a few more basic questions

Can anyone recommend some good breakfast ideas besides eggs? I'm really not a fan of veggies with omelets, so that limits me. I know we are allowed bacon and sausage ( I love turkey sausage), but there is no way I can possibly afford to make homemade sausage, and I know the nitrates in Jimmy Dean or the frozen ones are no good. However, is it THAT bad? Can the bacon be regular old grocery store bacon? This is a problem I fear I will run into a lot on this program. I've always made it a point to have lots of fruits and veggies on hand, but I can't stretch the budget to include all of the grain fed meats, butters, and dairy. I'm actually not even sure where to buy the butters and dairy.

Is the coconut milk the regular SILK brand in the store, or does that need to be bought at a health food store as well? The same with almond butter....can that be the Almond Naturally More found in the regular store?

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  • PitBullMom_Liz
    PitBullMom_Liz Posts: 339 Member
    Don't forget that breakfast doesn't have to equal traditional breakfast foods. This morning for breakfast I had a hamburger (no bun of course) and sweet potato.

    Bacon is up to you - I started a Whole 30 today so regular bacon is off limits due to nitrites/nitrates/added sugar. Before this though, I was eating it. Do the best you can and you'll be miles ahead of the SAD eaters!

    For coconut milk, you want the stuff that's in a can. The carton stuff is completely watered down and overpriced.
  • ahviendha
    ahviendha Posts: 1,291 Member
    first, relax! not many people dive into eating fully primal right off the bat. decide what fits in your budget, what you enjoy eating, and then try to improve upon that.

    i for one can't afford the high quality meat all the time, but i do my best, getting organic when i can.

    leftovers are a great option for breakfast, just this morning i had some turkey meat, mixing in with an egg, some avocado and leftover baked sweet potato. search primal breakfast on google if you want full recipes.

    next, prioritize! for example i eat lot of bacon, so i spend money on the good stuff, shipped in from a local farmer from grassfedbeef.org. sometimes you can get friends or family to go in on a big shipment of meat, and get free shipping if you order enough. i for one can't find grass fed unsalted butter at my grocery store, so i get unsalted organic, and the salted kerrygold if i really want it (3.99 for half a pound though!)

    you'll have to look carefully at labels, talk with your butchers, and do some research.

    also if you're primal/paleo, learn to love your veggies! they will bulk up all your meals and get you the vitamins you need. start small, and add in more as your palate becomes adjusted.

    get whatever coconut milk you want, but you can check reviews online to see what people think tastes best/best for the price. almond butter, get whatever you want. i like maranatha no stir.
  • strychnine7
    strychnine7 Posts: 210 Member
    I eat the standard store bought bacon a lot. Hormel Black Label Maple is the best tasting bacon I know of, for instance. For almond butter, I love Barney Butter brand, which, aside from their new "Bare Butter" variety, is not particularly paleo (contains evaporated cane juice).

    So yeah.... You don't have to be absolutely flawless in everything you consume. In the end, you have to choose how much being healthy makes you happy, versus how much eating the not-necessarily-healthy-but-good-tasting food makes you happy. At some point you come to equilibrium between the two and that decides how strict or not you are.
  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Posts: 923 Member
    We hiave very little disposable in come right now and I simply cannot affort the organic meats. If I see them on sale I get them. Otherwise I buy regular stuff from the grocery store. It is simply the best I can do for now. It worked for me last week. I have not seen weight loss yet this week, but the week is still new.
  • brenbrenm
    brenbrenm Posts: 81
    So yeah.... You don't have to be absolutely flawless in everything you consume. In the end, you have to choose how much being healthy makes you happy, versus how much eating the not-necessarily-healthy-but-good-tasting food makes you happy. At some point you come to equilibrium between the two and that decides how strict or not you are.

    I agree with this completely. Even if I wanted to go full force into this, like I said, I couldn't afford it by a long shot! Even if I eat all regular grocery store items, but stay away from all of the processed foods and grains (except for the sausage and bacon), I figure I'm still WAY better than I was. I'm sure there will also be special occasions where I eat not so healthy stuff as well. What I'd love to do is buy a cow and pig, but again the initial cost is quite high on that! Does anyone eat regular old frozen store bought sausage?

    Also, has anyone that has been following this for awhile had their cholesterol checked-lol? I'm very curious.
  • strychnine7
    strychnine7 Posts: 210 Member
    I have a package of Jimmy Dean Original sausage in the freezer. It's been there a while but only because I just don't eat a lot of sausage. One day, I'm sure I'll pull it out, thaw it, cook the whole damn thing and eat it.

    I had blood work done, for the first time in my life, in August 2011 when I had been Paleo for a bit over a year and was still somewhere around 220lbs. I don't remember the specific numbers but my LDL was a single point over the "high" mark but given my age (then, 27) and weight (again, 220ish, 6ft tall) that was considered "OK", as my doctor annotated the paper. My HDL was several points higher than "good" and I think my triglycerides were in the low 80's, which is really good, I'm told. I plan on making another appointment this summer so I'll actually have something to compare to..
  • MikeFlyMike
    MikeFlyMike Posts: 639 Member
    I have a package of Jimmy Dean Original sausage in the freezer. It's been there a while but only because I just don't eat a lot of sausage. One day, I'm sure I'll pull it out, thaw it, cook the whole damn thing and eat it.

