Myths and Facts About Hydration Requirements

Sarauk2sf
Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
Obviously, water is not a myth, but there are two main myths or misconceptions that abound: 1) you need at least eight glasses of water a day, and 2) only water hydrates you.

1) You need at least eight glasses of water a day

Proper hydration is required to flush toxins from vital organs, carry nutrients to your cells and a host of other things. However, the question is, how much do we need? The ‘eight glasses a day’ is a recommendation that is seen a lot, including here.

It is not completely clear where the 8 glasses a day came from, but there is no evidence to support the requirement.

Heinz Valtin did an extensive review of this recommendation, which was published in the American Journal of Physiology (http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/283/5/R993.long). He concluded that there is lack of any evidence supporting the eight glasses a day. “I have found no scientific proof that we must “drink at least eight glasses of water a day,” nor proof, it must be admitted, that drinking less does absolutely no harm. However, the published data available to date strongly suggest that, with the exception of some diseases and special circumstances, such as strenuous physical activity, long airplane flights, and climate, we probably are currently drinking enough and possibly even more than enough.”

In fact, in extreme circumstance, drinking excessive amounts of water can actually be dangerous, resulting in hyponatraemia (water intoxication).

So how much water, or other fluids, should you drink a day? That depends on your personal circumstances including how active you are, climate, how much fluid you get from your diet and your general health. The following is a quote from the Mayo Clinic: “Generally if you drink enough fluid so that you rarely feel thirsty and produce 1.5 liters (6.3 cups) or more of colorless or light yellow urine a day, your fluid intake is probably adequate. If you're concerned about your fluid intake or have health issues, check with your doctor or a registered dietitian. He or she can help you determine the amount of water that's right for you.”

2) Only water hydrates you

The simple answer is that you can obtain fluids for hydration from beverages and food. It is not just plain water that hydrates you and caffeine is basically no more a diuretic than water is unless consumed in large quantities, and even then, the diuretic effect is minimal. You do obviously have to count the calories in your beverages/food.

For the geeks, or if you do not believe me:


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283 - any beverage counts

"beverages such as milk and juice are composed mostly of water. Even beer, wine and caffeinated beverages — such as coffee, tea or soda — can contribute"

"What you eat also provides a significant portion of your fluid needs. On average, food provides about 20 percent of total water intake."


http://www.jacn.org/content/22/2/165.short flavored plain water counts

"Inclusion of plain drinking water compared to exclusion of plain drinking water in the diet did not affect the markers of hydration used in this study."


http://www.jacn.org/content/19/5/591.short any beverage counts

"This preliminary study found no significant differences in the effect of various combinations of beverages on hydration status of healthy adult males. Advising people to disregard caffeinated beverages as part of the daily fluid intake is not substantiated by the results of this study."


http://bjsportmed.com/content/40/5/406.abstract sports drinks can hydrate more than plain water in some situations

"Ad libitum consumption of a CHO-E drink may be more effective than water in minimising fluid deficits and mean core temperature responses during tennis and other similar training in adolescent athletes."


http://www.jacn.org/content/26/suppl_5/592S.short food counts

"Various reports indicate that humans receive 20–25% of their daily water intake from food. Fruits, vegetables and other high-moisture foods, therefore, make an important contribution to total fluid intake."


http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12834577 the diuretic effect of caffeine is minimal

"...nor does it cause significant dehydration or electrolyte imbalance during exercise."


http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12187618 the diuretic effect of caffeine is minimal

"The literature indicates that caffeine consumption stimulates a mild diuresis similar to water, but there is no evidence of a fluid-electrolyte imbalance that is detrimental to exercise performance or health"

"Investigations comparing caffeine (100-680 mg) to water or placebo seldom found a statistical difference in urine volume."


http://jap.physiology.org/content/83/4/1152.abstract? interesting one about alcohol post exercise and recovery

“There appears to be no difference in recovery from dehydration whether the rehydration beverage is alcohol free or contains up to 2% alcohol, but drinks containing 4% alcohol tend to delay the recovery process.”



In the interest of clarity, this post is not intended to encourage people not to drink water – it has zero calories and is free/cheap, but to try to clear up any misunderstandings with regard to hydration.

Replies

  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    You had me at "beer"! :)
  • Cranktastic
    Cranktastic Posts: 1,517 Member
    You had me at "beer"! :)

    and also with you:drinker:
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    Next round's on me!
  • PetulantOne
    PetulantOne Posts: 2,131 Member
    :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Wonderful, wonderful!!
  • Oishii
    Oishii Posts: 2,675 Member
    I saw a new one in my newsfeed recently: you have to drink a certain amount of water to lose weight, and many failing to lose weight just aren't drinking enough.

    And she called me ignorant for not believing such complete tosh.:huh:
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Excellent post.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Great post! This is why I quit logging water a long time ago. :drinker:
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    It takes 8 liters [of water] to make one liter of beer. So for every liter of beer I drink I log 8.

    Done!


    Edit: of water.
  • claritarejoice
    claritarejoice Posts: 461 Member
    I only have anecdotal evidence to support this, but every day after I drink my morning coffee I have to poo. So I say it's a diuretic.
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    It takes 8 liters [of water] to make one liter of beer. So for every liter of beer I drink I log 8.

    Done!


    Edit: of water.
    You're a fcking genius!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I only have anecdotal evidence to support this, but every day after I drink my morning coffee I have to poo. So I say it's a diuretic.

    A diuretic is about pee not poo.

    Also, if you look at all the peer reviewed studies I provided, it is not. It is a stimulant however.

