Why are you taking Warfarin?

goonas
goonas Posts: 205
edited October 22 in Social Groups
I know this group is more about those who have had strokes, but I am different I had a PE (Pulmonary Embolism - Blood clot on the lung) at the age of 32 (3 years ago), and have been found to have a genetic disorder called Factor V Leiden, which means I am more susceptible to clots. This came out of the blue completely, no history of clots in the family etc.

I am now on life long Warfain - a relatively small dose of around 5mg per day and have an INR target of between 2 and 3.

I also home test here in the UK, but use my local anti-coagulation clinic to determine the dosage.

So whats your story?

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  • SLBry6024
    SLBry6024 Posts: 43 Member
    Hello I am also have Factor V Ladien and now on life long warfin.
    I got m first DVT/PT 14 yrs ago
    and this past summer I got my second DVT so I am now on life long warfin.
    I am a mother of four.
  • tomdVT
    tomdVT Posts: 30
    Aortic valve replacement.
  • qbuster
    qbuster Posts: 14 Member
    Over the past 5 years I've had a number of TIA (Transient Ischaemic Attacks) which are mini-strokes that only last a few minutes and leave you without any lasting after-effects.

    In July I had one that was a bit more severe and left me with a numb left arm and scans revealed a very small stroke site in the right-back of my brain. I regained the use of my arm & hand quite quickly although it is still slightly numb.

    As a result I was put onto life-time warfarin with an INR target of 2-3 and currently I am at 2.6. My Warfarin dose is 7.5mg.

    I have a canal boat on which I usually spend the whole summer but I haven't yet been out this year as I needed to hang around whilst the INR settled. So I could get away when it settled, I purchased a Coagucheck and have just started to do my own monitoring and hoping to get some reasonable weather so that I can get away for a couple of weeks before the colder weather sets in. We have 2,000 miles of connected inland waterways her in the UK.

    I'm retired but keep active campaigning on inland waterway issues (Central shires Waterway Partnership of the Canal & River Trust) and local politics (Parish Council) and designing and maintaining various websites. I've managed to keep myself fit over the years with regular walks, boating and rowing all of which is now getting more attention after the stroke.

    I'm also on a statin (40mg Simvastatin) but not entirely happy about it as I am fairly sure I could control my cholesterol level with exercise and diet. My current cholesterol level is 5.7 but at the time of my stroke it was only 4.6 which is below target for my age (75).

    I'm really impressed with myFitnessPal and just hope we can persuade them to include Vitamin K.
  • qbuster
    qbuster Posts: 14 Member
    I know this group is more about those who have had strokes, but I am different I had a PE (Pulmonary Embolism - Blood clot on the lung) at the age of 32 (3 years ago), and have been found to have a genetic disorder called Factor V Leiden, which

    Goonas, thanks for reminding me that there are several other illnesses that require long term Warfarin (and other anti-clot agents). It would be good to think of a better name for the Group to reflect different illnesses that use Warfarin.

    Warfarin is also common treatment for those suffering from Atrial Fibrillation (irregular heart-beat) which I have had for about 40 years and probably should have been treated long ago but I never complained about it because it was - and still is - virtually without symptoms.

    I think it is commonly used for people that have had certain kinds of open heart surgery and joint replacements. Does anyone know more about this?

    I think the key focus of the group should be the management of Vitamin K in our diet as that puts anyone taking Warfarin at risk. In this regard I have already written to the founder of myFitnessPal requesting that it includes Vitamin K amongst the other nutrients. I'll keep everyone informed of any news in that regard.

    Cheers

    Will
  • qbuster
    qbuster Posts: 14 Member
    Aortic valve replacement.

    Thanks for identifying another illness requiring Warfarin. Is it a lifetime requirement?

    Cheers

    Will
  • tomdVT
    tomdVT Posts: 30
    Greetings! A little more background:

    I was was diagnosed with a murmur about 18 years ago. Aortic stenosis was suspected but not confirmed at the time.. Over time my energy level was dropping until in the final year, I could not stand and talk to somebody for more than a few minutes without a great deal of effort.

    Ironically I could keep moving, as long as I didn't stop I was okay. Over many years, I also gained weight and was almost 60 lbs over at one time. One day I collapsed, right out of the blue, no pain etc. Just down I went.

