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MassiveDelta
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The greater of two evils.
Goodbye "dollar"
Goodbye "dollar"
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Good by America. But hey, if the country falls, at least we'll have free birth control, unlimited unemployment/welfare, free phones and healthcare. Trading prosperity for all of the above is obviously worth it.0
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I wholeheartedly disagree. The better choice was made. Now to get everyone working in a bipartisan way to solve issues, instead of deliberate obstructionism to further an agenda.0
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Good by America. But hey, if the country falls, at least we'll have free birth control, unlimited unemployment/welfare, free phones and healthcare. Trading prosperity for all of the above is obviously worth it.
WHAT is your damage about birth control??? Do you realize that if we prevented these unwanted/unneeded pregancies, that it is cheaper in the long run? Else we'd have MORE people sucking off the government. More of them to feed, send to school ect...it's bes that the births be prevented in the first place. I too and tired of paying for people to live for nothing...but I'd rather have just them as opposed to them AND their 8+ kids from different fathers.0 -
forgive the spelling in the above post.0
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I wholeheartedly disagree. The better choice was made. Now to get everyone working in a bipartisan way to solve issues, instead of deliberate obstructionism to further an agenda.
I disagree with you. THAT is the reason the current president hasn't done anything...congress has been a roadblock for the past 4 years, and they'll continue to be for another 4.0 -
You disagree with me? It sounds like you agree. Or maybe I wasn't clear, I'm not sure. I think the better choice was made last night. And I think that in order to move forward, all the obstructionism needs to cease.0
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The guy with the best ideas, the best campaign, and the best "maths".
Come back when you work through your stages of grief and we'll talk. There's not a lot to say when people are still in the Denial and Anger stages.0 -
azdak For a guy so smart i dont understand how you can be so dim about economics.
I mean ForREALZ and ****. You just said maths you haughty has *****.
47% got him elected.
when you offer someone candy of course they are going to come back for more. <Thats the ****in' MATHS0 -
Seen from the outside the US seems a deeply divided nation. For a nation which claims to be the defender of democracy, there seems to be a marked reluctance , on the part of Mr Rommney's supporters, to accept the result of a democratic process. The election is over and it is the responsibility of every citizen to accept the result and support the elected President. The alternative is stagnation and further division. That's what should happen in a mature democracy. Outside observers simply shake their heads more in sorrow than in anger.0
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Maths is a word. It's the plural of math. It's primarily British, but still commonly used throughout the English-speaking world. Presumably, the Obama team used many mathematical models to determine budgets, therefore the use of maths is grammatically correct.
I get the anger and denial part. I felt that both times W was elected.
Right now though, it would be fantastic to get folks working together to avoid the fiscal cliff. Quit with the obstructionism and filibustering and get down to bipartisan action. Until the Republicans can stop acting like babies who have a sole goal of defeating Obama, rather than repairing the nation, we are going to stagnate.0 -
Seen from the outside the US seems a deeply divided nation. For a nation which claims to be the defender of democracy, there seems to be a marked reluctance , on the part of Mr Rommney's supporters, to accept the result of a democratic process. The election is over and it is the responsibility of every citizen to accept the result and support the elected President. The alternative is stagnation and further division. That's what should happen in a mature democracy. Outside observers simply shake their heads more in sorrow than in anger.
