I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

***edit to say: Just trying to get some engaging convo going as this group is failing fast.

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

Jim, I'm with you. It's a Hallmark holiday that just makes the single feel "bah-humbug" and the together feel they have to get something/do something special. My BF and I are doing what we always do on Thursday, Happy Hour at our favorite brewpub.

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

***edit to say: Just trying to get some engaging convo going as this group is failing fast.

Hahaha, it's cool

Like I said, you'll get the shallow girls who just want to show off to other girls, or the people who feel like it's a marker as to how empty their life is.

But it doesn't have to be! It's like people saying we don't need halloween to dress up and have candy, or we don't need Thanksgiving to have a huge meal with our family and be thankful for what we have. I get why people don't want to do the whole buying cards and flowers thing, but you can still take the opportunity to really appreciate the people in your life.

Celebrate love, man. /dirty hippie

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

***edit to say: Just trying to get some engaging convo going as this group is failing fast.

Hahaha, it's cool

Like I said, you'll get the shallow girls who just want to show off to other girls, or the people who feel like it's a marker as to how empty their life is.

But it doesn't have to be! It's like people saying we don't need halloween to dress up and have candy, or we don't need Thanksgiving to have a huge meal with our family and be thankful for what we have. I get why people don't want to do the whole buying cards and flowers thing, but you can still take the opportunity to really appreciate the people in your life.

Celebrate love, man. /dirty hippie

amen

It's not about doing it specifically because it's v-day, it's doing it because you care that she finds v-day special. Just because you don't celebrate something doesn't mean you have to bust someone elses bubble.

Beautiully said :flowerforyou: If it matters to your partner, if it has the potential to remind her that you care how he/she feels and to make him/her feel special, even just or a moment, why would you set out to undo or undermine that? Of course doing that doesn't need a special day, but the fact is that our society places a special importance on loving gestures made on that one day of the year. I doubt many women/girls didn't have a dream at some point or other of getting a card or a rose or a heart-shaped chocolate from a 'secret' admirer on Valentine's day. You have the opportunity to make that fantasy a reality for her. Major brownie points for you, for a tiny little bit of effort, and something she'll always smile about, even if you go your separate ways further down the line. I can't see how anyone loses.

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

Jim, I'm with you. It's a Hallmark holiday that just makes the single feel "bah-humbug" and the together feel they have to get something/do something special. My BF and I are doing what we always do on Thursday, Happy Hour at our favorite brewpub.

But isn't that still a celebration? Sure don't let anyone dictate what you do, but is it really so bad to have a reminder that some days are special and that there are things we are grateful for?

But you should love each other and buy each other gifts everyday, not just a day that someone says so. To each his own.

Edit: And oh, I don't feel that HH is celebrating, it's what we do with our friends every Thursday, no matter what Thursday it is.

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

Jim, I'm with you. It's a Hallmark holiday that just makes the single feel "bah-humbug" and the together feel they have to get something/do something special. My BF and I are doing what we always do on Thursday, Happy Hour at our favorite brewpub.

But isn't that still a celebration? Sure don't let anyone dictate what you do, but is it really so bad to have a reminder that some days are special and that there are things we are grateful for?

Nothings says special like millions of other people doing the same exact thing

I have to be honest here... I actually find the need for things or people to feel special a complete turnoff.

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

Jim, I'm with you. It's a Hallmark holiday that just makes the single feel "bah-humbug" and the together feel they have to get something/do something special. My BF and I are doing what we always do on Thursday, Happy Hour at our favorite brewpub.

But isn't that still a celebration? Sure don't let anyone dictate what you do, but is it really so bad to have a reminder that some days are special and that there are things we are grateful for?

Nothings says special like millions of other people doing the same exact thing

I have to be honest here... I actually find the need for things or people to feel special a complete turnoff.

So you don't celebrate your birthday (along with all the other people born on your day), christmas (including gift exchanges at work or with friends), thanksgiving?

I have to be honest here... I actually find the need for things or people to feel special a complete turnoff.

