Jenna Marbles is spot on.. again.

MikeM53082

I came across this on Facebook this morning. Jenna Marbles is damn funny and spot on with this video titled "Nice Guys Do Not Finish Last". What's your thought on this?

I've seen so many guys make the mistake of being the quintessential 'Nice Guy'. I see it with my friends over and over again and I just want to smack them for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VXXXX9iVPI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

jenbit

Cant watch the video at work ..but with My Mr. Nice Guy it did take some time for me to warm up to him simply cause he was so nice and sweet I was kinda scared I would crush him like a bug. I have a very assertive personality and until he started to show some of his spine (aggressive side) I really didnt want to like him. Most girls I know have said the same thing. However now that he came out of his shell we have really seemed to click :bigsmile:

farmers_daughter

Gotta say I'm gonna have to agree with her. Girls usually stick it out longer when the guy is nice. Becuase then if she's gonna break up with him for whatever reason....it's harder because she knows he's a nice guy and doesn't wanna break his heart, or he'll take it hard. An *kitten* would be either mean, argumentive or just walk away from the situation. (Wait!! I'm just saying if I had to do that. That is probably how I'd imagine it) I'm sure all guys will disagree with me on it though.

Guess this is the first Jenna Marbles thingy I've watched. Just a little touched in the head I think. I could so do a blog. If that's what that is.

DMZ_1

Jenna Marbles is an Internet celebrity who is kind of funny. She does have a Master's Degree, but keep in mind that the Master's Degree has been watered down over time, as has the Bachelor's Degree. The problems with the American education system could go on and on, but this is far from the right forum for that.

Anyway, this video itself.

Her best point is about dating relative to your level of commonality. Everyone's best matches are going to come from those with a degree of commonality. Take a close, honest look at yourself, and look for dates/sexual partners within that range. Women who are really good looking (objective 8.5 and above) are most interested in guys in that range. However, one really obnoxious trait I've observed does not come from women that really good looking . It is a given that the top tier is going to be petulant, diva-esque and difficult to deal with. It comes from women who are 6 and 7 objectively on a looks scale thinking that they are supermodels, behaving like divas and rejecting men in that 6-7 range.

At the same time, a guy that is too nice and boring isn't going to keep a woman around for an extended period of time, so that's where the point veers off course. Being a decent human being is not bad for a guy, but you've got to be assertive, interesting and fun.

Mellie289

She's not wrong.

I used to spend quite a bit of time on the eHarmony advice forum and saw a lot of really Nice Guys whining there all the time about women not giving them a chance and dating bad boys. I'm sure not one of them ever chased women that rated below an 8, when they themselves weren't really all that. There is the whole point of commonality Jenna made, which is good, but also, to go with her swinging for the fence analogy, there are also people who try to play in the big leagues when they belong down in house league. I would say that is more appropriate for her references to people like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt than commonality.

The fact that they perceive themselves as nice makes some people feel entitled to more. Entitlement is not a particular attractive quality. When I've interacted with people who have this Nice Guy outlook, I've generally found that they really aren't all that nice, as said in the video. They aren't the overt jerks they are comparing themselves to, but they can be negative and passive aggressive. The truly nice people I meet just are, without proclaiming it to the world at the top of their lungs.

farmers_daughter

I think I might be taking this waaay off from where the OP had it (Sorry, not my intent!) but I think it kind of goes here.....

Why when a girl breaks up with a guy he says "Nice Guys finish last" and

When a guy breaks up with a girl she says "What did I do wrong" ???

Now not all girls/guys say that(if you think another phrase goes in there share it)... but I'm going to say just like Jenna did that guys "commonly" say that (I think she really said "always" but whatever)

I know I've heard both phrases.

THoughts?

Mellie289

I think I might be taking this waaay off from where the OP had it (Sorry, not my intent!) but I think it kind of goes here.....

Why when a girl breaks up with a guy he says "Nice Guys finish last" and

When a guy breaks up with a girl she says "What did I do wrong" ???