You don't understand. We are living in a socitety of people who believe they are entitled to government assistance. They don't work, they don't contribute to society...they just mooch off the government the ENTIRE lives. They are non-essentials and we have to support them. WE don't like that. Nobody should get anything for free..that is the way we were raised. Obama is all about coddling people and giving certain people everything and tax the hell out of the rest of us. I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I make a little more than half of my paycheck because I've got to support the indigents of this country. THAT is why we are up in arms.0 -
"They are non essentials" does this include the disabled, the frail elderly, the handicapped or should such ' non essentials' simply be eliminated. Does compassion, understanding and simple human decency have any place in the society you espouse. I am not arguing that people who are physicaly fit and able to work be able to opt out of employment. The fact is that many people need government help and investment to find work. I can understand the frustration felt by people who are working hard for little reward and perceive others living off the state. How do young people find employment when many of the jobs they would have taken have been outsourced overseas simply in the pursuit of profit? I agree that companies need to make a profit so that they can grow and invest. They also have a moral responsibilkity to their employees and to the greater society in which they function and on which they depend for their consumers.Seen from the outside the US seems a deeply divided nation. For a nation which claims to be the defender of democracy, there seems to be a marked reluctance , on the part of Mr Rommney's supporters, to accept the result of a democratic process. The election is over and it is the responsibility of every citizen to accept the result and support the elected President. The alternative is stagnation and further division. That's what should happen in a mature democracy. Outside observers simply shake their heads more in sorrow than in anger.
You don't understand. We are living in a socitety of people who believe they are entitled to government assistance. They don't work, they don't contribute to society...they just mooch off the government the ENTIRE lives. They are non-essentials and we have to support them. WE don't like that. Nobody should get anything for free..that is the way we were raised. Obama is all about coddling people and giving certain people everything and tax the hell out of the rest of us. I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I make a little more than half of my paycheck because I've got to support the indigents of this country. THAT is why we are up in arms.0 -
Wow. I can't fathom calling another human being a "non-essential".0
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Wow. I can't fathom calling another human being a "non-essential".
It's all part of the alternate reality that these people have constructed to allow them to deal with a world they don't understand.
We live in a complex, changing world, faced with complex problems. There are no quick answers. Some people just don't have the ol' "gumption" to hang in there, stick it out, and work constructively to make things better.
It's easier to just sit back and blame some vague, faceless, mob of people for "stealing" your stuff.0 -
azdak For a guy so smart i dont understand how you can be so dim about economics.
I mean ForREALZ and ****. You just said maths you haughty has *****.
47% got him elected.
when you offer someone candy of course they are going to come back for more. <Thats the ****in' MATHS
Ouch. That's embarrassing. You really don't know the cultural reference?0 -
"They are non essentials" does this include the disabled, the frail elderly, the handicapped or should such ' non essentials' simply be eliminated. Does compassion, understanding and simple human decency have any place in the society you espouse. I am not arguing that people who are physicaly fit and able to work be able to opt out of employment. The fact is that many people need government help and investment to find work. I can understand the frustration felt by people who are working hard for little reward and perceive others living off the state. How do young people find employment when many of the jobs they would have taken have been outsourced overseas simply in the pursuit of profit? I agree that companies need to make a profit so that they can grow and invest. They also have a moral responsibilkity to their employees and to the greater society in which they function and on which they depend for their consumers.Seen from the outside the US seems a deeply divided nation. For a nation which claims to be the defender of democracy, there seems to be a marked reluctance , on the part of Mr Rommney's supporters, to accept the result of a democratic process. The election is over and it is the responsibility of every citizen to accept the result and support the elected President. The alternative is stagnation and further division. That's what should happen in a mature democracy. Outside observers simply shake their heads more in sorrow than in anger.
You don't understand. We are living in a socitety of people who believe they are entitled to government assistance. They don't work, they don't contribute to society...they just mooch off the government the ENTIRE lives. They are non-essentials and we have to support them. WE don't like that. Nobody should get anything for free..that is the way we were raised. Obama is all about coddling people and giving certain people everything and tax the hell out of the rest of us. I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I make a little more than half of my paycheck because I've got to support the indigents of this country. THAT is why we are up in arms.
Give me a ****ing break. For a people who overwhelmingly think of themselves as tough, reliant, and thinks the rest of the nation views themselves as "victims", conservatives whine more than a puppy with it's peter caught in a door. That's all they do is whine, complaon, cry, and are constantly the victims of some huge conspiracy. I have a lot of conservative and liberal friends, and guess what...they all have jobs. This fricking myth that the liberals just want a bunch of handouts is a load of bull. Truth is, if I see a difference between my liberal friends and conservative ones, it's that libs are willing to do a job that they want to do and for less pay than others because it's more of their passion, sort of like teaching. Conservatives can't imagine hard work somehow not ending up in a new shiny truck!