    Long story short I ended up in a major hospital in critical condition with severe aortic stenosis and wasn't even let out of bed for a time. I was told I would be dead in less than six months without surgery. The stenosis was due to a bicuspid valve.

    So I ended up with an artificial valve. Warfarin is something I will be taking for the rest of my life. I need to keep my INR between 2.5 and 3.5. So I've been going down this road for a year and a half. I do okay for a time then my levels go nuts, swinging wildly as the doc changes my dosage.

    I really-really dislike warfarin! But until something else is approved, that's where I am.

    Oh, on the weight, I went through cardiac rehab and the day that ended I joined a local gym and worked very hard through last winter. It was at the gym I heard about MFP and after all that, I've dropped ALL of the extra weight I was looking to lose. I even reduced my goal another few pounds and am halfway to that.

    It's not too often one gets a "high-five" from their doc, I did. :smile:

    Now if I could get more consistent blood tests I'd be all set.

    Tom
  • goonas
    goonas Posts: 205
    So I could get away when it settled, I purchased a Coagucheck and have just started to do my own monitoring and hoping to get some reasonable weather so that I can get away for a couple of weeks before the colder weather sets in. We have 2,000 miles of connected inland waterways her in the UK.

    I too am in the UK and use the same machine, I don't know if you are aware but the strips that go into the machine are available on prescription, but it is down to your local Primary Care Trust whether or not your doctor is allowed to prescribe them for you, after getting them direct from Roche is approx £64 isn (can't remember off the top of my head).

    I myself bought the machine and pay for the strips myself as I get no help from my PCT.

    The PCT claim that they don't trust the machines fully etc, however they are the same ones that are used at my local Anti-coagulation clinic, it all seemed like an excuse to me, and I did eventually find out the reason why they won't prescribe or want me to do home testing/monitoring. I thought I was doing the NHS a favour by not taking up a nurses time and allowing other more needy people who could do with the nurses time (i.e. those that may not know how to use the machines).

    But in fact the reason is down to budgets, but not the budget you may think, its because local PCT's get funding/money for patients visits to the clinics from the NHS, and if I am not there the hospital do not deem me as needing funding, hence the PCT lose money - so nice to hear isn't it. :(
  • I had a stroke about 10 years ago. I was on warfarin for quite some time. No problems, but a very restrictive diet. My doctor switched me to Pradaxa and my diet choices are much wider now. Still feeling great and trying to lose a few vanity pounds.
  • bamagirl485564
    bamagirl485564 Posts: 14 Member
    I also take warfarin for a clotting disorder, They found a clot in my right leg in 2009. and after many blood tests it was found I have Lupus Anticoagulant disorder, and I am also going to be on blood thinners the rest of my life. But I thank God that they found it before it moved. I have 2 boys and want to be with them as long as God will allow. I take 6mg a night, most of the time, I have my INR checked every Wed, It is all over the place. I had some stroke like symptoms in June, So they now keep it a little thinner than before. I am so glad I was told about this site, It is a wonderful place.
  • hughtwalker
    hughtwalker Posts: 2,213 Member
    I was on Warfarin for the first 6 months of this year - with a yoyo-ing INR that kept my dose changing weekly. I had had pulmonary emboli in January and was on Warfarin until July. - no known cause factors for the clots and no risk factors ongoing. i.e. I could get another tomorrow or never again.

    The biggest risk was the 2 hours it took the pin prick to stop bleeding on the day I scored 4.5

    Whilst on the Warfarin I was probably the only person of the flight to Crete who didn't need to get up and walk up and down the aisle now and again (apart from "other causes" - but that is definitely heading into TooMuchInformation territory). Whilst there my electric razor gave up and so I shaved each day VERY CAREFULLY with a disposable razor and soap [without mishap].

    I am a dentist , so I treat people on Warfarin almost every day now. There is a lot of it about.
    From both perspectives, that of user and of clinician, I can observe that it is no big deal as long as you (and I in my professional capacity) play by the rules.
    The INR (International Normalised Ratio) is simple - all GP practices in UK are equipped (you could even buy your own - for about £500) . All I need is a recent INR - within no more than 2 weeks, but ideally a day or so - of no more than 3.5 and I can treat or have treatment that might cause bleeding without concern.

