A little confused on my calorie Intake

AlongCame_Molly
AlongCame_Molly Posts: 2,835 Member
I apologize for posting this in multiple categories, I just wasn't getting very satisfactory answers from the general masses. I got several suggestions to re-post in here, where people I suppose are more likely to have intelligent and accurate answers.

So, getting tired of my same questions? Help me get them answered once and for all and I'll leave you alone. :wink:


I am 27 yearld female, 5'0", 109 lbs, 18.1% bf. I would like to lower bf%, build muscle, and lose a few more inches. Right now I am strength training 3 x week for one hour with heavy weights, and usually go for a 30-40 min run on days in between. The online TDEE calculators are putting me at about 1780 calories a day, and I've been eating 1700 + most of my exercise calories, because I heard that to build muscle I need to eat more than when I was just focused on losing weight. I'm used to eating at about 20% lower than TDEE, but now that I want to build muscle I'm not sure if that's correct anymore. :/

Is 1700 too much? Not enough? Particularly, should I only eat that much on lifting days? Or more? How much should I be eating? I eat a diet high in fats and protein, moderate to low carbs, and I try to get in 2-3 servings of vegetables a day. (Doesn't always happen) I've been eating 1700 for about 3 weeks, which of course I know is too early to be seeing any real results, but I want to be set straight now if I'm doing it wrong, rather than find out months from now and have to go back and start from scratch.

(the last few days of my diary, should you visit it, have been sort of terrible, and should not be considered typical diet for me. And some days, namely weekends, I don't log my food or exercise, but I'm still keeping to my routine, for the most part)

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  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Hi! Couple of questions:


    How long have you been strength training for? What routine are you doing?

    What has your weight done over the last 8 weeks?
  • geekyjock76
    geekyjock76 Posts: 2,720 Member
    At your body fat percentage, and goals to both reduce fat mass and increase lean mass, you may not see decreases in measurements at specific sites: some areas, like your thighs and hips may actually increase due to the accruement in lean mass.

    To maximize any increase in lean mass (muscle being part of it), eating at a slight surplus is in order. To set the appropriate surplus, you must first know the maximum amount of calories you can eat which leads to relative weight homeostasis. If you have been restricting calories in an effort to reduce fat mass, then you'll need to periodically up calories/decreases extra exercise volume until your weight shows very little change over several weeks. Once you accomplish reaching your adjusted TDEE, then you can consider adding the surplus.

    For more information about a lean mass phase, I suggest reading Lyle Mcdonald's thought's on the topic. You'll have to gain some fat mass to gain any appreciable lean mass. Thus, setting the right surplus is important as is establishing an ending period once you reach a certain body fat percentage. Ideally speaking, if you can gain 1 pound of lean mass with 1 pound of fat mass per month, you're doing well.
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html
  • AlongCame_Molly
    AlongCame_Molly Posts: 2,835 Member
    Hi! Couple of questions:


    How long have you been strength training for? What routine are you doing?

    What has your weight done over the last 8 weeks?

    I started 3 weeks ago. I do suspended knee raises, squats in the squat rack, weighted chest flys, free weight T-raises, weighted lunges, barbell raises, lat pulldowns and leg presses. As heavy as I can do for 3 sets of 10 reps.

    My weight has been almost completely stagnant since the first of the year. Fluctuating between 109-111.
  • AlongCame_Molly
    AlongCame_Molly Posts: 2,835 Member
    At your body fat percentage, and goals to both reduce fat mass and increase lean mass, you may not see decreases in measurements at specific sites: some areas, like your thighs and hips may actually increase due to the accruement in lean mass.

    To maximize any increase in lean mass (muscle being part of it), eating at a slight surplus is in order. To set the appropriate surplus, you must first know the maximum amount of calories you can eat which leads to relative weight homeostasis. If you have been restricting calories in an effort to reduce fat mass, then you'll need to periodically up calories/decreases extra exercise volume until your weight shows very little change over several weeks. Once you accomplish reaching your adjusted TDEE, then you can consider adding the surplus.

    For more information about a lean mass phase, I suggest reading Lyle Mcdonald's thought's on the topic. You'll have to gain some fat mass to gain any appreciable lean mass. Thus, setting the right surplus is important as is establishing an ending period once you reach a certain body fat percentage. Ideally speaking, if you can gain 1 pound of lean mass with 1 pound of fat mass per month, you're doing well.
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html

    I'm very sorry if this sounds rude, but this is not helpful at all. ^^ I'm a major weightlifting/musclebuilding noob here, you're going to have to dumb this waaaay down in order for me to get what the heck you are talking about...plus I'm pretty sure nowhere in that mess of intimidatingly-intelligent sounding jargon did my specific questions get answered. :ohwell: I feel even more overwhelmed and confused, now.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    What BF% are you looking to get down to? Just trying to understand how much BF you are looking to lose.
  • AlongCame_Molly
    AlongCame_Molly Posts: 2,835 Member
    What BF% are you looking to get down to? Just trying to understand how much BF you are looking to lose.

