please help, i need advice and support after five months

bellabrite
bellabrite Posts: 89 Member
Well, now it's my turn to beg for help and support. I posted this on the EMWL forum too -- sorry for the duplication.

I am just really discouraged right now and not sure what to do next.
I don't know where in the journey I am.
But I know I feel huge and gross, and have very little self esteem right now.

After sticking to a 1200 cal diet for most of a year (partly the result of low self-esteem from divorce), I have basically been resetting since July. So it's been about five months, with a 3-week cut break about a month ago. My cals have stayed at about 2100.
When I cut for three weeks in Oct. I was at 1800--it wasn't long enough for me to notice anything.

Then I got my BMF, and after a month I see that my TDEE is 2300. I redid my numbers on heybales' spreadsheet, and that comes out to 2300 as does Scooby.

It seems that I am still slowly gaining weight at 2100. I don't weigh, but I have measured all along. And my clothes are tighter and tighter.
If it's been five months, am I done with reset? I am so tempted to go down to 1500 right now.

It is SO, SO, SO hard for me to believe I should eat more right now even though I'm guessing that is the advice I might get. I just don't even know if it's worth it. Will it be another three years before I can go back down two sizes?

I am lifting 3x a week. I think it makes me hungrier, but it's not doing anything for fat loss, perhaps because my body is still "resetting."

Your support or advice would be appreciated.sigh.

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  • Momwasix
    Momwasix Posts: 623 Member
    This is just a guess if your gaining at 2100 calories and your lifting 3 times a week then either your activity level isn't correct.That's my guess i would do a 15% cut from that 2100 and make sure your not netting under your bmr.
  • Momwasix
    Momwasix Posts: 623 Member
    what's your bmr age height weight
  • bellabrite
    bellabrite Posts: 89 Member
    Thanks,
    I am 5'7 and wt. is 155. Age is 38.
    Not sure what my BMI is.

    I did a BMF report for the last 28 days and got this:

    Daily average cals burned: 2413
    Daily average cals consumed: 2081
    Daily average cal deficit: 332
    Daily average physical activity: 2 hours, 50 mins. This is usually all in the "moderate" category, which BMF defines as 3-6 METs

    I tend to be hungry a LOT, especially if I eat around 1800.
  • holleysings
    holleysings Posts: 664 Member
    Thanks,
    I am 5'7 and wt. is 155. Age is 38.
    Not sure what my BMI is.

    I did a BMF report for the last 28 days and got this:

    Daily average cals burned: 2413
    Daily average cals consumed: 2081
    Daily average cal deficit: 332
    Daily average physical activity: 2 hours, 50 mins. This is usually all in the "moderate" category, which BMF defines as 3-6 METs

    I tend to be hungry a LOT, especially if I eat around 1800.

    I have been resetting since July (with a misguided cut in September that did nothing.) I didn't gain anything during my first reset, but I have since October. I think the rule is if you're still gaining, the reset is not over. Maybe you need to push your calories up to 2300, breath, and ignore the scale until it levels out. That's what I'm doing! Waiting. :flowerforyou:
  • Momwasix
    Momwasix Posts: 623 Member
    I ran your numbers through scooby and it says your bmr 1459.Your tdee for moderate activity is 2262 your calorie intake with a 15% cut is 1922.For light activity tdee 2006 calorie intake 1705 with a 15% cut. I would again just a guess 1922 and you wont have to eat exercise calories as long as your not under 1459.
  • Momwasix
    Momwasix Posts: 623 Member
    From what i learn true tdee doesn't cause consistent gain. If you lift expect to see a gain due to retain water. But if your gaining weight rapidly then that's not true tdee. Either way after reset you should know what your tdee by consistently monitor the food intake and measurements.
  • Greenrun99
    Greenrun99 Posts: 2,065 Member
    I would start the cut process as well and 1900 is a good number to start at. I also can't see your diary, but make sure you adjust your macro's so your eating enough protein as well as carbs/fat.. To make it easy try to eat your weight in protein, so 155 and adjust your macro's to meet that.. just a suggestion.
  • bellabrite
    bellabrite Posts: 89 Member
    Thanks you guys. I am leaning towards the cut at about 1900. Maybe I'll start at 2000 for a week.
    Hmmmm. . .
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    After sticking to a 1200 cal diet for most of a year (partly the result of low self-esteem from divorce), I have basically been resetting since July. So it's been about five months, with a 3-week cut break about a month ago. My cals have stayed at about 2100.
    When I cut for three weeks in Oct. I was at 1800--it wasn't long enough for me to notice anything.