    Any higher than 3.5 then a note or phone call to the patient's GP will suffice to re-balance the dosage, get a satisfactory INR and reschedule. Otherwise, e.g. in cases of Hughes' Syndrome where an INR of 4 or more may be required then referral is the answer.
    However, although I can expand on this theme if any of you wish but that probably isn't appropriate for this thread.
    I am happy to respond to any messages if you prefer to communicate specifics confidentially
  • qbuster
    qbuster Posts: 14 Member
    I would like to tie down the cause for inconsistent blood results (here in the UK we usually measure the INR - is that the same in other countries?).

    As far as mine is concerned I think the inconsistency it is primarily related to Vitamin K and alcohol (more specifically beer).
    My better half has other health issues that demand she eats loads of green veg which clashes with my determination to keep Vitamin K intake down so I try to limit my serving of the dark green veggies to no more than a cup.

    As for the beer - which knocks the INR down - most days I manage to limit myself to 1 or two pints but some times that is difficult - like yesterday - and I sneaked a 3 pint in as I was down at the pub and enjoying chatting with my friends. I've got a Coagucheck machine so I'll test my INR today to see if that third pint effected the INR. I'll report back if the result is interesting.
  • skinnygeekwithin
    skinnygeekwithin Posts: 299 Member
    Hey everyone! Just found this group! 4 and a half years ago I developed DVT's and several clots in both legs. I was hospitalized and subsequently diagnosed with Antiphospholipid Antibody Syndrome so I'm also a lifetime Coumadin/warfarin user now. My doctor likes my INR to be between 2 and 3 but lately I've been a little on the low side.

    Nice to meet others who are in the same boat as me!
  • hughtwalker
    hughtwalker Posts: 2,213 Member
    The usual stuff applies such as about what has changed in your diet e.g. if it is green and "good for you" then it is probably not good for the warfarin.

    It was a lot easier to live with than my training led me to expect. We used to have to stop a patient's warfarin for days - last week I did an extraction for a patient with an INR of 3.4 (3.5 is the cut off) with no bleeding after suturing and packing the socket. Life is possible and even enjoyable with a few sensible precautions.
  • krb974
    krb974 Posts: 8 Member
    I got my first DVT at 20, and my second at 28. Now on Warfarin long-term.
  • hughtwalker
    hughtwalker Posts: 2,213 Member
    I feel for you. SIX MONTHS was tedious - but not as bad as the 3 weeks daily Heparin injections - but it is the INR that is the magic number within my clinical experience.

    Best wishes.
  • jme6976
    jme6976 Posts: 49 Member
    Not sure how active this group is but wanted to say hello! I'm Jamie. I have been on Coumadin since 2002 (11 years this week). Went to the doctor on June 7th because something felt wrong in my leg and I suspected a clot. Doctor thought I was crazy but sent me to ultrasound to show me I was wrong. Well she was wrong I was hospitalized with DVT in left calf. Got out of the hospital two days later on my birthday. Underwent tons of genetic testing and rounds of doctors and opinions and got a diagnosis of anti phospholipid syndrome. I have the lupus anticoagulant antibody. I see a couple others here have that too. I have only met one other person with this disease. I'm on lifelong anticoagulation. Currently take 12 mg but varies 10-15mg at any given time. Check weekly at home with my Roche Coagucheck machine which is great compaired to weekly (sometimes more) digging in my veins I endured the first 10 years! My veins are a wreck from this. My INR has always been unstable even with very close monitoring and consistent diet/exercise. But I have noticed a trend that every summer when it heats up my INR goes high and I battle to keep it where it needs to be. My target is 3.4-4
  • skinnygeekwithin
    skinnygeekwithin Posts: 299 Member
    Not sure how active this group is but wanted to say hello! I'm Jamie. I have been on Coumadin since 2002 (11 years this week). Went to the doctor on June 7th because something felt wrong in my leg and I suspected a clot. Doctor thought I was crazy but sent me to ultrasound to show me I was wrong. Well she was wrong I was hospitalized with DVT in left calf. Got out of the hospital two days later on my birthday. Underwent tons of genetic testing and rounds of doctors and opinions and got a diagnosis of anti phospholipid syndrome. I have the lupus anticoagulant antibody. I see a couple others here have that too. I have only met one other person with this disease. I'm on lifelong anticoagulation. Currently take 12 mg but varies 10-15mg at any given time. Check weekly at home with my Roche Coagucheck machine which is great compaired to weekly (sometimes more) digging in my veins I endured the first 10 years! My veins are a wreck from this. My INR has always been unstable even with very close monitoring and consistent diet/exercise. But I have noticed a trend that every summer when it heats up my INR goes high and I battle to keep it where it needs to be. My target is 3.4-4