    Not entirely sure. I don't know what a full percentage less would look like on me, and I'm not sure what's reasonable or attainable for me. After having my baby and being 30-40 lbs overweight, I'm sure I would have been completely thrilled with 18.1% like I am now, but now that I'm there and STILL think I look like *kitten* naked, well...

    Basically I just want to be happy when I look in the mirror. Whatever percentage I happen to be at when that happens is the percentage I'm aiming for.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Got it. It's a little hard imagining what weight/BF% you want to be if you have not been there before - had the same issue myself.

    Generally, you cannot lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. However, there are a couple of exceptions, one of which is when someone is new to strength training, and is doing a good progressive loading strength training routine (see below for a recommendation).

    So, I would suggest that you take advantage of newbie gains while continuing to eat at a small deficit. This will only last a couple of months and will only be a few pounds at most, so after say 2 or 3 months (or earlier if you start getting too lean) then raise your calories to maintenance.

    At this time you can either recomp or bulk if you wish to gain muscle.

    Under a more direct approach, to gain muscle mass you go through bulk/cut cycles. You eat at a consistent surplus, with doing an appropriate strength training routine to bulk. This will add fat and muscle. You then cut to get rid of the fat and try to maintain the muscle.

    For a recomp, you are basically doing the same thing - but with natural daily overs//unders that come with a varying activity and therefore TDEE as well as better nutrient partitioning, rather than eating at a surplus and then a deficit for months. The problem with recomping - it is very inefficient and hit and miss. Your TDEE changes daily, your food is absorbed and utilized at different rates and throughout a relatively long period of time - so what you eat one day will not necessarily to towards a surplus and therefore muscle gains for that day. So this makes it a bit of a crap shoot. Obviously some of the times, it will go towards muscle gains, which is why people do it when they do not want to do a straight bulk/cut cycle.

    I used to vary my calories somewhat to have higher calories on lifting days - but that was purely for energy requirements and not body recomp requirements. I do not do well lifting on low (for me) calories. However, there are two schools of thought as to whether a straight static number v a varying intake level is best. At the end of the day, I am of the opinion that both are a crap shoot and so go with whichever one gives you better gym performance and/or better satiety and adherence.

    Cut/bulk cycles is a more 'efficient' way of gaining muscle, but you have to be prepared to gain fat. Recomping is slow going, but you do not gain fat so it is preferable to some people.

    With regard to your intake, it is too hard to give you a specific recommendation as you do not log weekends. However, I would give the newer intake level a few more weeks to see where that is trending and tweak appropriately. With regard to macros, you should look to get at least 90g protein and 40g fats. The balance of your calories can go to any of the three macros, but carbs should be the majority.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I would suggest this routine.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4195843&page=1

    A Simple beginner's Routine
    You will do 3 work outs per week on non consecutive days. The first work out is your heavy work out. The second work out is your medium work out, use 10% less weight for your work sets. The final work out for the week is your lite work out, use 20% less weight.

    Do a lite warm up with 1/4 of your work sets weight. Do a medium warm up with 1/2 of your work sets weight. Do 2 work sets with the same weight. Choose a starting weight and start light.

    These are the seven exercises you will be starting with.

    Squats
    Bench Presses
    Bent-Over Rows
    Overhead Barbell Presses
    Stiff-Legged Deadlifts
    Barbell Curls
    Calf Raises

    You will be running this program on a five week cycle as follows:
    The first week do all 4 sets for 8 reps.
    The second week do all 4 sets for 9 reps.
    The third week do all 4 sets for 10 reps.
    The fourth week do all 4 sets for 11 reps.
    The fifth week do all 4 sets for 12 reps.
    If you got all of the required reps on the fifth week then increase the weight by 10% and

    repeat the cycle. If you didn't get all of the reps on the fifth week then repeat the cycle with the same weight. You shouldn't need more than one minute rest between the warm up sets and you shouldn't need more than one minute thirty seconds between the work sets.
  • AlongCame_Molly
    AlongCame_Molly Posts: 2,835 Member
    Thanks, Sara. I still feel a little bowled-over by all this new info, so I just try to take it all in stride and apply it as best I know how. I'll check in in another 2-3 months and see where that gets me.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Locking.

    Please PM Sara or myself if you have more information to add to the thread.
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