New, and a few questions

Hi, I'm new to this site and this group. I have only heard a little bit about the Paleo / Primal lifestyle. This is new to me. I am not sure yet whether I will adhere to one of these systems, but I am interested to learn.

First of all, my wife found a website and book that basically says, it is not possible to eat too much protein (unless it keeps you from eating other things you need). Do you know if that is true?

I am a dairy lover, so I am afraid I would have to go Primal rather than Paleo. Have to have my cheese, yogurt, and butter! It just makes the meat and veggies go down better. :wink:

I understand the need for pure food without preservatives, extra sugars, and so on. How (other than raising your own food, which I do some of) can you consistently buy these foods at good affordable prices?

How important do you believe it is to avoid soy for this diet? And processed soy in particular?

Do you recommend a lot of nuts, and of different types?

What about peanut butter? One of my best friends. :tongue:

Thanks.

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  • Mrs_Duh
    Mrs_Duh Posts: 263
    -Peanut butter is a no-no. Peanuts are legumes and legumes are off-limits. You can substitute with almond butter, cashew butter or sunbutter. I LOVE almond butter.

    -If you stick with the strictly organic, cage-free, grass-fed stuff, unfortunately it is a little more expensive. I think it's worth it to know I'm putting more high quality, less chemicalized foods into my body. You don't have to do everything organic/grass-fed, though. It's just recommended. You can find lists online of the best fruits and veggies to buy organic, because some aren't as affected by the pesticides as others. (Trader Joe's has great prices on some organics. If you have one close by, go check them out).

    -Avoiding soy isn't as hard as you think. If you avoid processed foods, you'll avoid a lot of soy.

    -I've had a hard time avoiding dairy, too. I just keep it to minimally processed dairy items, and only have one small serving a day (if that).
  • MikeFlyMike
    MikeFlyMike Posts: 639 Member
    Super quick response. Yes please avoid all soy. It is horrible stuff and especially bad on your hormones.

    Eating too much protein is quite hard unless you have a compromised kidney function.
  • GnaBean
    GnaBean Posts: 112 Member
    What I've read about protein is that if you eat too much, the excess is elminated by the body as waste. Carbs, on the other hand, if you eat too much, your body will store it as fat. Guess which one I'd rather eat more of?
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    First of all, my wife found a website and book that basically says, it is not possible to eat too much protein (unless it keeps you from eating other things you need). Do you know if that is true?
    As was mentioned, excess protein is passed on - it may cause ketosis, but it won't add weight like excess carbs do.
    I am a dairy lover, so I am afraid I would have to go Primal rather than Paleo. Have to have my cheese, yogurt, and butter! It just makes the meat and veggies go down better.
    Another option is to switch to sheep and goat dairy. Both are more easily digestible than cow dairy. I use goat butter, goat yogurt and many different goat- and sheep-milk cheeses.
    I understand the need for pure food without preservatives, extra sugars, and so on. How (other than raising your own food, which I do some of) can you consistently buy these foods at good affordable prices?
    Define 'affordable'. Industrial foods are cheap because they cut corners and use substandard components. The price of organic food is the TRUE cost of food.

    Admittedly, where you live can affect the cost of organic/natural foods, but it generally isn't THAT expensive. I get my organic eggs from a neighbor at half the cost of similar eggs at the health food store. I get my pastured pork, beef and chicken also from local ranch sources at competitive prices. Veggies are organic from local farms. I don't use processed, canned or frozen foods very often. Primal and paleo diets are a part of what is known as 'hunter/gatherer' diets. While I don't hunt or gather like my forebears, as a modern 'hunter/gatherer', I take the time to find good food sources at prices I can afford. MY grocery day may take a little more time and driving - but I get foods that are locally grown, organic or pastured, and whole and healthy.
    How important do you believe it is to avoid soy for this diet? And processed soy in particular?
    The vast majority of soy sold now is genetically modified and should be avoided. The 'healthy' benefits of soy are in the WHOLE soy products (edamame and tofu) - not the broken down components like soy protein isolates etc. Avoid, unless you can find organic edamame.
    Do you recommend a lot of nuts, and of different types?
    Most nuts are high in omega6. Eat in small amounts - and eat raw. Roasting oxidizes the oils and increases the omega6s.
    What about peanut butter? One of my best friends.
    Peanuts = legumes. Avoid. If you must, eat dry-roasted, not raw, since roasting kills aflatoxin, a known carcinogen.
  • jennaworksout
    jennaworksout Posts: 1,739 Member
    no such thing as too much protein, no eating peanut butter, no eating soy, nuts in moderation, and like above poster , goat cheese if possible.

    pretty much agree with monkeydharma :bigsmile:
  • JohnNull
    JohnNull Posts: 133 Member
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    First of all, my wife found a website and book that basically says, it is not possible to eat too much protein (unless it keeps you from eating other things you need). Do you know if that is true?

    Basically correct.
    I am a dairy lover, so I am afraid I would have to go Primal rather than Paleo. Have to have my cheese, yogurt, and butter! It just makes the meat and veggies go down better. :wink:

    Everyone's different. I've finally ditched it most days. My skin is better sans dairy.
    I understand the need for pure food without preservatives, extra sugars, and so on. How (other than raising your own food, which I do some of) can you consistently buy these foods at good affordable prices?

