how long does it take?
chrissyrn04
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Im listening to the everyday paleo podcast on fat loss. They were discussing that once your body is attune to paleo that you really should only be eating 2-3 times a day (larger portions of course) and not grazing. They also discussed that when you first start you feel hungry more frequently while your body is getting used to it but it should get better.
Im day 6 of the whole30. Im still hungry in between meals despite making sure that my meals are around 500 calories and have good fat content. When does that hunger feeling go away?
Im day 6 of the whole30. Im still hungry in between meals despite making sure that my meals are around 500 calories and have good fat content. When does that hunger feeling go away?
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First, don't fear hunger. Your body won't go into the so called starvation mode unless you starve yourself for weeks. Our bodies aren't that dumb to not recognize a temporary break between meals :-)
How long it will take is an individual thing; some people have snacked their whole life AND it's not just an issue of hunger, but habit. Breaktime at work = tea and ? Give yourself some more time and note how you're feeling. One day you'll go to bed and realize you weren't ready to gnaw your arm off when you got home from work, and the hunger dragon is contained.0 -
I think with the calorie counting a lot of people never really allow themselves to reach satiation. One therapeutic thing I did at some point was to learn to eat to satiation. I was literally advised to get a huge tub of ground beef, brown it up (no spices or salt), a few cartons of eggs, and boil a couple of pounds of potatoes. Then every time I was hungry, I had to eat until I was full of whichever one I wanted: ground beef, potatoes or eggs (or a combo of thereof). UNSEASONED. Till I was full. Not counting calories.
That was the regimen that broke the back of my CW inherited hungers. Basically, you will be sitting there with a bunch left on your plate and experience the knowledge that you are full and will be able to put the rest of the food back into the fridge.
Now W30 arbitrary forbids white potato, so you can either try sweet ones, or do not obey arbitrary restrictions if you want to try this method.
Just because you think you *should* be full on 500 calories that is not true. Sometimes you need a pound of ground beef to feel full. And then you won't bother to eat for 7 or 10 hours. Sometimes a few bites are enough. It is the hardest thing to eat when you are hungry and it is even harder to stop when you are full. But without mastering it all the rest is not going to work.
I would caution against intermittent fasting or reducing the number of meal until you actually get that full signal.0 -
I think it takes a whole lot longer than 6 days for your body to adjust. At day 6 of eating Primal, I was in the thick of my carb flu. Lethargic, *****y... all I wanted to do was sleep.
Part of Whole30 is also to NOT count calories and weigh yourself. So, serve yourself what you think is an appropriate serving size, eat until you are full. If you're not full, eat more meat and/or veggies. If you don't want more of those, you're probably not really hungry (similar to what the poster above said). Maybe don't log your food here until the end of the day, so you're not counting calories from meal to meal. Be careful of snacking on fruit or too many nuts... probably you're eating those out of the snacking habit or to feed the sugar demon, and not because you're really hungry. If you want sugar, eat some olives (suggested by Mel Joulwain of Well Fed).
I found my hunger/eating patterns changed after maybe a full month in, or maybe even after that. Now I can go longer between meals, and when I snack it is almost always because of habit, not hunger. I don't purposefully intermittent fast, but I have found that if I miss breakfast, I don't miss it, and I'm fine until 12-1p, now that my body is used to eating this way.
Also... be absolutely sure you're not limiting fat. If you're hungry, eat more fat. When your healthy fat is on top of veggies or protein, it's hard to overeat it, and yet it will help you feel full, be full, and stay full.0 -
I'm a snacker....
I can't eat a lot of food first thing in the morning nor in the evening - especially on nights when I work out - I don't workout until 8pm and I simply can't eat a good sized meal and then workout...
I simply spread my food out over the day - with my biggest meal being lunch.
With Paleo/primal because you are focused on protiens, fats and good for you veggies the portion sizes may be a bit bigger.
I set my day with a light breakfast (usually 2 egg cups and some sausage) - a mid morning snack (usually nuts), lunch, a mid afternoon snack (usually some guac and veggies or small apple and almond butter), dinner, evening snack (usually some frozen berries or a piece of dark chocolate)0 -
thank you all for your comments - very helpful.
I was counting my calories not to make sure I didnt eat too much but because I was worried I wasnt eating enough. Im so used to making my meals lighter, smaller more frequent. So at first I didnt think I was giving myself enough food and thats why I was hungry in between so I was trying to make my meals bigger.
I definately need to work on knowing when Im full and when I just want to munch because thats what I am used to doing.
I havent weighed myself - it has been crazy hard. I threw away the battery to my scale
I agree with all of the reasons behind paleo. I feel so much better already and I know its just going to keep getting better. I just dont want to sabatage myself.
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Whomever said to do three larger meals is....wrong.
'Three squares' is a product of the Industrial Revolution - where meals had to be scheduled to maximize factory productivity. "Eat before you come to work; eat after you go home; oh, and we'll give you a food break at midday to keep your strength up."
Hunter/gatherers eat when they are hungry. Period. You might have to modify that to fit in with your work schedule, but smaller meals more often keep insulin, hormone and enzyme levels far more level that Three Squares do.0 -
Whomever said to do three larger meals is....wrong.