Yup, this is the way to a woman's heart for sure... I'm teasing, but really, in the scheme of things, is buying some flowers or going out to dinner really that over-the-top that you cannot do it one day regardless of how you personally feel? Just do it and let her appreciate you for it man! And maybe in return she'll thank you in a very special way.:bigsmile:

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

Jim, I'm with you. It's a Hallmark holiday that just makes the single feel "bah-humbug" and the together feel they have to get something/do something special. My BF and I are doing what we always do on Thursday, Happy Hour at our favorite brewpub.

But isn't that still a celebration? Sure don't let anyone dictate what you do, but is it really so bad to have a reminder that some days are special and that there are things we are grateful for?

But you should love each other and buy each other gifts everyday, not just a day that someone says so. To each his own.

Do you buy your loved ones presents on Christmas? Do you make an effort to be with your family for the holidays? Do you call your friends on their birthday? Take them out? Buy them a beer?

Because if you do ANY of those things, or anything else that is a "special" day, even if it's in a nontraditional way, your point carries no water.

Presents and quality time spent matter more to me on days that aren't special. I'd rather him stop and buy me flowers on the way home from work on any old day because he was thinking of me. I'd rather him say "you know, we don't spend enough time together, let's go somewhere this weekend". Whenever. When there isn't a day to determine it. I'm sorry, Emily, neither of us are right or wrong. It's how we feel. No need debating it further.

I'm not saying you're wrong, if anything I'm struggling to understand how people can be so apathetic, or even hate, one holiday, but like and celebrate all others. I agree with you - the spontaneous moments are FAR more special, but that doesn't mean other "scheduled" days can't be special too. There is a logical lacking in the idea that Christmas and other holidays/birthdays can be scheduled fun, but Valentines day is a cheap ploy.

No one is saying you have to celebrate it in exactly the same manner - clearly I'm not. But what's wrong with doing something nice for someone on a pre selected day?

I know it's trendy and all to hate things that bring love and joy but I've not much for cynicism. Yes, I'm aware that valentines day is a "corporate holiday" - but all holidays are "made up" and this one is something that celebrates the love in your life. Why is that so awful? No, I don't -need- to be reminded that I have loved ones, but it's fun to celebrate. So quit your b*tching and just enjoy the f*cking day and realize that you have a lot to be cherishing in your life whether you are single, divorced, married, taken, WHATEVER.

Now eat your godd*mn candy.

Why does it require a day to feel any of the above?? I think Vday is more for women to feel special around their friends... "Oh I got flowers" or "we did this." Cause trust me most dudes could give a *kitten*.

Jim, I'm with you. It's a Hallmark holiday that just makes the single feel "bah-humbug" and the together feel they have to get something/do something special. My BF and I are doing what we always do on Thursday, Happy Hour at our favorite brewpub.

But isn't that still a celebration? Sure don't let anyone dictate what you do, but is it really so bad to have a reminder that some days are special and that there are things we are grateful for?

But you should love each other and buy each other gifts everyday, not just a day that someone says so. To each his own.

Do you buy your loved ones presents on Christmas? Do you make an effort to be with your family for the holidays? Do you call your friends on their birthday? Take them out? Buy them a beer?

Because if you do ANY of those things, or anything else that is a "special" day, even if it's in a nontraditional way, your point carries no water.

Presents and quality time spent matter more to me on days that aren't special. I'd rather him stop and buy me flowers on the way home from work on any old day because he was thinking of me. I'd rather him say "you know, we don't spend enough time together, let's go somewhere this weekend". Whenever. When there isn't a day to determine it. I'm sorry, Emily, neither of us are right or wrong. It's how we feel. No need debating it further.

I'm not saying you're wrong, if anything I'm struggling to understand how people can be so apathetic, or even hate, one holiday, but like and celebrate all others. I agree with you - the spontaneous moments are FAR more special, but that doesn't mean other "scheduled" days can't be special too. There is a logical lacking in the idea that Christmas and other holidays/birthdays can be scheduled fun, but Valentines day is a cheap ploy.

