feel compassion for anyone whose broken the law. But hey that's just me and my crazy morals.0 -
Voter fraud never happens... until it happens. How stupid is this woman?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910,0,3764352.story0 -
They are breaking the law. Would you rather they be called criminals? Felons? Just because they are not impacting your rights to take care of their family does not mean they are right. If someone were to break into your house and steal from you in order to provide a better life for their family would you have compassion for them? Ya... Didn't think so.
Yes I would. (and have been robbed) I feel compassion for anyone whose broken the law. But hey that's just me and my crazy morals.
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Pretty stupid. Would restricting early voting like the Ohio Republicans are trying to do prevented her from voting in Maryland and Florida?0
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Pretty stupid. Would restricting early voting like the Ohio Republicans are trying to do prevented her from voting in Maryland and Florida?
If someone wants to vote twice there is no law that will prevent it. Lets just stop pretending voter fraud doesn't exist as the reason we shouldn't require voter identification.0 -
And in the 2008 the New Black Panthers intimidated people at polling places with nightsticks and billy clubs on behalf of Obama. They also bussed in loads of uninformed voters who would vote for Obama just based on his skin color, not because they knew a single thing about him...Both parties have disturbing tactics when it comes to votes. Joe Kennedy did it for JFK in 1960..
To address this issue specifically..
There is no test to determine whether someone is "informed" enough to vote. If there were I think you'd see LOTS of changes to.. well a lot of things. But there isn't. We all have the right to vote. We can vote for Donald Duck if we choose and it would be an expression of the freedoms we have in this country.
To say that some people "aren't informed enough to vote" is disgraceful. And to make it a race issue is even worse. How many people do you think refused to vote for Obama simply because he's black? Were they making an informed choice? Or is it only when someone votes Democrat that they're not putting enough thought into it?
I can remember people voting for the George H.W. Bush because they thought Dan Quayle was handsome. Their votes count same as everyone elses. Period.
I do not believe that anyone should NOT be able to vote, I wasn't saying that at all. I was simply describing the kind of people and tactics used by Obama in 08'. They targeted and influenced a certain demographic of people in a less than credible way...to obtain votes.0 -
Let's stop pretending that the Republicans in Ohio attempting to restrict early voting (but only in Democratic areas) has anything to do with voter fraud.0
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Let's stop pretending that the Republicans in Ohio attempting to restrict early voting (but only in Democratic areas) has anything to do with voter fraud.
At least we both agree that Wendy Rosen is stupid!0 -
Florida suing to get illegals out of their voting booths. It looks like Florida marks voters off their roll if they don't confirm citizenship. The Obama administration is preventing them from removing the voters (loss of minority votes) and the state has challenged them. I know this is a new policy but last time I checked illegals should not be voting.. Hasn't this come up in a past topic toward the formation of this group?
Can I just say how disturbing I find your dehumanizing of illegeal immigrants. They are not 'illegeals' they are PEOPLE. How about a bit of compassion for people who are only trying to get a better life for their families. (and yes I know someone who was an illegeal immigrant in America. He was brought there as a child and what he wen through was horrific)
Secondly how do you determine who is an illegeal immigrant based purely in their name? I can guarantee you John Smith wouldn't be picked as an illegeal immigrat. Jose Sanchez might though and THAT is what is wrong with these laws.
Lastly all these people who are crying 'the Democrats do it too mummy!' show some proof. Out of the three examples two have been shown to be complete crap. The one that has a kernel of truth was from 1960. If you need to reach over 50 years ago to show 'proof' that he Democrats do it too (and I'd like to point out that what the accusations were of ballot stuffing not denying people votes. It's also not ever been proven) then you need to sit down.
If you're here because you cheated your way in, or your parents brought you in, you are by definition an illegal. If you break a law, you are a criminal no matter what the intent. Nothing wrong with immigration, if it's done properly. Stop trying to turn this discussion into something it's not.
Can you lefties ever defend a position without trying to bring race, gender, class into it?0 -
They are breaking the law. Would you rather they be called criminals? Felons? Just because they are not impacting your rights to take care of their family does not mean they are right. If someone were to break into your house and steal from you in order to provide a better life for their family would you have compassion for them? Ya... Didn't think so.
Yes I would. (and have been robbed) I feel compassion for anyone whose broken the law. But hey that's just me and my crazy morals.
So when someone is murdered by an illegal, do you feel compassion for the attacker? I'm guessing when they rape a woman or kill a family because they were driving drunk, it means they are actually the victims. There have been people killed by illegals that would probably be alive today if we actually protected out boarders. Of course not all illegal people in this country are bad, but that doesn't bring the people killed by the ones who are scum back.0 -
Florida suing to get illegals out of their voting booths. It looks like Florida marks voters off their roll if they don't confirm citizenship. The Obama administration is preventing them from removing the voters (loss of minority votes) and the state has challenged them. I know this is a new policy but last time I checked illegals should not be voting.. Hasn't this come up in a past topic toward the formation of this group?