'Three squares' is a product of the Industrial Revolution - where meals had to be scheduled to maximize factory productivity. "Eat before you come to work; eat after you go home; oh, and we'll give you a food break at midday to keep your strength up."
Hunter/gatherers eat when they are hungry. Period. You might have to modify that to fit in with your work schedule, but smaller meals more often keep insulin, hormone and enzyme levels far more level that Three Squares do.
Sorry, I disagree. Constantly jacking up your insulin is not good. Constantly eating does not keep your insulin levels "even". That's mostly a CW myth. Your body needs a break. Your digestive system needs a break. I would say eat 4 meals tops. I eat 3, and some paleo men eat 1-2. I tried IFing and eating less, but it whacked out my hormones and made me binge eat. I will rarely eat an afternoon snack if I inadvertantly don't eat enough for lunch. I don't die though, if I can't eat at the same time every day. I eat when I'm hungry, and I get physically hungry for 3 meals a day.0 -
I eat when I'm hungry, and I get physically hungry for 3 meals a day.
Just want to point out that just because you get physically hungry for 3 meals a day, doesn't mean that everybody does. Different approaches work for different people, based on a number of variables including their work/life schedules, how much time they get to eat in one setting, what macros they're eating for, what their workouts are like, etc. Similar to how IF didn't help you, but it does seem to help a lot of other people.
I think the "how many meals a day" question ultimately boils down to what works best and is sustainable to you, which takes self-experimentation. I don't think there is any right or wrong answer and as long as the quality of the food you are eating is good, when/how often doesn't matter as much as we think it does.
To get to the original question of this thread, 6 days isn't long enough to truly know what will work for you one way or another, and the first 2-3 weeks of this way of eating is generally the toughest part of the learning curve as you discover just how much you need to eat in a day to keep yourself satisfied. Just keep at it, eat when you are hungry for now. If you find yourself snacking a lot in between meals, I would probably make note of that and take it as a sign that you need to tweak your meals to include more protein or fat. Eventually you will find a way that works well FOR YOU, and if it's different than someone else's ideal number of meals per day, so what?
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In fact I was pointing out that it is different for different people. I said that I eat 3 meals a day but others may be different, but if you are eating more than 4 meals a day there is probably something wrong with that and you probably need more fat and protein in your meals. If you eat until you are full/satisfied, you shouldn't need more than 4 a day. Unless you had stomach surgery, of course. I said that others find that 1 or 2 meals a day is good for them. And it has been shown that constantly grazing can be very bad and the digestive system needs long breaks from eating, which backs up what I said about 4 meals or less per day.
I looked at the OP's diary, which was not extensive, and it looks to me like there was not much protein in her meals so I would say add some more of that. Fat certainly helps keeps you from being hungry but it doesn't fill you up at all to make you satisfied after a meal. I eat a diet that is 60% fat but if I don't go for above 90g protein each day I feel very unsatisfied. Find a number that works for you of course.0 -
I wasn't trying to disagree with you, just trying to say it in a way that was perhaps more clear to the OP that it's about finding what works from you0
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Im listening to the everyday paleo podcast on fat loss. They were discussing that once your body is attune to paleo that you really should only be eating 2-3 times a day (larger portions of course) and not grazing. They also discussed that when you first start you feel hungry more frequently while your body is getting used to it but it should get better.
Im day 6 of the whole30. Im still hungry in between meals despite making sure that my meals are around 500 calories and have good fat content. When does that hunger feeling go away?
I agree that there is a natural progression that happens, according to the podcast that you're listening to. When I first started, I was hungry for smaller meals as that's how I was used to feeding my body. However, I soon found that I wasn't as hungry as I thought I should have been around 3 weeks or so, and so I started not eating breakfast. I drink coffee with a lot of coconut milk/cream so the fat keeps me going all morning until I'm physically hungry. Now, after noon, I'll eat a very large meal, typically around 1000 calories. This can be a salad with olives, a bunch of protein, olive oil, and avocado.
I still have an occasional snack but it's usually fruit or something light before dinner. It used to be cheese but not anymore.
The hungry feeling will change and I think like other posters have said, it'll be unique for your body. Don't be afraid to eat your calories in the form of fats. That should be the majority of your calories since fat calories are 9 calories per gram. By adding a couple tablespoons of fats, you'll increase satiety which is a big priority.0 -
Sorry, I disagree. Constantly jacking up your insulin is not good. Constantly eating does not keep your insulin levels "even". That's mostly a CW myth. Your body needs a break. Your digestive system needs a break.
It is the difference between small waves lapping at the edge of a lake, and the large waves crashing on the beach.
That being said, I eat one 'meal' a day - dinner - and sometimes two if the wife is home for brunch on a day off. The rest of the day, I eat small amounts whenever I feel like having something. If I was still working, this would probably be different, but even then I seldom had breakfast, and had two or three 'snack breaks' during the day where I'd grab a bite and walk around the courtyard (had a desk job).
Body chemistry doesn't really support the idea of 'three squares'; neither do hunter/gatherer societies, who eat small until they catch something big to share - and then feast. The important thing is to listen to your body and do what works best. If Three Squares works best for your body and lifestyle - go for it. If smaller meals more often help keep you from obsessing over the next meal - go for it. It's your mouth, your body, and your life.0