Now not all girls/guys say that(if you think another phrase goes in there share it)... but I'm going to say just like Jenna did that guys "commonly" say that (I think she really said "always" but whatever)

I know I've heard both phrases.

THoughts?

I wouldn't say guys commonly say that. I would say Nice Guys do - men who identify themselves like this, liking being a nice person is their greatest feature. Pffft! Most people I meet are inherently nice to some degree but they have other qualities like they're smart, funny or talented in some other way. They have more dimension to them. These guys are in denial that they hold any responsibility for a relationship not working out. I'm sure there are plenty of women who do so also, but I don't know that there is a cliche like "Nice guys finish last" that's used by them typically as their excuse.

TheKitsune6

"Nice guys" aren't nice. They're manipulative.

TheKitsune6

This is another fun cartoon representation. To be clear, I find that women are absolutely guilty of this same thing.

farmers_daughter

"Nice guys" aren't nice. They're manipulative.

Wait...you guys are making me think waay too hard....but this little cartoon as cute as it is.... If I picture me as the nice guy and my ex boyfriend as the girl :huh: ......that kinda happened. Don't think I meant it to. But wholy crap. That means I'm a bad nice guy.

Ok so I am kind of laughing but only to make myself feel better at the moment.:laugh: Cause I'm really having "a moment". :embarassed:

TheKitsune6

Ok so I am kind of laughing but only to make myself feel better at the moment.:laugh: Cause I'm really having "a moment". :embarassed:

Well the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Though to be fair, it IS okay to be friends before a relationship develops. The difference in the comic is that he is pretending to be her friend until he can trick her into being in a relationship instead of being up front and honest about his feelings. So he's not really her friend.

farmers_daughter

Ok so I am kind of laughing but only to make myself feel better at the moment.:laugh: Cause I'm really having "a moment". :embarassed:

Well the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Though to be fair, it IS okay to be friends before a relationship develops. The difference in the comic is that he is pretending to be her friend until he can trick her into being in a relationship instead of being up front and honest about his feelings. So he's not really her friend.

Ok.....feeling a little better, because I DONT do that, and did not. Sorry sometimes I'm a little slower upstairs than I am in my fingers.
Dang it I'm such a worry wart....they need an icon for *facepalm*

TheKitsune6

Ok so I am kind of laughing but only to make myself feel better at the moment.:laugh: Cause I'm really having "a moment". :embarassed:

Well the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Though to be fair, it IS okay to be friends before a relationship develops. The difference in the comic is that he is pretending to be her friend until he can trick her into being in a relationship instead of being up front and honest about his feelings. So he's not really her friend.

Ok.....feeling a little better, because I DONT do that, and did not. Sorry sometimes I'm a little slower upstairs than I am in my fingers.
Dang it I'm such a worry wart....they need an icon for *facepalm*

Like so?

Nah, there's a difference between misunderstanding something and being "slow". I haven't seen anything to suggest any such extreme.

rainman3k

Well the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Though to be fair, it IS okay to be friends before a relationship develops. The difference in the comic is that he is pretending to be her friend until he can trick her into being in a relationship instead of being up front and honest about his feelings. So he's not really her friend.

Wow, thank you for clarifying this! I almost had an anxiety attack thinking this was how I had been acting, lol

I was going to say as long as you are upfront and let them know you are interested in more than being friends from the beginning it makes everything easier, but you run the risk of losing them while you are just being friends!

TheKitsune6

Well the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Though to be fair, it IS okay to be friends before a relationship develops. The difference in the comic is that he is pretending to be her friend until he can trick her into being in a relationship instead of being up front and honest about his feelings. So he's not really her friend.

Wow, thank you for clarifying this! I almost had an anxiety attack thinking this was how I had been acting, lol

I was going to say as long as you are upfront and let them know you are interested in more than being friends from the beginning it makes everything easier, but you run the risk of losing them while you are just being friends!