    Hey there! You have the same thing I do (AntiPhospholipid Antibody...) My veins are shot too. Not only am I on lifetime coumadin but also compression stockings to prevent swelling. I hate the stockings but I know I'd be miserable without them.
  • jme6976
    jme6976 Posts: 49 Member
    I have been lucky and no stocking for me. The first couple of years I had a lot of pain in the leg with the DVT but had eased up. Strange how much havoc that plays on your nerves in the legs!! My clot was in my calf but my quad felt like it was on fire. Doc said lack of proper blood flow.
  • Its so interesting to read the various reasons Warfarin is used. I had a large stroke in February, which took out a fair chunk on my brain, although I find that hard to believe now. I had a Vertebral Artery Dissection, whereby the inside artery wall layer breaks, and allows a clot to form behind it and the next layer. The inside of the artery is such a mess, so will always be an attractive point for clot formation, so I too have been put onto life long Warfarin. I have just got myself a coaguchek so I can monitor my INR myself... I hope this will give me more control.

    My vascular consultant has advised me a glass of red wine every evening will help dilate the arteries (alcohol) but I forgot to ask if I can drink said glass of wine at the same time I take the warfarin tablet, and eat the meal I have with the tablet.

    Any ideas?

    Sean.
  • PaulaKro
    PaulaKro Posts: 5,768 Member
    This s a great group! Are most in the UK? I'm in the USA.

    I would love to test at home (I live in the mountains and its a long trip to the clinic) but the CoAg (antiCoAgulation) Clinic said they don't let people have a self-test machine unless my INR is very irregular and needs constant monitoring. It probably has to do with home-patients not being counted for funding purposes, as mentioned above.

    The CoAg Clinic is invaluable. Before getting in the program (it's wait listed) regular nurses were trying to determine a dose and they'd move me up or down way too fast. Got to CoAg and stabilized w/in a month on a range of 2-3. (Get a gold star if I hit 2.5 - cute.)

    CoAg told me that greens used to be considered trouble; but now they are okay, IF... As long as your use stays consistent daily, they can set your warfarin dose to cope with it. Because I love greens, they have me on a higher dose and I still hit my range.

    If greens aren't automatically included in my day's meals, I add a spoonful of canned spinach at the end of the day. It's a "place keeper" and offsets my higher warfarin dose for that day. That way I have the same amount of greens every day, either as part of a normal meal or as a "place keeper". I limit my salads, vegetables or canned spinach to the same size serving every day.

    I also tried to find Vitamin K on the MFP food tracker. That would have been sooo nice! Even though Vitamin K would need to be added to all the listings on MFP, it'd be nice to start. Has anyone posted the suggestion on their contact page?

    Love MFP. Am recent bariatric patient and food tracking and support group are life-savers. ...probably literally.

    Several years ago, my doctor interrupted my check-up and had an EKG run. It was atrial fibrillation. By stopping a routine exam and checking on a totally unrelated condition that was curious, she saved my life. Dr. Stegman, my primary, did the same thing when she found my A flutter. I am so lucky to have them!!!!!!!!!

    I'd had the feeling before. Even went to the hospital where they couldn't find anything; and told me it was probably a panic attack. So for years I'd thought it was panic when actually it was a dangerous heart condition. It's hard to catch AFIB at first, it doesn't last very long and it can be gone by the time you get to a professional. So if they tell you to disregard that feeling, you may never go back and have it diagnosed for what it really is; until it's too late. I was lucky it happened when a good doctor was listening.