And if the libs were so damn lazy, then how, according to the consevatives, did the libs take over the media, banks, universities, education system, Hollywood, the Music Industry and much more. WHat is the slogan of the conservative, "Hey vote for us, hard working morons who constantly get tricked by smart lazy people!"
Oh and as far as people who think they are entitled to stuff, how about no conservative seems the least bit concerned that the top 1% of this nation pays more lobbying than they do in taxes. If that doesn't make you puke in your mouth, I don't know what would. But then again I don't expect a lof from people who say they hate draft dodgers, communism, and that Obama isn't a real christian.....and then nominates Romeny, a draft dodging (four deferments) Mormon ( not christian) who outsourced thousands of american jobs to the commies. WTF!0 -
Wow. I can't fathom calling another human being a "non-essential".
It's all part of the alternate reality that these people have constructed to allow them to deal with a world they don't understand.
We live in a complex, changing world, faced with complex problems. There are no quick answers. Some people just don't have the ol' "gumption" to hang in there, stick it out, and work constructively to make things better.
It's easier to just sit back and blame some vague, faceless, mob of people for "stealing" your stuff.
If I'm working this hard to make life better for the non-essentials, than I don't care to "stick it out". Why do you think there are so many expats now? WE DONT CARE ANYMORE! We are just trying to keep what little money we do have from being taxed (stolen) from the government and given to worthless pos's who were better off never having been born. When those of us who ARE holding the country up leave, renounce our citizenship (no more taxes from us workin' people), what are the do-nothing/non-essential's going to do then??
BTW: This does not include retired people (people who actually worked their entire lives), people on disability (not malingerers). I am referring to the working aged people who feel entitled to government funds. I don't care what happens to them or their families. It is ridiculous that we have to pay for them to live. They get free phones, free health care, free housing, free food, and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of working this much and getting so little. The more I work, the more I'm taxed. We are punished for being hard working PRODUCTIVE people.0 -
Compassion exists for people who try to help themselves, but are unable to. People who have fallen on hard times, and just need a little help. It does NOT exist for the POS/indigent/non-essentials.0
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Wow. I can't fathom calling another human being a "non-essential".
It's all part of the alternate reality that these people have constructed to allow them to deal with a world they don't understand.
We live in a complex, changing world, faced with complex problems. There are no quick answers. Some people just don't have the ol' "gumption" to hang in there, stick it out, and work constructively to make things better.
It's easier to just sit back and blame some vague, faceless, mob of people for "stealing" your stuff.
If I'm working this hard to make life better for the non-essentials, than I don't care to "stick it out". Why do you think there are so many expats now? WE DONT CARE ANYMORE! We are just trying to keep what little money we do have from being taxed (stolen) from the government and given to worthless pos's who were better off never having been born. When those of us who ARE holding the country up leave, renounce our citizenship (no more taxes from us workin' people), what are the do-nothing/non-essential's going to do then??
BTW: This does not include retired people (people who actually worked their entire lives), people on disability (not malingerers). I am referring to the working aged people who feel entitled to government funds. I don't care what happens to them or their families. It is ridiculous that we have to pay for them to live. They get free phones, free health care, free housing, free food, and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of working this much and getting so little. The more I work, the more I'm taxed. We are punished for being hard working PRODUCTIVE people.
Personally, I'd trade my entire neighborhood of smug yuppies and deadbeat white trash for some hard-working immigrants driving the economy by trying to make better lives for themselves.