    Then I got my BMF, and after a month I see that my TDEE is 2300. I redid my numbers on heybales' spreadsheet, and that comes out to 2300 as does Scooby.

    It seems that I am still slowly gaining weight at 2100. I don't weigh, but I have measured all along. And my clothes are tighter and tighter.
    If it's been five months, am I done with reset? I am so tempted to go down to 1500 right now.

    So the BMF bases calorie burn on a foundation of your BMR, age, weight, height - the Harris formula.

    In the spreadsheet, TDEE deficit tab, how much difference is there between most accurate Katch BMR and Harris BMR?
    You may be getting inflated burn values from the BMF if the foundation of the calculations is 200-300 off, which I've seen many times.

    About 45% BF will cause 200 easy.

    Do you know how much you have gained during the reset for like a 3 wk period of time? And was it about equal each week?
    And what was avg eating level during that same time, daily?
    We can calculate your exact TDEE from those 2 numbers if you were just flat out gaining because of eating above TDEE.
  • Momwasix
    Momwasix Posts: 623 Member
    I agree as well true tdee shouldn't cause a consistent gain. Well look at it this way as long as you werent consuming enough for fat gain you should of bulk. To put on muscle you have to eat above tdee and lift heavy.
  • CanGirl40
    CanGirl40 Posts: 379 Member
    Do you think you might be underestimating your caloric intake? (IOW, how truly accurate are your food numbers - do you count every bite?) And what kinds of foods are you eating? (What are your macros?) Are you getting enough protein?
  • bellabrite
    bellabrite Posts: 89 Member
    Hi, thanks for your comments.

    heybales -- my Katch BMR is 1487, and my Harris BMR is 1452, so a difference of 35 cals.
    My BF according to your spreadsheet is 25%. My calipers show it to be lower, but I might not be using them correctly.

    Over the past three weeks I am guessing I've gained about three pounds. About 2 inches in both my thighs and butt. With all my weightlifting, it's hard to tell in terms of lbs.

    I have been lifting again for one week, but before that I took a two-week break. Despite the break, I was burning a lot of calories each day from other activities (packing to move house, etc). More than I burn just lifting (this is all according to BMF).

    Prior to a week ago I was aware of some extra size (I had gained about one clothing size), but I REALLY started feeling it about one week ago. Now, I know it could be water weight but it just doesn't feel like it. I don't know if there is really any way to tell. However, I can feel some really solid muscle under my fat (or water, or whatever it is).

    So, maybe I am accidentally bulking rather than finding my TDEE. But I still need to find that TDEE in order to know what to cut to.

    I do record my calories well--I am really quite careful about it. Although I have tried very hard to get 30% protein, I have not been entirely successful because I am a vegetarian and do really badly with added protein sources. So my macros stay around 50% carbs/30% fat/20% protein.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Over the past three weeks I am guessing I've gained about three pounds. About 2 inches in both my thighs and butt. With all my weightlifting, it's hard to tell in terms of lbs.

    Ok, so good to know the BMF TDEE estimate is going to be mighty close than barring any thyroid issues.

    To this point though.

    1 lb a week, if only fat gain.

    Eating at imagined TDEE, and eating 500 more. Daily. For 3 weeks.

    So if you think it was fat gain because of increased size, do you really think the TDEE is 500 lower?

    I'll bet you gained LBM, if not a smidgen of muscle. And more LBM, even if no muscle, means increased metabolism to care for it.

    Have you had a flush effect? Do you drink?
    http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Water Retention
  • Momwasix
    Momwasix Posts: 623 Member
    yea if she gain lbm she can eat that the sound i like to hear
  • bellabrite
    bellabrite Posts: 89 Member
    ok, dumb question, but what is the difference between LBM and muscle? Is LBM just everything that isn't fat?

    In general, I do think my metabolism is better/faster than it was a year ago. I would just really like to find that sweet spot.

    So, heybales I'm not sure if I totally understand what you are suggesting I should eat at?

    Also, Lucia mentioned that maybe I could add in a couple 20-min HIIT sessions per week to promote fat loss.
    Actually, I was doing that in the summer/early fall, and then I stopped because I wanted to see what kind of a set point/TDEE I could get to without really doing any cardio. Also it's pretty rough on my ankle, which is still healing from being broken a year ago.