    It would be so easy to avoid this dangerous situation:
    1) Don't tell the person it's a panic attack and to ignore it.
    2) If people have "panic attacks", tell them to consider possible AFib.
    3) They have heart monitor machines you can wear for 48hr or 30day to see what your heart is doing. But they don't have a lot to hand out, you need an appointment for one. And it still needs to occur during that time period to register.
    It would not have helped me because when my AFib started, it only happened a few times a year. Neither of these time periods would have caught it. Also, it was over so fast, there was no time to get to a doctor for them to hear it. SO...
    4) Loan people a little pulseoxymeter!!!!! They are not as accurate, but can do the job. They're inexpensive - you can get a whole lot to hand out. Mine has a recording function. You can have them bring the recording back for the doctor to look at. Loan it for a year... however long for the sensation to happen again. Check them every 6mos.
    Teach the patient how to use it.
    A) Sit still.
    B) Put this on your finger.
    C) Hit "record".
    D) Call the office.

    Apologize for the epic post. But I wonder how many strokes we could avoid.

    p.s. I've mentioned this to my rhythm specialist. He didn't seem impressed. Am I off base? Going to mention to my cardiologist next week.

    Anyway, was afraid of warfarin. Refused to take it for AFib. Had a TIA. Changed my mind quickly. Am on it for life now; and in control (mostly). Don't want to take the new options yet because they're, well, new. Want to see how they pan out. Was told: if on them and bleeding, can't stop it with a Vitamin K shot. 'Nuf said...

    Thanks for the community!

    Paula
  • I had my 2nd PE last week, and am now on Warfarin for life also. The first one was on New Years Day 2007. I have obstructive sleep apnea and rheumatoid arthritis, both of which put me at a statistically higher risk of a PE, so the Drs. wrote it off as a statistical fluke. This time they are erring on the side of caution and doing warfarin for life. A NP (Nurse Practitioner) suggested Xarelto, but as that is a new drug it is more expensive, and Warfarin has a long track history.

    When my first PE was diagnosed I had symptoms for a couple of weeks to a month. Climbing a flight of stairs tired me out, and I wrote it off. New Years eve I decided to listen to my wife (now standing strong at 23 years of wonderful married life). My O2 level was 90% sitting. I was in the hospital for I think it was 3 days and was on O2 for much of that. They started me on an IV blood thinner which caused a rapid increase of O2. I think it was one (maybe 2) emboli in one lung.

    The second one was a mixed bag. I did not need O2, and I had no symptoms before hand. Monday morning taking the garbage out literally tired me out. When I got to work the walk in from the parking lot did the same. After the 3rd hit with the 2 X 4 (moving material into my cubicle) I decided to opt out and left to get medical attention. I saw the Dr. in his office. My O2 walking in bottomed out at 86%. By the time the ambulance showed my O2 was back to 100%. The ambulance EMT questioned my need for transport, but the Dr. insisted as a chest CT was needed. The ED was packed, and I ended up being left out front in chairs. The CT showed multiple emboli in each lung. I have been out of the hospital for a week, and am looking forward to work on Monday. Discretion being the better part of valor I am parking out front, which means a shorter walk in.

    At least I am getting use to more exercise. My weight is around 290. My biggest problem is consistency with my exercise. I did some water walking 2 days in a row at the Y, and am going to do the same today. I'm also looking to buy an oximeter today.

    I thought I saw a post that said Myfitness pal was considering software to allow tracking of vitamin K. Any suggestions on tracking vitamin K?
  • bamagirl485564
    bamagirl485564 Posts: 14 Member
    Hi, I too wish they would lable Vitamin k on food products! I am also a lifer I was told I have Lupus anticoagulant disorder, found in 09, since then I was also told I have a-fib, was in a-fib for 4 days before they got it under control, can't take any of the Heart meds for it, so I had an Ablation in Nov 2012. lasted til sept, of 2013, started with the symptoms again, had second Ablation Jan of this year, threw a clot in my thigh after surgery! :( But I keep my Blood in the 3's so it disolved ! :) Thank God! still having Fluttering, and shortness of breath, trying to figure out where to go from here, Had knee scope in sept this year, for torn menicus, but was unable to fix it, :\ Was in the hospital 2 and 1/2 weeks due to bleeding cause they was trying to get my INR back up in the 2's. He is wanting to do a knee replacement, but with my clotting issures , I have decided that as long as I can hop around, I will not let him touch it again! I Thank God for warfarin, cause without it I would not be here.! God Bless! :)
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