The block parties would have a lot better food as well.0 -
"They are non essentials" does this include the disabled, the frail elderly, the handicapped or should such ' non essentials' simply be eliminated. Does compassion, understanding and simple human decency have any place in the society you espouse. I am not arguing that people who are physicaly fit and able to work be able to opt out of employment. The fact is that many people need government help and investment to find work. I can understand the frustration felt by people who are working hard for little reward and perceive others living off the state. How do young people find employment when many of the jobs they would have taken have been outsourced overseas simply in the pursuit of profit? I agree that companies need to make a profit so that they can grow and invest. They also have a moral responsibilkity to their employees and to the greater society in which they function and on which they depend for their consumers.Seen from the outside the US seems a deeply divided nation. For a nation which claims to be the defender of democracy, there seems to be a marked reluctance , on the part of Mr Rommney's supporters, to accept the result of a democratic process. The election is over and it is the responsibility of every citizen to accept the result and support the elected President. The alternative is stagnation and further division. That's what should happen in a mature democracy. Outside observers simply shake their heads more in sorrow than in anger.
You don't understand. We are living in a socitety of people who believe they are entitled to government assistance. They don't work, they don't contribute to society...they just mooch off the government the ENTIRE lives. They are non-essentials and we have to support them. WE don't like that. Nobody should get anything for free..that is the way we were raised. Obama is all about coddling people and giving certain people everything and tax the hell out of the rest of us. I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I make a little more than half of my paycheck because I've got to support the indigents of this country. THAT is why we are up in arms.
Give me a ****ing break. For a people who overwhelmingly think of themselves as tough, reliant, and thinks the rest of the nation views themselves as "victims", conservatives whine more than a puppy with it's peter caught in a door. That's all they do is whine, complaon, cry, and are constantly the victims of some huge conspiracy. I have a lot of conservative and liberal friends, and guess what...they all have jobs. This fricking myth that the liberals just want a bunch of handouts is a load of bull. Truth is, if I see a difference between my liberal friends and conservative ones, it's that libs are willing to do a job that they want to do and for less pay than others because it's more of their passion, sort of like teaching. Conservatives can't imagine hard work somehow not ending up in a new shiny truck!
And if the libs were so damn lazy, then how, according to the consevatives, did the libs take over the media, banks, universities, education system, Hollywood, the Music Industry and much more. WHat is the slogan of the conservative, "Hey vote for us, hard working morons who constantly get tricked by smart lazy people!"
Oh and as far as people who think they are entitled to stuff, how about no conservative seems the least bit concerned that the top 1% of this nation pays more lobbying than they do in taxes. If that doesn't make you puke in your mouth, I don't know what would. But then again I don't expect a lof from people who say they hate draft dodgers, communism, and that Obama isn't a real christian.....and then nominates Romeny, a draft dodging (four deferments) Mormon ( not christian) who outsourced thousands of american jobs to the commies. WTF!
Man, every time I think I can write a good polemic, you kick my *kitten*.0 -
"They are non essentials" does this include the disabled, the frail elderly, the handicapped or should such ' non essentials' simply be eliminated. Does compassion, understanding and simple human decency have any place in the society you espouse. I am not arguing that people who are physicaly fit and able to work be able to opt out of employment. The fact is that many people need government help and investment to find work. I can understand the frustration felt by people who are working hard for little reward and perceive others living off the state. How do young people find employment when many of the jobs they would have taken have been outsourced overseas simply in the pursuit of profit? I agree that companies need to make a profit so that they can grow and invest. They also have a moral responsibilkity to their employees and to the greater society in which they function and on which they depend for their consumers.Seen from the outside the US seems a deeply divided nation. For a nation which claims to be the defender of democracy, there seems to be a marked reluctance , on the part of Mr Rommney's supporters, to accept the result of a democratic process. The election is over and it is the responsibility of every citizen to accept the result and support the elected President. The alternative is stagnation and further division. That's what should happen in a mature democracy. Outside observers simply shake their heads more in sorrow than in anger.
You don't understand. We are living in a socitety of people who believe they are entitled to government assistance. They don't work, they don't contribute to society...they just mooch off the government the ENTIRE lives. They are non-essentials and we have to support them. WE don't like that. Nobody should get anything for free..that is the way we were raised. Obama is all about coddling people and giving certain people everything and tax the hell out of the rest of us. I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I make a little more than half of my paycheck because I've got to support the indigents of this country. THAT is why we are up in arms.