No one is saying you have to celebrate it in exactly the same manner - clearly I'm not. But what's wrong with doing something nice for someone on a pre selected day?

I never said there was something wrong with it. I said to each his own. My BF and I just don't believe in Valentine's days validity. Just like we don't eat Fast Food. We never said there's something wrong with it, we just don't eat it.

I never said there was something wrong with it. I said to each his own. My BF and I just don't believe in Valentine's days validity. Just like we don't eat Fast Food. We never said there's something wrong with it, we just don't eat it.

I would assume you don't eat fast food because there is something wrong with it - it's unhealthy. which is a very good, common reason to give up something. That's what I don't understand though. You don't believe in Vday "validity" but what makes other special days more "Valid"?

I never said there was something wrong with it. I said to each his own. My BF and I just don't believe in Valentine's days validity. Just like we don't eat Fast Food. We never said there's something wrong with it, we just don't eat it.

I would assume you don't eat fast food because there is something wrong with it - it's unhealthy. which is a very good, common reason to give up something. That's what I don't understand though. You don't believe in Vday "validity" but what makes other special days more "Valid"?

I fail to see why fast food is unhealthy?? I have eaten it up to 3x/week since I was 18.... I played semi pro hockey in that time, I've only been sick 2 times in a 10 year span and have never been a day overweight in 30 years of life. Either I'm a superhero or fast food is getting a bad rap.

-Devils advocate for the day.

***Ochocinco eats Mcdonalds everyday, give him a google and tell me he's unhealthy.

I never said there was something wrong with it. I said to each his own. My BF and I just don't believe in Valentine's days validity. Just like we don't eat Fast Food. We never said there's something wrong with it, we just don't eat it.

I would assume you don't eat fast food because there is something wrong with it - it's unhealthy. which is a very good, common reason to give up something. That's what I don't understand though. You don't believe in Vday "validity" but what makes other special days more "Valid"?

I fail to see why fast food is unhealthy?? I have eaten it up to 3x/week since I was 18.... I played semi pro hockey in that time, I've only been sick 2 times in a 10 year span and have never been a day overweight in 30 years of life. Either I'm a superhero or fast food is getting a bad rap.

-Devils advocate for the day.

***Ochocinco eats Mcdonalds everyday, give him a google and tell me he's unhealthy.

BAHAHAHAHAAAA

You can eat fast food and still counter balance it with a healthy lifestyle. But nutritionally speaking it is unhealthy when compared to unprocessed foods like steak and vegetables. I don't personally give up fast food either, but I am moderate with it and my running helps me have enough calories to fit it in

What I'm saying is that there's a reason.

I know what you are doing. I find it amusing for some reason XD

I never said there was something wrong with it. I said to each his own. My BF and I just don't believe in Valentine's days validity. Just like we don't eat Fast Food. We never said there's something wrong with it, we just don't eat it.

I would assume you don't eat fast food because there is something wrong with it - it's unhealthy. which is a very good, common reason to give up something. That's what I don't understand though. You don't believe in Vday "validity" but what makes other special days more "Valid"?

But not all Fast Food is unhealthy, but that doesn't mean you'll ever find me at a McDonald's drive thru ordering a salad. I just don't believe in it. Like I don't believe in Valentine's day. I just don't. Ok. I have no reason. I just don't and never did believe in it. But I never said that everyone else has to believe how I do. We just don't believe in celebrating it.

Frankly, I don't believe in any of the made-up crap that are Christmas, Valentine's day, Easter, New Year's Eve and all that.
I guess that chances are my friends, family or whoever is concerned is going to be available on that day, so that is perhaps one advantage of these days over other "regular" days.
I particularly don't believe in the premium price I have to pay for the same crap that I could get all year round for "a normal price" (supply vs demand, fair enough!).
I guess these events are just good reasons to celebrate if you need any, but with a poor entertainment value for the money spent and pushed to us by smart marketers and greedy businessmen. So I'd rather spend the same money on 2 other occasions than once on these days.
You can always do it "on the cheap" though, and I agree these days are good reasons to celebrate (or good reminders to celebrate) if you need any.