    Yes
    How important do you believe it is to avoid soy for this diet? And processed soy in particular?

    Soy wasn't even considered a food in the US until the big overpopulation scare around the Soylent Green movie era. Avoid it.
    Do you recommend a lot of nuts, and of different types?

    No more than a handful a day. Shell them yourself.
    What about peanut butter? One of my best friends. :tongue:

    Peanuts are legumes. Up to you from there. Probably better off without it, but that's up to you to play with.
  • AnneC77
    AnneC77 Posts: 284
    I am starting Primal New Years day and I wondered if Shirataki/Miracle noodles are considered primal?
  • SweetxCatastrophe
    SweetxCatastrophe Posts: 593 Member
    I am starting Primal New Years day and I wondered if Shirataki/Miracle noodles are considered primal?

    Mark Sisson tackled that question here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-apple-cider-vinegar-dna-damage-lactaid-and-miracle-noodles/#axzz2GCuF2jfe

    So, while our caveman ancestors definitely wouldn't have had them, its kind of up to you. If you want to try em and have no ill-effects from eating them, go for it. If you want to avoid them, no worries. I know I personally like them and don't get upset stomach or anything from them, so I use them every now and then.
  • alaskaang
    alaskaang Posts: 493 Member
    I am starting Primal New Years day and I wondered if Shirataki/Miracle noodles are considered primal?

    Depends on how strict you want to be. They are processed food, so in the strictest sense, No. However, as long as you buy the ones that don't have soy added, then Yes as they are just a starchy root similar to a yam in composition.

    If you are just starting out, I'd try zuchini "noodles" or spagetti squash in place of pasta instead.
  • atynk
    atynk Posts: 400 Member
    I am starting Primal New Years day and I wondered if Shirataki/Miracle noodles are considered primal?

    I have actually had these and I find them disgusting! lol... however I recently discovered kelp noodles and they are awesome as a pasta substitute.. they are actually seaweed... but buy the clear ones not the green.. they are often hard to find usually at an asian market in the refrigerated section.. they didn't carry the clear at whole foods
  • caribougal
    caribougal Posts: 865 Member
    I am a dairy lover, so I am afraid I would have to go Primal rather than Paleo. Have to have my cheese, yogurt, and butter! It just makes the meat and veggies go down better. :wink:

    I made the same decision to be primal. I cut out Splenda and then honey from my coffee, but I don't want to cut out the cream. I buy local organic low pasteuriized non-homogenized cream. Raw goats milk is probably best but I don't want the risk of raw milk. We actually had a case of a local girl in kidney failure due to raw milk from a very respectable dairy farm. I also love my cheese. I just try to limit it to really enjoy it and don't drown everything in it. I try to buy pastured butter

    I understand the need for pure food without preservatives, extra sugars, and so on. How (other than raising your own food, which I do some of) can you consistently buy these foods at good affordable prices?

    I try to buy in bulk and look for sales. I bought 1/4 grass-fed cow from a local farm. It was about 100 lbs of beef at around $5/lb, and that's for all the various cuts. That's a year's worth of beef for my family. You can find local sources at www.eatwild.com. I figure the money I'm saving from not eating as many takeout or packaged meals goes towards the healthier food. You can buy frozen veggies for less money than fresh especially at this time of year. If you're really motivated, you can buy in bulk from farmers markets in the summer and can veggies and fruits for the winter. I'm lazy and buy into a canning CSA.
    Do you recommend a lot of nuts, and of different types?
    Nuts in moderation or even limited. Lots of cals in nuts for something that doesn't really fill you up much.

    There are 2 ways you can go about starting paleo/primal.

    Option 1: Go strict, get good at eating well, like doing a whole30. Give your gut a chance to heal and give your brain the 30 days to build the new habits. Then after that, you will be the master of your diet and wont be driven by cravings. you can make the choices about what to add back in, and how you can make it sustainable for you.

    Option 2: Go slow. Eliminate gluten first. Then eliminate the junk food. Or eat Paleo during the week but not weekends. Or at home but not when you eat out. Or however you want.

    I chose Option 1. Now I have a good sense of how and when I prefer to "off road". For example, we eat takeout Chinese about once every two weeks. At first, I ordered steamed veggies with shrimp, no sauce, no rice. Nothing else. I felt really deprived. Now, I figure that I eat well 90% of the time. I can enjoy that one meal a little more, and now I order what I want. I still try to order something that doesn't have a ton of soy, but I don't stress over it. I enjoy a crab Rangoon and a sesame ball. I might take a small serving of rice. I'm happier, and I don't let it derail the rest of my eating.

    Just remember that even if you're Paleo, you're also human, and it's impossible to be perfect 100% of the time. Strive for it, and allow yourself the exceptions when it works for you.
  • breeanreyes
    breeanreyes Posts: 228 Member
    read this article http://paleodietlifestyle.com/fatty-meat-potatoes-dairy-and-paleo-2-0/ ... it explains in greater detail about the myths/facts of why you should or shouldn't eat things. Also, I really like the paleodietlifestyle.com as a website, great articles and recipes. Also marksdailyapple.com is a great resource too! I live in an area where, short of buying a cow, organic-grassfed beef is almost non-existent. I buy my meat at a local butcher where the quality is a bit better than regular, styrofoam packed crap. I try to buy organic when I can, but mainly I avoid processed foods, grains, and sugar.