Radio restrictions.
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I would also like political discourse removed from the airwaves since it has the potential to lead to bloodshed.
Now cheer up, Evan!
If the intended nature of political discourse were to cause bloodshed, your comparison would be more apt to sway me, Swanny. The intended use of emergency signals is to cause people to alter their driving. When one party believes that's happening and another doesn't, risk increases. A few weeks ago I saw a car get plowed by fire engine; I guess they weren't listening. Perhaps they should have been distracted. This is just the opposite of that case. Both are deviations from expected behavior due to a failure in communication.0 -
That's generally my intended nature.If the intended nature of political discourse were to cause bloodshed, your comparison would be more apt to sway me, Swanny.0 -
Why can't people read. Ever? I did compare it to yelling fire in a theater...because a comparison can be made along with a contrast. I didn't say it was analogous. I mentioned it because goes to the limits we have for free speech. I didn't say it was as dangerous as that, but thanks so much for putting words in my mouth.
I stand by my statement that it's potentially dangerous. It's a needless distraction that has a direct effect on behavior. For example, I might wonder why this clown is slowing down and trying to pull off to the side of the road. Going from any position in a road to another position is what is known as "going from a position of safety to an unsafe position." It increases the chances bad things to happen. Obviously other drivers should be driving carefully enough to avoid accidents, and obviously drivers who might be fooled should be able to pull over without causing a problem. Neither of those facts negate possible negligence on the part of the distraction in the first place from a legal standpoint. Fault in these situations is never a zero sum game.
Whether or not you agree that someone should be able to tell the difference in time is irrelevant. As it happens, I have some mild hearing loss. Depending on how realistic the sound is, I have trouble telling how real it is regardless of how loud it is. Clearly some people think the solution is for me to not listen to the radio, whereas I think the solution is to simply not play fake siren noises that would otherwise serve to alert people to emergencies were they not being used in a deceptive way. At that point it's a matter of opinion.
EDIT: and before it even gets bloody mentioned, yes I did say it was potentially more dangerous than yelling fire in a theater...because it is. It's also potentially much less dangerous.
wow. just wow. hopefully you dont eat while watching tv. a siren could come on and you could get distracted and accidently poke your eye out.0 -
Why can't people read. Ever? I did compare it to yelling fire in a theater...because a comparison can be made along with a contrast. I didn't say it was analogous. I mentioned it because goes to the limits we have for free speech. I didn't say it was as dangerous as that, but thanks so much for putting words in my mouth.
I stand by my statement that it's potentially dangerous. It's a needless distraction that has a direct effect on behavior. For example, I might wonder why this clown is slowing down and trying to pull off to the side of the road. Going from any position in a road to another position is what is known as "going from a position of safety to an unsafe position." It increases the chances bad things to happen. Obviously other drivers should be driving carefully enough to avoid accidents, and obviously drivers who might be fooled should be able to pull over without causing a problem. Neither of those facts negate possible negligence on the part of the distraction in the first place from a legal standpoint. Fault in these situations is never a zero sum game.
Whether or not you agree that someone should be able to tell the difference in time is irrelevant. As it happens, I have some mild hearing loss. Depending on how realistic the sound is, I have trouble telling how real it is regardless of how loud it is. Clearly some people think the solution is for me to not listen to the radio, whereas I think the solution is to simply not play fake siren noises that would otherwise serve to alert people to emergencies were they not being used in a deceptive way. At that point it's a matter of opinion.
EDIT: and before it even gets bloody mentioned, yes I did say it was potentially more dangerous than yelling fire in a theater...because it is. It's also potentially much less dangerous.
wow. just wow. hopefully you dont eat while watching tv. a siren could come on and you could get distracted and accidently poke your eye out.
As usual, awesome feedback. Much appreciated.
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Why can't people read. Ever? I did compare it to yelling fire in a theater...because a comparison can be made along with a contrast. I didn't say it was analogous. I mentioned it because goes to the limits we have for free speech. I didn't say it was as dangerous as that, but thanks so much for putting words in my mouth.
I stand by my statement that it's potentially dangerous. It's a needless distraction that has a direct effect on behavior. For example, I might wonder why this clown is slowing down and trying to pull off to the side of the road. Going from any position in a road to another position is what is known as "going from a position of safety to an unsafe position." It increases the chances bad things to happen. Obviously other drivers should be driving carefully enough to avoid accidents, and obviously drivers who might be fooled should be able to pull over without causing a problem. Neither of those facts negate possible negligence on the part of the distraction in the first place from a legal standpoint. Fault in these situations is never a zero sum game.
