The Rings Of Akhaten... discuss!
rbartlett9671
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What did y'all think? It wasn't bad... I have to admit, my attention picked up when the Doctor gave another of his "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" speeches, like in The Pandorica Opens...
...kinda reminded me of Roy Batty's "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..." speech at the end of Blade Runner...
...kinda reminded me of Roy Batty's "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..." speech at the end of Blade Runner...
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It was okay. I liked the speech. I liked the history of Clara and the leaf. I wasn't moved, or scared, or ... well , or anything.
I don't have a strong opinion of it either way. I do hope they get better and it doesn't become a show I have to watch.0 -
I REALLY enjoyed it. I thought it was a really creative idea, and I adored his speech. I still have mixed feelings on this season's "Every episode is EPIC. EPIC, I say! It must be EPIC!" attitude. Every episode can't be HUGE like they've been trying to make it. Also, the Doctor dropped Clara back at home at the end. Is this going to be his new method of having companions? Only part timers allowed?0
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I'm not overly impressed with season 7 as a whole, to be honest.... Asylum of the Daleks and The Angels Take Manhattan were fine and The Power Of Three was better the second time around... but A Town Called Mercy was pretty weak.
I need to rewatch these two new Clara eps to get a proper feel for it... but I'm always up for a decent doctor speech LOL
RE dropping Clara off and part-time companions... he kinda did that with the Ponds in season 6 and the first half of 7...0 -
I have to say I really enjoyed it as well. His speech at the end was not nearly as good as some of the other speeches (Pandorica, many of the Tennant ones) but all in all I did enjoy the episode. I enjoyed Clara's backstory also and can't wait to see how all this pans out!0
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Why was it different when she went home, that's what I wanna know...
I thought the part about her mum and dad was sickeningly wonderful, but it's just... why does he think she's so impossible?0 -
why does he think she's so impossible?
His speech to Mary Gallel was in direct constrast with Clara. Mary (and everyone else) is utterly unique in the universe. Clara repeats.0 -
His speech at the end was not nearly as good as some of the other speeches (Pandorica, many of the Tennant ones)
It was my favorite Doctor speech by far! He revealed so much of his soul. He's never really done that before. It cost him.0 -
It was building up to be an epic episode until it hit the point where the doctor was holding up the really heavy door. Then he started using his screwdriver like a weapon to fend off the attack and the episode really felt like it went off the rails. It probably got better again after that but frankly it had lost me. My suspension of disbelief was shot and the best I could think after it was over was, "that was different."
Meh. Hopefully it picks up again.0 -
LOL AngryDiet - that's fair...
I love the avatar - and welcome to the group!!0 -
It was Clara BIG intro episode kinda like The Beast Below was for Amy. It was a little forced feeling at times. I loved Matt Smith's delivery in his big speech.0
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That's a good point, dixie - I hadn't thought of it that way. It's especially odd given that Clara was a different person when she first appeared in the Xmas Special!0
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The Doctors Speech
http://youtu.be/yIj21QuJoAgCome on then... Take mine. Take my memories. But I hope you've got a big appetite, because I've lived a long life and I've seen a few things. I walked away from the last great time war, I marked the passing of the time lords, I saw the birth of the universe and I watched as time ran out... Moment by moment until nothing remained, no time no space, just me. I walked in universes where the laws of physics were devised by the mind of a mad man. And I watched universes freeze and creations burn, I have seen thing you wouldn't believe, I have lost things you will never understand and I know things; secrets that must never be told, knowledge that must never be spoken, knowledge that will make parasite gods blaze! So come on then! Take it! Take it all baby! Have it! You have it all!0 -
Two things... I didn't notice his exact wording when I watched the ep because I had the sound down low...
1) He said "the last great time war" - how many time wars have there been?
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2) "I've seen things you wouldn't believe" - I noticed this when I saw it.... but do you think that's a nod to Blade Runner? To be fair, it's a fairly generic statement for a show like this, but all the same...0 -
"I walked in universes where the laws of physics were devised by the mind of a mad man."
An obvious reference to Omega, who has been theorized to be the big bad at the end of Season 5.
Probably not, but worth a mention.0 -
I'm not really up on my Who lore... I haven't seen many of the classic Who... but isn't Omega the timelord who created (or discovered) time travel?0
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I'm not really up on my Who lore... I haven't seen many of the classic Who... but isn't Omega the timelord who created (or discovered) time travel?
Yes, there's the whole thing where he brings the ability to travel in time to the Time Lords, but is trapped in the universe of anti-matter in doing so. He's abandoned there by the timelords and consequently goes insane. He's tried a couple of times to get back to the normal universe, but it involves lots of death and destruction so our hero stops him both times. He is quite happy to destroy the universe if he cannot escape his prison, since nobody should exist if he can't do so properly.
So the idea being thrown around is that the silence, being specifically the Doctor's silence in speaking a great truth which can undo the universe, is something which Omega has targeted. Perhaps it's his revenge. Perhaps it's his freedom. And it is foretold that the Doctor will speak this truth during the "fall of the eleventh", which presumably will be Matt Smith's last episode.
All conjecture of course.
EDIT: and the tie in to the quoted part of the speech is that the Doctor (in two incarnations) is brought to this universe of antimatter, and they discover that his existence and surroundings all exist through Omega's force of will alone.0 -
Just finished watching it.