    Sorry - but I just had to add this:

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  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    I only have anecdotal evidence to support this, but every day after I drink my morning coffee I have to poo. So I say it's a diuretic.

    A diuretic is about pee not poo.

    Also, if you look at all the peer reviewed studies I provided, it is not. It is a stimulant however.

    Sorry - but I just had to add this:

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    Perfect!! If your lyin' your dyin'!! love it.
  • jacquerd
    jacquerd Posts: 121 Member
    YAY!!!!! Coffee drinkers unite!!!!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I saw the reference to where the 8 glasses, or 64 oz's of water came from.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day

    In 1945 the Food and Nutrition Board, now part of the National Academy of Sciences's Institute of Medicine, suggested that a person consume one milliliter of water (about one fifth of a teaspoon) for each calorie of food. The math is pretty simple: A daily diet of around 1,900 calories would dictate the consumption of 1,900 milliliters of water, an amount remarkably close to 64 ounces. But many dieticians and other people failed to notice a critical point: namely, that much of the daily need for water could be met by the water content found in food.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I saw the reference to where the 8 glasses, or 64 oz's of water came from.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day

    In 1945 the Food and Nutrition Board, now part of the National Academy of Sciences's Institute of Medicine, suggested that a person consume one milliliter of water (about one fifth of a teaspoon) for each calorie of food. The math is pretty simple: A daily diet of around 1,900 calories would dictate the consumption of 1,900 milliliters of water, an amount remarkably close to 64 ounces. But many dieticians and other people failed to notice a critical point: namely, that much of the daily need for water could be met by the water content found in food.

    Yes - that was concluded in the study I linked by Heinz Valtin as the most likely, but misinterpreted source of the 8 glasses myth.
  • LdyPsych
    LdyPsych Posts: 79 Member
    A recent article I read by another psychologist indicated that the recommendation was from a panel regarding space travel very early on (if I recall correctly, ca 1950's); apparently, they surmised that a human would need 8 cups of water per day in space. And here we are... LOL. If you are interested in the link, message me and I will locate it.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    A recent article I read by another psychologist indicated that the recommendation was from a panel regarding space travel very early on (if I recall correctly, ca 1950's); apparently, they surmised that a human would need 8 cups of water per day in space. And here we are... LOL. If you are interested in the link, message me and I will locate it.

    Could be another reason the myth came about..I had not heard of that one.
  • SteveJWatson
    SteveJWatson Posts: 1,225 Member
    It takes 8 liters [of water] to make one liter of beer. So for every liter of beer I drink I log 8.

    Done!


    Edit: of water.

    Yes, but only because of water that evaporates during boiling and that taken to grow and malt the grain... :laugh:
  • Snicklefritz81
    Snicklefritz81 Posts: 35 Member
    I've always thought the 8 glasses wasn't accurate. I always thought though, that it was half your body weight in water. But lately I've been aiming for clear toilet bowls, and have gotten them. :)
  • towens00
    towens00 Posts: 1,033 Member
    Ty!!!! I spend way too much time peeing, lol.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I've always thought the 8 glasses wasn't accurate. I always thought though, that it was half your body weight in water. But lately I've been aiming for clear toilet bowls, and have gotten them. :)

    Rule of thumb. Aim for 5 clear pees (or pretty clear anyway) a day!
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    “Generally if you drink enough fluid so that you rarely feel thirsty and produce 1.5 liters (6.3 cups) or more of colorless or light yellow urine a day, your fluid intake is probably adequate. If you're concerned about your fluid intake or have health issues, check with your doctor or a registered dietitian. He or she can help you determine the amount of water that's right for you.”

    I am not even gonna try to figure out how to estimate how much urine I produce daily. There's enough measuring and weighing of things going on in my life as it is.

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  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    What has been seen cannot be unseen.

    Thank goodness I didn't know about this in my days of separating the pepper strands from the onion strands and weighing them individually from my Chipotle bowls. I hope my husband would have had the good sense to draw the line and tell me to call my counselor immediately if I tried to measure my pee-pee. (heh heh)

    I've had about 7 cups of Mio and Crystal Light today. I take enough vitamins throughout the day that my pee will never be clear, so I just drink to my thirst and call it a day.
  • catfive1
    catfive1 Posts: 529 Member
    Ty!!!! I spend way too much time peeing, lol.

    Me too. Getting up way too many times in the night. I'm going to stop logging and counting water now.
  • lwoodroff
    lwoodroff Posts: 1,431 Member
    There was an episode of QI with Stephen Fry where they concluded that brine was pretty much the only thing that wouldn't count towards hydration.

    And +1million on 'water in food counts'. And tea. definitely tea. :)
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    There was an episode of QI with Stephen Fry where they concluded that brine was pretty much the only thing that wouldn't count towards hydration.

    And +1million on 'water in food counts'. And tea. definitely tea. :)

    I love QI. You can watch it on YouTube (which is great as you do not get it over here).
  • macchiatto
    macchiatto Posts: 2,890 Member
    I've always thought the 8 glasses wasn't accurate. I always thought though, that it was half your body weight in water. But lately I've been aiming for clear toilet bowls, and have gotten them. :)

    LOL. That's what I aim for as well. (I'm frequently thirsty and love ice water so I tend to naturally drink 60-80 oz of water a day plus a ridiculous amount of coffee.) Total TMI but since we're already there, whenever I see other people's urine samples at drs' offices I'm always a bit shocked at how dark they all are. ;) (But hey, maybe that's why they're at the dr's. ;))