Whether or not you agree that someone should be able to tell the difference in time is irrelevant. As it happens, I have some mild hearing loss. Depending on how realistic the sound is, I have trouble telling how real it is regardless of how loud it is. Clearly some people think the solution is for me to not listen to the radio, whereas I think the solution is to simply not play fake siren noises that would otherwise serve to alert people to emergencies were they not being used in a deceptive way. At that point it's a matter of opinion.
EDIT: and before it even gets bloody mentioned, yes I did say it was potentially more dangerous than yelling fire in a theater...because it is. It's also potentially much less dangerous.
wow. just wow. hopefully you dont eat while watching tv. a siren could come on and you could get distracted and accidently poke your eye out.
As usual, awesome feedback. Much appreciated.
/sarcasm.
at least i make sense. you are the one that keeps rambling about safety and fake sirens on the radio.
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at least i make sense. you are the one that keeps rambling about safety and fake sirens on the radio.
You make sense to yourself. I obviously disagree. But instead of trying to have a conversation about it, you just present passive aggressive incredulity and imply that I'm not only wrong but completely out of touch with reality. Neither of which is useful at all, unless you're just trying to be a troll.
As to the image, yeah, I'm a little annoyed. There's nothing wrong with that. I come here looking for real conversation (hence the title of the group). Mostly what you seem to be giving me are just your assumptions about how reality works.
So again, you're not being all that useful, though I'm sure you're entertaining yourself--that's what trolls do, after all.0 -
at least i make sense. you are the one that keeps rambling about safety and fake sirens on the radio.
You make sense to yourself. I obviously disagree. But instead of trying to have a conversation about it, you just present passive aggressive incredulity and imply that I'm not only wrong but completely out of touch with reality. Neither of which is useful at all, unless you're just trying to be a troll.
As to the image, yeah, I'm a little annoyed. There's nothing wrong with that. I come here looking for real conversation (hence the title of the group). Mostly what you seem to be giving me are just your assumptions about how reality works.
So again, you're not being all that useful, though I'm sure you're entertaining yourself--that's what trolls do, after all.
lol you dont know the definition of troll. sometimes people makes statements that are so far out in left field(like yours) that there is no reasonable way to talk to them. your statement is on par with the moon landing deniers.0 -
at least i make sense. you are the one that keeps rambling about safety and fake sirens on the radio.
You make sense to yourself. I obviously disagree. But instead of trying to have a conversation about it, you just present passive aggressive incredulity and imply that I'm not only wrong but completely out of touch with reality. Neither of which is useful at all, unless you're just trying to be a troll.
As to the image, yeah, I'm a little annoyed. There's nothing wrong with that. I come here looking for real conversation (hence the title of the group). Mostly what you seem to be giving me are just your assumptions about how reality works.
So again, you're not being all that useful, though I'm sure you're entertaining yourself--that's what trolls do, after all.
lol you dont know the definition of troll. sometimes people makes statements that are so far out in left field(like yours) that there is no reasonable way to talk to them. your statement is on par with the moon landing deniers.
Conveniently dismissing my argument because you claim it's too crazy address directly, despite the fact that I've laid out specific points you could talk about in more detail, doesn't make you right. It makes you either inarticulate or lazy.
It's a perfectly legit stance to assert that I'm wrong, but you can't just assume you're right and expect anything to happen. That's why you're a toll. You're not actually engaging with the discussion (because you falsely claim it's too crazy to engage with), and instead you just keep saying the equivalent of "you're wrong" to every point I bring up without bothering to state why. Because you're not trying to have the discussion, and think that it can't be had but still participate with comments, your goal isn't to be productive at all. Otherwise you just wouldn't comment. You just want to keep things going because it entertains you. Thus you're a troll.0 -
Conveniently dismissing my argument because you claim it's too crazy address directly, despite the fact that I've laid out specific points you could talk about in more detail, doesn't make you right. It makes you either inarticulate or lazy.
It's a perfectly legit stance to assert that I'm wrong, but you can't just assume you're right and expect anything to happen. That's why you're a toll. You're not actually engaging with the discussion (because you falsely claim it's too crazy to engage with), and instead you just keep saying the equivalent of "you're wrong" to every point I bring up without bothering to state why. Because you're not trying to have the discussion, and think that it can't be had but still participate with comments, your goal isn't to be productive at all. Otherwise you just wouldn't comment. You just want to keep things going because it entertains you. Thus you're a troll.
its like arguing with someone who claims Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino because he has a ring. there is no need to prove anything because the person is just fundamentally wrong.
and as much as i am saying "you're wrong" you are just saying "i'm right" it cuts both ways. but the difference is you have the minority opinion. if it is upsetting to you to have sirens on the radio my guess is that you probably view lots of things in this world as dangerous. id love to know what else worries you.(not really)0 -
Conveniently dismissing my argument because you claim it's too crazy address directly, despite the fact that I've laid out specific points you could talk about in more detail, doesn't make you right. It makes you either inarticulate or lazy.