I found part of the Doctor's story to Merry humourous... when he was talking about all the atoms from long ago start that formed and exploded and formed again making "shoes and ships and ceiling wax and cabbages and kings." Nice nod to The Walrus and The Carpenter from Alice In Wonderland. :laugh:
I liked the speech about the leaf. It made me tear up a bit. "Because there's quite a difference between what was and what should have been. There's an awful lot of one but there's an infinity of the other. An infinity is too much, even for your appetite."
The Doctor's speech combined with that bit about the leaf reminded me a little of a part of Man of La Mancha. When Miguel de Cervantes was asked about life and madness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhE7xY6r9pM
"I have lived nearly fifty years, and I have seen life as it is. Pain, misery, hunger ... cruelty beyond belief. I have heard the singing from taverns and the moans from bundles of filth on the streets. I have been a soldier and seen my comrades fall in battle ... or die more slowly under the lash in Africa. I have held them in my arms at the final moment. These were men who saw life as it is, yet they died despairing. No glory, no gallant last words ... only their eyes filled with confusion, whimpering the question, "Why?" I do not think they asked why they were dying, but why they had lived. When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? Perhaps to be too practical is madness. To surrender dreams — this may be madness. To seek treasure where there is only trash. Too much sanity may be madness — and maddest of all: to see life as it is, and not as it should be!"0 -
I rewatched the first two eps of the second half of season 7 tonight and this one was definitely one for the powerful, emotive moments LOL
I then kept nodding off during the third episode, Cold War LOL But even though I kept nodding off, I didn't feel as though I missed much, which is quite disappointing...0 -
Yeah I don't know what it is about this year or the second part of series 7 (33 in old terms), maybe as there has been so much hype with it being the 50th Anniversary that everything is seeming vaguely disappointing. And the episodes seem to be getting shorter as well, so they are always rushing toward the conclusion. There are bits in each episode I've really liked and I know this is a funny thing to say, but everyone really seems to be acting, it doesn't have much of a natural feel to it at the moment. Maybe Smith is getting tired of it, I'm not sure. I did like his speech in this episode though, very reminiscent of so many other major Tom Baker speeches. The whole season, including the new intro has a very retro, classic feel, especially bringing in the Ice Warriors... I always get the feeling with Steven Moffat that he has so many ideas running around in his head that he has trouble putting them cohesively onto a screenplay.
Oh well, even at it's worse it's still better than most of the drivel on the telly!
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LOL I won't disagreee there!! Doctor Who is the *only* show I watch, actually. If it didn't take so long to get onto Netflix, I wouldn't even bother to watch it on TV...0
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I'm not really up on my Who lore... I haven't seen many of the classic Who... but isn't Omega the timelord who created (or discovered) time travel?
Yes, there's the whole thing where he brings the ability to travel in time to the Time Lords, but is trapped in the universe of anti-matter in doing so. He's abandoned there by the timelords and consequently goes insane. He's tried a couple of times to get back to the normal universe, but it involves lots of death and destruction so our hero stops him both times. He is quite happy to destroy the universe if he cannot escape his prison, since nobody should exist if he can't do so properly.
So the idea being thrown around is that the silence, being specifically the Doctor's silence in speaking a great truth which can undo the universe, is something which Omega has targeted. Perhaps it's his revenge. Perhaps it's his freedom. And it is foretold that the Doctor will speak this truth during the "fall of the eleventh", which presumably will be Matt Smith's last episode.
All conjecture of course.
EDIT: and the tie in to the quoted part of the speech is that the Doctor (in two incarnations) is brought to this universe of antimatter, and they discover that his existence and surroundings all exist through Omega's force of will alone.
This makes a lot of sense! I've actually seen one of the episodes with Omega now that I think about it. That's a really good theory.0 -
Sorry Angrydiet, I missed your reply...
...that's a very cool idea, actually... I like it... I've wondered about the "fall of the 11th" since I first heard it... I knew it tied to the current Doctor but I'm curious to see how this will work out
So if I'm reading this correctly - "his existence and surroundings all exist through Omega's force of will alone" - does that basically mean that the universe only exists as a creation by Omega? Is Omega therefore God?0 -
The idea is that when he was trapped there, he brought a "matter" like substance to that universe through the force of his own will. He did it to survive, basically, and over time his body died and turned to dust without his actually realizing it.
To be clear, the thing which should not be said is likely related to the creation of the Time Lords abilities and Omega directly. The McCoy Doctor's story arc seemed to be progressing towards us learning that the Doctor was present when Omega gave time travel to the Time Lords.
And of course, the creation of the Time Lords is the creation of the show, and something that would tie in very nicely to the 50'th anniversary.
It's all likely completely wrong.0 -
It's all likely completely wrong... according to Moffat, anyway
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I really don't think the Question, the Silence, the Fields of Trenzalor, of the Fall of the Eleventh will be in the 50th anniversary at all. I think that will be where 11 regenerates into 12, and we know he will at least have the Christmas special after the 50th and probably another season after that.
I really like this Omega theory though. I'm equally excited to find out what the deal is with all of it and sad to think about 11 leaving.0 -
Yes, I'd definitely like to see Omega involved with the Silence... do you think they're linking the Great Intelligence to Omega too?0
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I haven't put much thought into the Great Intelligence. Do you suppose that is the disembodied voice that blows up the Tardis in S5?
As to where Moffat is going, it's likely impossible to guess. He'll probably pull something out that nobody could possibly predict.0 -
Truthfully, I never noticed the voice before... I'm gonna have to go back and check it again now!!
As for Moffat... yeah, he can be a sly bugger LOL0