Give me a ****ing break. For a people who overwhelmingly think of themselves as tough, reliant, and thinks the rest of the nation views themselves as "victims", conservatives whine more than a puppy with it's peter caught in a door. That's all they do is whine, complaon, cry, and are constantly the victims of some huge conspiracy. I have a lot of conservative and liberal friends, and guess what...they all have jobs. This fricking myth that the liberals just want a bunch of handouts is a load of bull. Truth is, if I see a difference between my liberal friends and conservative ones, it's that libs are willing to do a job that they want to do and for less pay than others because it's more of their passion, sort of like teaching. Conservatives can't imagine hard work somehow not ending up in a new shiny truck!
And if the libs were so damn lazy, then how, according to the consevatives, did the libs take over the media, banks, universities, education system, Hollywood, the Music Industry and much more. WHat is the slogan of the conservative, "Hey vote for us, hard working morons who constantly get tricked by smart lazy people!"
Oh and as far as people who think they are entitled to stuff, how about no conservative seems the least bit concerned that the top 1% of this nation pays more lobbying than they do in taxes. If that doesn't make you puke in your mouth, I don't know what would. But then again I don't expect a lof from people who say they hate draft dodgers, communism, and that Obama isn't a real christian.....and then nominates Romeny, a draft dodging (four deferments) Mormon ( not christian) who outsourced thousands of american jobs to the commies. WTF!
Man, every time I think I can write a good polemic, you kick my *kitten*.
I had to look up the word polemic. Thanks.0 -
This 'discussion 'has been interesting and to some extent educational. As someone from outside the US looking in it is genuinely difficult to understand why there is so much apparent agression on the part of the contributors. I have never visited the US although I have met a number of Americans who on the whole seemed quite decent friendly and civilised people. Imagine then my suprise when I look at discussion groups like this and find the exact opposite. I am mature enough to realise that people sometimes say things for effect. The recent coverage of the Presidential Elections have raised the profile of the US particularly in the UK. I for one have been staggered at the degree of hostility which people on opposite sides of the political spectrum show towards each other. Passion for ones point of view is one thing but personal abuse is something outside the pale in the rest of the world. If my American friends would just pause and reflect how the rest of the world perceive them it might be to all our benefit. May I gently suggest that you look at the following website Channel4.com/Unreprtedworld and watch what for me was a very enlightening programme about Talkradio. For me it was an objective view of how outsiders really see the US. We who live in the west genuinely appreciate the massive contribution that the US has made to our modern democratic society. The massive military cemetries behind Omaha beach in Normandy bear witness to the price paid for the freedom which we all enjoy. It surely behoves us to seek to live in harmony with our fellow man whatever his/her views. I'm genuinely seeking to understand the reasons why citizens of such a great nation should be so deeply divided. If the US contributors in this group would care to give me a considered explanation I would greatly appreciate it. If you care to look at the programme I referred to above and give me your considered response I would appreciate that as well. Mature responses only please.0
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Maths is a word. It's the plural of math. It's primarily British, but still commonly used throughout the English-speaking world. Presumably, the Obama team used many mathematical models to determine budgets, therefore the use of maths is grammatically correct.
I get the anger and denial part. I felt that both times W was elected.
Right now though, it would be fantastic to get folks working together to avoid the fiscal cliff. Quit with the obstructionism and filibustering and get down to bipartisan action. Until the Republicans can stop acting like babies who have a sole goal of defeating Obama, rather than repairing the nation, we are going to stagnate.
That's A load of Horse**** Harry Reid has been stonewalling a passing budget for 4 years! Plus... You have this
"The House passed a jobs bill targeted towards helping startup businesses by a large bipartisan vote of 390-23 while the Senate blocked approval of the Keystone XL pipeline once again despite a 56-42 majority vote, which included 11 Democrats.