It's a perfectly legit stance to assert that I'm wrong, but you can't just assume you're right and expect anything to happen. That's why you're a toll. You're not actually engaging with the discussion (because you falsely claim it's too crazy to engage with), and instead you just keep saying the equivalent of "you're wrong" to every point I bring up without bothering to state why. Because you're not trying to have the discussion, and think that it can't be had but still participate with comments, your goal isn't to be productive at all. Otherwise you just wouldn't comment. You just want to keep things going because it entertains you. Thus you're a troll.
its like arguing with someone who claims Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino because he has a ring. there is no need to prove anything because the person is just fundamentally wrong.
and as much as i am saying "you're wrong" you are just saying "i'm right" it cuts both ways. but the difference is you have the minority opinion. if it is upsetting to you to have sirens on the radio my guess is that you probably view lots of things in this world as dangerous. id love to know what else worries you.(not really)
Except that I've actually given reasons for why I think it's dangerous. Dangerous is of course a relative term. You have yet to say why you think I'm wrong other than "no you're wrong." And again, you're allowed to have that view, but it doesn't hold any more validity than mine if all you have to offer is your opinion.
In the interest of honesty, I don't particularly appreciate your mocking tone, but I don't imagine you care much either.0 -
"In my opinion, it's not that dissimilar to yelling fire in a crowded theater--except that it's potentially worse when we're talking about large moving projectiles on the interstate. "
here you are in the first post saying its similar and potentially worse than yelling fire. how can i prove to you how wrong this is? its just common sense.
and dont play like you are offended you are the one throwing the "troll" word around.0 -
"In my opinion, it's not that dissimilar to yelling fire in a crowded theater--except that it's potentially worse when we're talking about large moving projectiles on the interstate. "
here you are in the first post saying its similar and potentially worse than yelling fire. how can i prove to you how wrong this is? its just common sense.
and dont play like you are offended you are the one throwing the "troll" word around.
First let me quote myself from an edit I made to a previous post several hours before this most recent response of yours. You may have missed it:EDIT: and before it even gets bloody mentioned, yes I did say it was potentially more dangerous than yelling fire in a theater...because it is. It's also potentially much less dangerous.
It's relative, I can think of scenarios where yelling fire in a crowded theater would cause little to no concern or reaction. It really depends on how seriously people take it based on delivery. I think the same is probably true for emergency signals. Once again i stand by the comparison.
(this is me providing a rationale for what I've just said btw)
Yelling "fire!" is like an emergency signal that tells people that they should be alert to possible hazards. Since you bring up common sense, I think it's probably common sense that people should not panic in those situation or trample each other. It doesn't always work out that way, though. It's a warning and cause for concern. So are sirens. Performing either action in a manner that's only intent is deception raises the risks for potential harm.
Additionally, you're using words like "proof" which makes me think you're missing the point. You haven't even bothered to provide a rationale, let alone evidence that would be required to prove anything. You believe what you're saying is self evident. Clearly it isn't a universal Truth.
Your statement about me being offended is a little confusing, truthfully. I called you a troll because I think it's a fairly accurate descriptor for someone who posts taunting internet memes in a supposed debate group instead of actually debating. That's not me insulting you so much as me asking you to stop being insulting. If you'd prefer to not be labeled as a troll, I would suggest that you stop acting like one.0 -
you are the one saying this is dangerous. its on you to show reports and statistics showing that these sirens are causing accidents.
anyone can claim anything is dangerous. if i make an outrageous claim its on me to prove it. its not up to the rest of society to prove im wrong.
it seems like the vast majority of people dont have a problem with it and can handle hearing a fake siren. so hopefully you have decided to keep your radio off while you drive so you dont run into someone. is the reason you started this thread because you almost caused an accident due to a fake siren?0 -
"In my opinion, it's not that dissimilar to yelling fire in a crowded theater--except that it's potentially worse when we're talking about large moving projectiles on the interstate. "
here you are in the first post saying its similar and potentially worse than yelling fire. how can i prove to you how wrong this is? its just common sense.
and dont play like you are offended you are the one throwing the "troll" word around.
The fact that you can make quotation marks in your posts is proof that your Shift key works. Yet you continue to ignore this, and do not capitalize your sentences. You also don't use apostrophes when using conjunctions. Perhaps you shouldn't be typing, if you can't do something so simple.