Can I just say how disturbing I find your dehumanizing of illegeal immigrants. They are not 'illegeals' they are PEOPLE. How about a bit of compassion for people who are only trying to get a better life for their families. (and yes I know someone who was an illegeal immigrant in America. He was brought there as a child and what he wen through was horrific)
Secondly how do you determine who is an illegeal immigrant based purely in their name? I can guarantee you John Smith wouldn't be picked as an illegeal immigrat. Jose Sanchez might though and THAT is what is wrong with these laws.
Lastly all these people who are crying 'the Democrats do it too mummy!' show some proof. Out of the three examples two have been shown to be complete crap. The one that has a kernel of truth was from 1960. If you need to reach over 50 years ago to show 'proof' that he Democrats do it too (and I'd like to point out that what the accusations were of ballot stuffing not denying people votes. It's also not ever been proven) then you need to sit down.
If you're here because you cheated your way in, or your parents brought you in, you are by definition an illegal. If you break a law, you are a criminal no matter what the intent. Nothing wrong with immigration, if it's done properly. Stop trying to turn this discussion into something it's not.
Can you lefties ever defend a position without trying to bring race, gender, class into it?
The reason I don't get all up in arms against illegal immigrants is because for years they were beckoned here by our citizens for labor. The laws concerning illegal immigration were a joke, and hardly anyone, liberal or conservative enforced them. So while it it is true that they are in fact breaking the law, my anger over the whole issue is hardly ever pointed at poor mexicans who just want to work to feed their families, rather, it is directed at the true source of the problem....people who hire them, If we cracked down hard on hiring illgegals with big fines and actual prison sentences, those jobs would dry up and 80% of the illegal aliens would stop coming. THen we could concentrate on the drur runners and career criminals.0 -
In Pennsylvania, one of the hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised citizen's will be able to vote after all . . . because his son happens to be a media big shot and made a stink.Jim Cramer
@jimcramer
I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship.
That was this morning. This afternoon:Jim Cramer
@jimcramer
PennDot read my Tweet and came directly to the rescue of Pop and did so in a terrific way so he can vote.. Thank you Penndot!
The remaining hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised citizens? S-O-L. Don't expect the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to come "directly to the rescue."
If you're not related to a media star, this is what you can expect.Two government offices, three hour-long lines, two 78-mile trips, two week-long waiting periods, four forms of identity and two signed affidavits later, Pennsylvanians will be allowed to vote.
Under the state's new voter ID laws, which require every voter to show a government-issued photo ID at the polls, that is the epic process thousands of native Pennsylvanians have to go through to get the ID required to cast their ballots in November. And they now have just 56 days to complete it before the election.
"It was hell all told," said Jan Klincewicz, who helped his 87-year-old mother, Jisele, through the process. "To have to go through that kind of rigmarole to exercise her right to vote I think is excessive."
http://www.100wapi.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=112&itemid=29906568
Thanks, Republican House Leader Mike Turzai: "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."0 -
In Pennsylvania, one of the hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised citizen's will be able to vote after all . . . because his son happens to be a media big shot and made a stink.Jim Cramer
@jimcramer
I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship.
That was this morning. This afternoon:Jim Cramer
@jimcramer
PennDot read my Tweet and came directly to the rescue of Pop and did so in a terrific way so he can vote.. Thank you Penndot!
The remaining hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised citizens? S-O-L. Don't expect the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to come "directly to the rescue."
If you're not related to a media star, this is what you can expect.Two government offices, three hour-long lines, two 78-mile trips, two week-long waiting periods, four forms of identity and two signed affidavits later, Pennsylvanians will be allowed to vote.
Under the state's new voter ID laws, which require every voter to show a government-issued photo ID at the polls, that is the epic process thousands of native Pennsylvanians have to go through to get the ID required to cast their ballots in November. And they now have just 56 days to complete it before the election.
"It was hell all told," said Jan Klincewicz, who helped his 87-year-old mother, Jisele, through the process. "To have to go through that kind of rigmarole to exercise her right to vote I think is excessive."
http://www.100wapi.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=112&itemid=29906568
Thanks, Republican House Leader Mike Turzai: "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."
And for all that, the repubs have already conceded Pennsylvania to Obama, pulling out all Super PAC ads. It's truly a sign people don't like your candidate when, 6 weeks from the election you already know your dirty tricks aren't going to work.0
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