I've been in situations where a guy said "I want to be friends" and I said "I'll never be your friend, because I want to have sex with you. I'll hang out, but know that I'm interested in more."

So yeah, I agree that as long as you are not being a conniving, manipulative opportunist then you're in the clear. If they don't want to be friends after that then I guess they didn't like you that much anyway and your time is better spent on more fruit bearing pursuits.

oddyogi

Funny, I just caught up on Jenna Marbles videos today and I watched this one first. I definitely agree with everything she said. Most "nice guys" who complain about nice guys finishing last never actually do anything proactive to asking a girl out, and if they do, it's a girl way out of their league or a girl who already has a boyfriend.

samcee

I love Jenna Marbles!! Shes hilarious! She keeps it real. Totally would love to have more friends like that. I love her bluntness XD

Ready2Rock206

Love Jenna and she's spot on. Never dumped a guy for being nice. Dumped a guy for being a jobless, money sucking, cheater. I would love a nice guy.

Carl01

Okay,watched the video and guess I will have to be the old fuddy duddy,contrarian here.

I found it crass and boorish,trust me...I know the F word and can use it,just not every third word out of my mouth.
Those that do so are usually ignorant so taking advice from them is probably a bad idea.

Now,lets assume that persona was to be cool what of the things she actually talks about.
Sure there are people,male and female,that have hopeless ideals of what they want and that is almost always a recipe for disaster,so she is correct however even a broken clock is right twice a day

Beyond that it becomes a rambling and disjointed attempt to be humorous in some way.
A decent guy tried to screw your dog or got your sister pregnant...really?
Come on...this is a comedy routine for teenagers and perhaps many find it funny but very little credence needs to be given to it as far as the realities of life goes.

MikeM53082

Okay,watched the video and guess I will have to be the old fuddy duddy,contrarian here.

I found it crass and boorish,trust me...I know the F word and can use it,just not every third word out of my mouth.
Those that do so are usually ignorant so taking advice from them is probably a bad idea.

Now,lets assume that persona was to be cool what of the things she actually talks about.
Sure there are people,male and female,that have hopeless ideals of what they want and that is almost always a recipe for disaster,so she is correct however even a broken clock is right twice a day

Beyond that it becomes a rambling and disjointed attempt to be humorous in some way.
A decent guy tried to screw your dog or got your sister pregnant...really?
Come on...this is a comedy routine for teenagers and perhaps many find it funny but very little credence needs to be given to it as far as the realities of life goes.

You're right on this one Carl. However, I think that's part of Jenna Marbles appeal. She's over-the-top, "cooler than thou", self entitled brat.

For me, I have a "love to hate" type of relationship with all the Jenna Marbles videos. I think she means well and makes a lot of valid points.. but comes off as a major b*tch more often than not.

Nerple

Okay,watched the video and guess I will have to be the old fuddy duddy,contrarian here.

I found it crass and boorish,trust me...I know the F word and can use it,just not every third word out of my mouth.
Those that do so are usually ignorant so taking advice from them is probably a bad idea.

Now,lets assume that persona was to be cool what of the things she actually talks about.
Sure there are people,male and female,that have hopeless ideals of what they want and that is almost always a recipe for disaster,so she is correct however even a broken clock is right twice a day

Beyond that it becomes a rambling and disjointed attempt to be humorous in some way.
A decent guy tried to screw your dog or got your sister pregnant...really?
Come on...this is a comedy routine for teenagers and perhaps many find it funny but very little credence needs to be given to it as far as the realities of life goes.

You're right on this one Carl. However, I think that's part of Jenna Marbles appeal. She's over-the-top, "cooler than thou", self entitled brat.

For me, I have a "love to hate" type of relationship with all the Jenna Marbles videos. I think she means well and makes a lot of valid points.. but comes off as a major b*tch more often than not.

I'm pretty much the same. While I agreed with the general premise that Nice Guys finish last is a BS excuse, I disagreed with every one of her points, and thought she came off *****y and got motion sickness from her weird head bob.