See how ****ing stupid of an argument that is? Yet you continue to make something similar out of someone's OPINION, simply because it's different than your own. You offer nothing but "lol you shouldnt be driving" or "how can i prove to you how wrong this is?" You're not going to prove anyone wrong. All you offer up is a bunch of BS. If you truly feel that way, why not elaborate more intelligently.0 -
"In my opinion, it's not that dissimilar to yelling fire in a crowded theater--except that it's potentially worse when we're talking about large moving projectiles on the interstate. "
here you are in the first post saying its similar and potentially worse than yelling fire. how can i prove to you how wrong this is? its just common sense.
and dont play like you are offended you are the one throwing the "troll" word around.
The fact that you can make quotation marks in your posts is proof that your Shift key works. Yet you continue to ignore this, and do not capitalize your sentences. You also don't use apostrophes when using conjunctions. Perhaps you shouldn't be typing, if you can't do something so simple.
See how ****ing stupid of an argument that is? Yet you continue to make something similar out of someone's OPINION, simply because it's different than your own. You offer nothing but "lol you shouldnt be driving" or "how can i prove to you how wrong this is?" You're not going to prove anyone wrong. All you offer up is a bunch of BS. If you truly feel that way, why not elaborate more intelligently.
veiled profanity! how eloquent. its funny because it seems like you are trying to take some kind of high road. its also funny that you notice and comment on punctuation and such.0 -
you are the one saying this is dangerous. its on you to show reports and statistics showing that these sirens are causing accidents.
anyone can claim anything is dangerous. if i make an outrageous claim its on me to prove it. its not up to the rest of society to prove im wrong.
it seems like the vast majority of people dont have a problem with it and can handle hearing a fake siren. so hopefully you have decided to keep your radio off while you drive so you dont run into someone. is the reason you started this thread because you almost caused an accident due to a fake siren?
To answer your final question first, no. In an odd happenstance, I heard a commercial--I think. it may have been part of a talk show--use a siren as part of their effects. It generally irritates me when this happens. Weirdly, about a minute later I heard another siren, which sounded very much like the first. This time it was a police car. I was driving by the station at the time, so it's not completely unexpected. No accident happened, but it did get me thinking.
That's why I posted the topic in the first place.
I wanted other people's perspectives. And you've given yours. Unfortunately, you also seem to think that yours is somehow more right than mine for no particular reason other than you feel that it makes more sense in a way that you're choosing not to articulate for some reason.0 -
"In my opinion, it's not that dissimilar to yelling fire in a crowded theater--except that it's potentially worse when we're talking about large moving projectiles on the interstate. "
here you are in the first post saying its similar and potentially worse than yelling fire. how can i prove to you how wrong this is? its just common sense.
and dont play like you are offended you are the one throwing the "troll" word around.
The fact that you can make quotation marks in your posts is proof that your Shift key works. Yet you continue to ignore this, and do not capitalize your sentences. You also don't use apostrophes when using conjunctions. Perhaps you shouldn't be typing, if you can't do something so simple.
See how ****ing stupid of an argument that is? Yet you continue to make something similar out of someone's OPINION, simply because it's different than your own. You offer nothing but "lol you shouldnt be driving" or "how can i prove to you how wrong this is?" You're not going to prove anyone wrong. All you offer up is a bunch of BS. If you truly feel that way, why not elaborate more intelligently.
veiled profanity! how eloquent. its funny because it seems like you are trying to take some kind of high road. its also funny that you notice and comment on punctuation and such.
Well thank God you figured me out. There was no meaning to my post whatsoever, just "veiled profanity" up on my high road. So glad we have the voice of reason to distinguish between BS and the-absolute-100%-right-opinions, such as yours.0 -
"In my opinion, it's not that dissimilar to yelling fire in a crowded theater--except that it's potentially worse when we're talking about large moving projectiles on the interstate. "
here you are in the first post saying its similar and potentially worse than yelling fire. how can i prove to you how wrong this is? its just common sense.
and dont play like you are offended you are the one throwing the "troll" word around.
The fact that you can make quotation marks in your posts is proof that your Shift key works. Yet you continue to ignore this, and do not capitalize your sentences. You also don't use apostrophes when using conjunctions. Perhaps you shouldn't be typing, if you can't do something so simple.
See how ****ing stupid of an argument that is? Yet you continue to make something similar out of someone's OPINION, simply because it's different than your own. You offer nothing but "lol you shouldnt be driving" or "how can i prove to you how wrong this is?" You're not going to prove anyone wrong. All you offer up is a bunch of BS. If you truly feel that way, why not elaborate more intelligently.
veiled profanity! how eloquent. its funny because it seems like you are trying to take some kind of high road. its also funny that you notice and comment on punctuation and such.
Well thank God you figured me out. There was no meaning to my post whatsoever, just "veiled profanity" up on my high road. So glad we have the voice of reason to distinguish between BS and the-absolute-100%-right-opinions, such as yours.
im glad you have finally seen the light and realize that i'm right.
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