Despite accusations of being “extremist,” “obstructionist,” and a “do nothing Congress,” it’s clearly evident that the Republican House is passing more bipartisan legislation than the Democratic Senate, or even the White House." http://www.policymic.com/articles/5234/republican-house-passing-more-bipartisan-legislation-than-democratic-senate
Stop with your Partisan Accusations!0 -
"It's all part of the alternate reality that these people have constructed to allow them to deal ....with killing unborn babies."Wow. I can't fathom calling another human being a "non-essential".
It's all part of the alternate reality that these people have constructed to allow them to deal with a world they don't understand.
We live in a complex, changing world, faced with complex problems. There are no quick answers. Some people just don't have the ol' "gumption" to hang in there, stick it out, and work constructively to make things better.
It's easier to just sit back and blame some vague, faceless, mob of people for "stealing" your stuff.
"its my body" - What about the baby? What about the Father? Your choice was his Daughter/son
"You dont have a uterus you dont have a say" So having a uterus gives you the right to terminate a life? That's some powerful koolaid you are drinking.
"Its not a human being" Oh? is it a monkey? Or maybe a spider? no one likes spiders Kill it!
"Its not a viable life form" Oh really? So no need to send an ambulance to save your child who was hit by a car then. Thank god what a drain on society. what a waste of tissue.
The rest of society doesn't have a say because its your body? Neither is the one you are "disposing of" when do they get a say?
The alternate reality you create to make yourself feel ok about it. Obviously delusional0 -
"It's all part of the alternate reality that these people have constructed to allow them to deal ....with killing unborn babies."Wow. I can't fathom calling another human being a "non-essential".
It's all part of the alternate reality that these people have constructed to allow them to deal with a world they don't understand.
We live in a complex, changing world, faced with complex problems. There are no quick answers. Some people just don't have the ol' "gumption" to hang in there, stick it out, and work constructively to make things better.
It's easier to just sit back and blame some vague, faceless, mob of people for "stealing" your stuff.
"its my body" - What about the baby? What about the Father? Your choice was his Daughter/son
"You dont have a uterus you dont have a say" So having a uterus gives you the right to terminate a life? That's some powerful koolaid you are drinking.
"Its not a human being" Oh? is it a monkey? Or maybe a spider? no one likes spiders Kill it!
"Its not a viable life form" Oh really? So no need to send an ambulance to save your child who was hit by a car then. Thank god what a drain on society. what a waste of tissue.
The rest of society doesn't have a say because its your body? Neither is the one you are "disposing of" when do they get a say?
The alternate reality you create to make yourself feel ok about it. Obviously delusional
There in lies the reaso we hate the american taliban (christian right) because "massive delta" like all christians, turns the topic to their fake god, and starts bringing up topics that were never started on this thread in the first place.0 -
" all Christians " and "fake God" are pretty wide generalisations. Please pause ,and in a reasoned way explain the evidence upon which you make such strange comments. Why do you find it so difficult to at least respect the opinions of people who have a different viewpoint from your own? You may not agree with their opinion. You may be vigorously opposed to their opinion, but you should recognise that it is their honestly held opinion and as such should at the very least be respected. This, as I understand it is the basis for a civilised society and is what differentiates such a society from the law of the jungle where anything goes and dog eats dog. I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm simply trying to understand how and why you appear to have become so embittered.0
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Read massive deltas post..another white male Christian right winged republican who always feel the need to bring up the abortion issues.don't have any idea where he pulled that from. Christina fundamentalists like him are no better than the Taliban in the middle east0
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Read massive deltas post..another white male Christian right winged republican who always feel the need to bring up the abortion issues.don't have any idea where he pulled that from. Christina fundamentalists like him are no better than the Taliban in the middle east
If abortion bothers a person, just pretend the are Egyptian first born and it's god's will! That makes it ok. Just like all the dead children thanks to our current war. I for one would hope that if an unborn fetus being aborted is considered murder by pro-lifers, that they would show the same concern for brown kids killed by stray smart bombs.0 -
@ Adrien...completely agree with you!!!0
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