Getting below 10% BF
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no, im not neglecting the hard work that body builders do. My original point, was to take one half of a bodybuilders training/diet regime and neglect the other half does not give a total picture of what they're doing. It would be akin to me saying "I got ripped doing this style of training" whilst neglecting to mention my deficit
To say that If OP does the cardio and trains 6-7 times a week with loads of cardio neglects why they're able to do that, because they're advanced trainees who supplement their training (which OP is not). Im not saying Oujas style of training wont work, i was more nitpicking his example because i was in a bad mood.
The point with Dbol, isnt that they're taking it on a cut, its that they take steroids and also cutting agents in cycles to get where they are, like i said, its about the total picture, not half of it.
Im ducking out of this thread now, as im throwing it totally off topic. Apologies to OP
They don't always look rip, you are seeing too many magazine covers. Most of the year most amateur and pro bodybuilders are bulky and just carry a lot of volume. about 9-12 weeks they start cutting from as much as 25% 29% to 4-6 percent with the help of agents. Like I said, they are agents and their diet has to be clean as hell. A lot of the reasons why they may gain a lot of fat it could be due to a high usage of insulin, or eating extremely high calories during the bulk period. A natural bodybuilder can stay at 15% and if he does everything right he can get to 4-5 % in 9-12 weeks. Cutting down from 25% to 3-4% in 9-12 weeks can be unrealistic without the use of agents. If a pro bodybuilder were to stay in within 15% he could realistically go down to 3-4 percent if he does everything right without the use of any agents. They do however use gear to prevent muscle loss during the cutting phase, and other gear to encourage vascularity and hardness. At that point they are more concerned about not being bloated, and are not concerned about using anything to gain muscle. So their usage of AAS is only meant to preserve muscle. A natural bodybuilder will lose some muscle and sometimes a lot depending on how they eat and train.
To make matters short, proper dieting naturally and unnaturally will yield the same results without drugs. For unnatural bodybuilders they use things to preserve muscle but other than that the use of agents such as clen/t3 are used for them
to catch up from large fat gain deficits. It only helps them about 10-15%, the rest is the diet. The process to burn fat never changes regardless of what we take. I can tell you many who have used t3/clen gotten bad results with no diet.0 -
@ Foxy and Wolf - Agents aside, what does a bodybuilders cutting diet look like? What do they eat that allows them to lose so much BF in 9 - 12 weeks? I'm assuming very high protein, what do they do with fats/carbs?0
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Forget my last question. Lets get your opinion on this. I googled bodybuilding cutting diet and the following page came up:
http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html
Without going into all the math, by his suggestion, my macros should be as follows:
Pro: 180g - 46%
fat: 50g - 29%
carb: 101g - 25%
re-feed once every 6 to 12 days
My current macros look like this:
TD = training day
RD = rest day
pro: TD-29% RD-33% 144g
fat: TD-35% RD-33% 64 to 76g
carb: TD-35% RD-33% 145 to 172g
Now I usually end up getting more like 180 g of protein and 50 grams of fat which fit more into the macros above. Do you think I should follow the article's suggestions or keep doing what I'm doing?0 -
Sounds like what you're doing is closer to Layne's numbers anyway. And as always if you are making progress then stick with it.0
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@ Foxy and Wolf - Agents aside, what does a bodybuilders cutting diet look like? What do they eat that allows them to lose so much BF in 9 - 12 weeks? I'm assuming very high protein, what do they do with fats/carbs?
Honestly a diet that is high in protein, lower carbohydrate, and moderate fats. Bodybuilders love eating oats, and is sometimes the most favorite carbs. They avoid starchy carbs like potatoes, carrots, and anything that is high glycemic during this phase. They want to encourage lower glycemic levels through the day so some prefer to have their carbs early in the morning after weights if they lift early. Some things have evolved over the years.
They also do a lot of cardio, sometimes 45 min to 1 hour fasted and 30 min after weights.
The natural bodybuilder ends up shredding weight extremely fast but at the same time losing muscle so that is why a true natural event you will notice the guys smaller than they should be. That is not the case for the bodybuilder who is not natural, he diets the same but may shred weight faster because he may be taking agents that raise his body temperature, increase thyroid output, and etc that actually may eat muscle as fuel so they take AAS that are less androgenic, more anabolic, and that help to preserve mass without bloating them. Last thing they want is to bloat because they work hard days before the even to shred as much water off their body as possible.
To answer your question, bodybuilders don't use different methods to diet than what you seen out there. Everything is the same man. Chris Davey went through Lyle's Mcdonalds extreme fat loss at some point and that is very close to how bodybuilders diet. They eat dark greens, lean meats because fattier meats may add more calories to a deficit. Makes it easier to balance calories and add other nutrients that you need, and eat anywhere from 80-150 carbs. Just a matter of preference really.
Chris is right, stick to what is working so far but don't let water weight deceive you. Some people can diet with little cardio, and others need it more. Measure your results based on what you are doing and if it helps you keep consistency then keep your diet simple. You can get creative like Chris if you want but that may not work out for people who get so stressed out about figuring out what they want to eat. Most people should know what they should eat and Chris happens to be one of them.0 -
I feel like i'm stealing this thread from stphnstevey, I apologize.
So far I didn't have to follow a "cutting" diet because at 60 pounds heavier, weight came off fairly easily eating anything but at a deficit. Seems though, to get below 15%, I'm going to have to switch to a cutting type philosophy which is what attracted me to this thread. I just switched a week ago or so to lower my carbs to 150 so I can't tell you if it's working or not. Only time will tell that. Thanks guys for the advice, I appreciate it.0