    I feel like I've never experienced that "whoosh" effect everybody talks about! And here I had cut out wine during the week -- maybe I'll start sneaking that in again! LOL

    Thanks again guys.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    ok, dumb question, but what is the difference between LBM and muscle? Is LBM just everything that isn't fat?

    In general, I do think my metabolism is better/faster than it was a year ago. I would just really like to find that sweet spot.

    So, heybales I'm not sure if I totally understand what you are suggesting I should eat at?

    Also, Lucia mentioned that maybe I could add in a couple 20-min HIIT sessions per week to promote fat loss.
    Actually, I was doing that in the summer/early fall, and then I stopped because I wanted to see what kind of a set point/TDEE I could get to without really doing any cardio. Also it's pretty rough on my ankle, which is still healing from being broken a year ago.

    I feel like I've never experienced that "whoosh" effect everybody talks about! And here I had cut out wine during the week -- maybe I'll start sneaking that in again! LOL

    Thanks again guys.

    Wine the night before weigh-in morning. Best opportunity. Or fit it into calorie goal and do it every day, there are benefits to it.

    LBM is indeed everything but fat, which includes muscle, organs, water, blood, ect. All things that require metabolism to deal with. When people mistakenly say you've gained muscle, that 2 lb gain in a week is just as impossible as muscle as it being purely fat that was gained. But LBM can go up, and that includes water.

    I wasn't even touching on what to eat at, just fact that if it was fat gain, that would imply your TDEE is actually 500 lower. And BMR likely 400 lower, and if using Katch for BMR, that would imply your bodyfat% estimate is probably 20% off.

    Purely commenting on fact you did gain water, not fat.

    At to what to eat to, I'd say trust your BMF now and take 20% off. Get the weekly avg so you can plan each day being the same.

    HIIT is like lifting in the sense of anaerobic intense work that burns fat during the repair process, but more sport specific for muscles and anaerobic conditioning for that sport. Skip it if dealing with injuries that could flair up, it is intense. Just use the time for getting a few more lifts in using major muscles.
  • LuluProteinFueled
    LuluProteinFueled Posts: 261 Member
    What is your carb macro set to? Do you go consistently over it even after logging exercise? Our macros can be the most important thing sometimes, esp if we don't pay close attention to carbs. I'll wait for your answer before explaining why I asked... No point getting an essay from me if it's not gonna help! :)
  • bellabrite
    bellabrite Posts: 89 Member
    So after trying to hit 30% protein for a few months I kind of accepted that I don't think I'm meant to go quite that high.
    I'm a vegetarian, and my body just hates "added" protein that you find in bars, shakes, and cereals.

    So I've basically been at 50% carbs/ 30% fat / 20% protein

    I'd be interested to hear your story.
  • LuluProteinFueled
    LuluProteinFueled Posts: 261 Member
    I'll try and keep it short.

    You eat carbs, and they are converted and stored in the muscles and the liver. Your brain & muscles use them for fuel, but the muscles and the liver can only store so much. The bottom line, if you eat over what the muscles/liver/brain can use or store, they are converted to fat. I am sure this is something you have heard before.

    Thus, the more carbs you eat (especially high-GI), the more insulin released into your blood to combat the rise in sugar, and then this signals your body to store more fat.

    You can have a bit of a read here: http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/article/Insulin_Weight_Loss

    I wonder if it's worth trying to raise your protein significantly and lower your carbs a bit over the next couple of weeks just to see. By no means cut out carbs completely, but just see if you can stick slightly under your 40%, and go over with your protein instead. I know for me, especially with my family history, my best weeks are the ones where I keep my carbs most in check. I seem to get much better results. I have been insulin-sensitive all my life and have been known to put on fat very quickly just from a couple of really bad carb weeks, even if my calories are in line.

    I know what you've said about struggling with protein, but it might just be your best friend here so don't give up. I know plenty of vegetarians that are hitting at LEAST 30% protein every day, I see their diaries. It just needs a bit of research. I think your 50% carbs is definitely too much. Also, if you log exercise as cals burned, it also adds value to your carb macro as well, meaning you're eating even more carbs when you shouldn't be. This is because MFP is designed to be set at a low level, then eat exercise calories back. It doesn't account for those of us that follow the TDEE/cut method.

    Bottom line.... I honestly think that carbs are the missing link in a LOT of people's struggles where calories in/calories out just doesn't seem to cut it.