He was engaged to a girl for a short time and he said the things that bothered him about her was she didn't wear makeup and shopped at Target for her clothes.

Really? Sounds like a nice guy. :grumble:

Yeah, my brother's a douche sometimes, but I love him and he does respect women. He's just very judgmental. No one's perfect.

Personally, I wouldn't buy clothes at Target. Clothes is one area I'm willing to splurge because I believe they should be good quality...

Also, I never accused you of being a slob. From your picture, I can see you look nice. I guess what I was trying to say was in my OPINION I believe women look better with makeup. That DOESN'T meaning having to "cake it" on.

I guess at the end of the day it matters what YOU think about your appearance... maybe that's why you've been getting more compliments from men. You feel more confident looking more natural. Good for you.

Well, being an opera singer is not a strike. Quite the contrary. When I first moved to Prague (a long time ago), I had a small apartment about a 5 minute walk from the Statni Opera. I was there every month, usually by myself. I love the opera and actually - I swear I'm not joking - dated a Czech opera singer for a while. I later learned she was married. And, apparently, her husband knew about our relationship... I prefer my drama on the stage, so that ended that...

--P

On this side topic - operas and orchestras are all about the drama. I went to one of the top music schools here in the states and played in the opera orchestra for a couple of seasons as well as going to classes with all my fellow musicians. You couldn't write a soap that tops the kind of stuff that went on there!

On makeup - From a girl's persecutive I get a lot more interest when I'm wearing some, but don't have it caked on. I really think that most men's version of no makeup and a girl's version of no make up are two different things.

I am curious now because to me no make up has a pretty simple definition...what it says,none.
Do ladies take "no" to mean "little" or "not overly obvious"?

I also find I am not what most regard as a normal guy so maybe I have that all wrong too.

Not trying to be too cynical but from some of my observations, some guys will think you're not wearing makeup just because it's not obvious. There's truth to the joke about taking x amount of time trying to look like you're not wearing any.

My "no makeup" look is a tinted moisturizer, powder, mascara and gloss. It's low maintenance but put on with purpose. I'll go without, no qualms about it but I do look better with a little help

All this talk of makeup is making me need some retail therapy. So hitting up Sephora later.

On makeup - From a girl's persecutive I get a lot more interest when I'm wearing some, but don't have it caked on. I really think that most men's version of no makeup and a girl's version of no make up are two different things.

Yes, very good point...

I'd get home and he'd get pissed if I wasn't wearing make-up. He say stuff like -- I'd put it on when I go to work to look good for my co-workers but when I came home at night I look worn out and why didn't I just take the time to put it back on before I came home? Why did he always get me ugly and the rest of the world got me cute? I got to the point where I didn't want the fight so I'd stop at a restroom somewhere before I got home and to reapply. I hate makeup... rarely wear it, but I'd have to put it on for my ex.

It saddens me that you were with a tosser like that!! You couldnt look ugly if you dragged yourself through a bush backwards during a tornado!! :flowerforyou:

And i do beleive that most men find women at their most attractive when their hair is a curly blob/mess,their make up is wiped off, face glowing, all smiles, from the throws of passion!!

So yeah, at their most natural :flowerforyou:

Three seconds before we fall asleep you mean then.












J/K:laugh:

you wouldnt want to sleep for one second with me around Carl! :smokin:

Touche and rawrrr

Carl, a lot of men will think a woman has no makeup on when she actually does. My definition of no makeup is just that -- no makeup. However, a man could think I'm not wearing makeup when I'm just wearing a light foundation or something.

This ^

When I wear no make up, I get no comments, looks, or even glances. I also sometimes get told that other things (my hair being done a certain way, a color of eye shadow, etc) would look nice on me - almost like a cough/hint.

When I wear light/natural looking make up and fix up my hair a bit I will get attention, looks, and some compliments. And when I wear a bit more make up and do my hair, I still get more compliments than without.

I stopped relaxing my hair and use more natural products. A lot of men of my race don't like it but I figure if they are going to try and put the white standard of beauty on me, I don't want anything to do with them.

I'd get home and he'd get pissed if I wasn't wearing make-up. He say stuff like -- I'd put it on when I go to work to look good for my co-workers but when I came home at night I look worn out and why didn't I just take the time to put it back on before I came home? Why did he always get me ugly and the rest of the world got me cute? I got to the point where I didn't want the fight so I'd stop at a restroom somewhere before I got home and to reapply. I hate makeup... rarely wear it, but I'd have to put it on for my ex.

Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this, you deserve much more than someone who judges so easily on trivial things... especially since you are so beautiful!

I wonder how people would feel if Daisy wasn't so good looking?

I know I'll get jumped for this, but when my marriage was falling apart one of the first books I read looking for advice pointed out that for MOST of us, our "best selves" goes to the people at work. We dress nice, put on nice makeup, and are pleasant all day long. When we come home, we are tired from putting up that front with people we can't stand so we're snippy and selfish (especially if we have to come home to a "2nd full time job" while our spouse sits around so throw in resentment too).

We can't wait to get home, change into our comfy clothes, take off the digging bra, wash off the warpaint, take out the contacts.

So our spouse, who used to always see us dressed to the nines trying to impress him/her now sees the very worst side of us all night long. And chances are, even if s/he is complaining about our appearance s/he is often doing the same thing.

I can't remember what book that was, but I suspect that many marriages would be happier if people would take time out to decompress and get dressed nice/keep our makeup on for our spouses.

I am not saying Daisy's ex was right to be mean to her about this... but I *am* saying I think his point is valid.

To be honest, there's nothing sexier than a girl who is beautiful without makeup. Afterall, that's ultimately what you're going to waking up to the rest of your life right??

So yeah, there is definite brownie points to the girls who use very little makeup to make themselves appear attractive.

I just want to make a bit of a clarification. I'm only speaking of makeup, not clothes. I dress very carefully to flatter my figure, and always look nice. A lot of people seem to lump not wearing a lot of makeup together with dressing down or poorly. As a matter of fact, I really only own one pair of jeans because I prefer to wear skirts/dresses/nice pants.

When I was in Europe I noticed a lot of women didn't spend a lot of time or energy with hair and makeup, but they looked absolutely fabulous! This is more what I'm trying to say -- it's possible to look amazing without a lot of cosmetics.

I agree. I rarely wear makeup unless I'm going somewhere special, but I do dress well (most of the time -- I have my lazy days). And thankfully, my hair mostly does itself! I was, condition, mousse, pick and let air dry and almost every single day, a complete stranger compliments me on it. And men have always loved my hair. :-)