    I had blood work done, for the first time in my life, in August 2011 when I had been Paleo for a bit over a year and was still somewhere around 220lbs. I don't remember the specific numbers but my LDL was a single point over the "high" mark but given my age (then, 27) and weight (again, 220ish, 6ft tall) that was considered "OK", as my doctor annotated the paper. My HDL was several points higher than "good" and I think my triglycerides were in the low 80's, which is really good, I'm told. I plan on making another appointment this summer so I'll actually have something to compare to..

    Its important to also look at your ratios and your vldl and ldl patterns. So.. that being said, with good trigs and good hdl, a high ldl may indicate large fluffy ldl (which is good) rather than oxidized small ldl (which is indeed bad). WHICH is probably exactly why your doc didn't care. Some docs will see an ldl 1 point over and write lipitor for you :(
  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Posts: 923 Member
    I am getting mine done in the first week of june. I have blood work doen often since I am a diabetic. I will post any changes.
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    A few thoughts in response to your questions....
    Can anyone recommend some good breakfast ideas besides eggs?
    As mentioned by others, 'breakfast foods' is a cultural expectation - a Chinese breakfast looks nothing like a western breakfast. Eat whatever suits you - meats, veg, leftovers, whatever.
    I'm really not a fan of veggies with omelets, so that limits me.
    While I'm not criticizing your likes/dislikes, I would encourage you to open your mind and reconsider your biases. Since a hunter/gatherer lifestyle (paleo and primal) is the consumption of plants, animals and limited fruits and nuts, one must be open to a large diversity of all these things. I, like you, was very limiting in the number of veggies I thought I liked - but I forced myself to expand my horizons, and now I shovel down veggies that in the old days would have gone straight from grocery bag to disposal. ;)
    I know we are allowed bacon and sausage ( I love turkey sausage), but there is no way I can possibly afford to make homemade sausage, and I know the nitrates in Jimmy Dean or the frozen ones are no good. However, is it THAT bad?
    Sausage is not hard to make (bulk, not link) - if you can afford ground pork, you can make sausage. All you add is salt and a variety of spices, most of which are probably already in your pantry. Recipes abound on the net!

    The main thing bad about commercial sausage is that you have no idea what is being ground up and put into it.
    Can the bacon be regular old grocery store bacon?
    Depends. 'Uncured' bacon is not nitrate-free - the nitrates just come from a natural source rather than the chemist. If it stays pink when you cook it - it's got nitrates. Buy a quality product, but use it with reason, because of the omega 6 factor (see above).

    Personally, I order the pork belly (or side pork) from the butcher. These are the cuts that bacon comes from. Although you have to order 10-15 lbs, the price per pound is a lot lower than processed bacon. I have them slice it, then I divvy it up into half-pound portions, baggie it and freeze it. When I cook it, I hit it with enough Lawry's Seasoning salt to suit my palate, and cook until crisp. While it is brown instead of pink - it still tastes like bacon, And best off - no nitrates at all.
    I can't stretch the budget to include all of the grain fed meats, butters, and dairy. I'm actually not even sure where to buy the butters and dairy.
    Don't know where you live, but if there is a Trader Joe in the area, they are your lifeboat.

    - most of the difference between grain-fed and grass-fed meat resides in the fat (omega3:6 ratios). If you buy grain-fed meat, buy the leanest cuts you can, trim off the fat, and cook it in a high-omega 3 oil (coconut oil or olive oil).

    - just about everyone carries Kerry Gold butter. It is is from Ireland, from pastured cows. While it is not certified organic, it IS pastured.

    - minimize dairy, and consider using goat and sheep dairy. Both are grazers instead of feedlot, so their products are usually pastured.
    Is the coconut milk the regular SILK brand in the store, or does that need to be bought at a health food store as well?
    Silk (and others) are NOT 'coconut milk' - they are coconut milk BEVERAGE (look closely at the label). Real coconut milk is in a can, and is either regular or low fat. The 'ethnic foods' aisle of the market will have it under 'asian foods'.

    I wish you good fortunes on your journey - it will provide many benefits! :)
  • brenbrenm
    brenbrenm Posts: 81
    Thank you, MonkeyDharma! I am easing into this VERY slowly. So slowly that my only change for this week is to follow WW and eliminate any nonsense snacking. No nibbling on chips, cake, ice cream, etc...just because it is here. I am only allowing it as a special treat. Ex: going out for an ice cream cone with family, birthday cake at party or cookout. Next week, I will eliminate those snacks as well, except for family vacations. I have a whole mini step system planned out! I will eventually get to all of the natural meats and grain fed butters, but for now I will take it one step at a time!
  • knittnponder
    knittnponder Posts: 1,953 Member
    I love eggs but not for breakfast. In fact, breakfast is a hard one for me to get myself to eat most days. I have found that for me a smoothie works really well. I can blend up some vegetables and fruit, coconut oil, flax and whatever else I want into a tasty drink and just sip on it. I get LOTS of greens this way and I don't have to face an egg first thing in the morning. :)
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    In fact, breakfast is a hard one for me to get myself to eat most days.
    A good point.

    If eating when you awaken is not suitable - don't do it! One of the hallmarks of a hunter/gatherer foodstyle is: eat when you're hungry. Eating when the clock tells you to - when the culture around you says you are supposed to - teaches you to ignore hunger signals, and down that path lies obesity.

    Personally, I seldom eat breakfast when I get up. I generally have just my coffee and vitamins, and eat about an hour or two later, when my appetite finally wakes up. ;)
  • brenbrenm
    brenbrenm Posts: 81
    Personally, I order the pork belly (or side pork) from the butcher. These are the cuts that bacon comes from. Although you have to order 10-15 lbs, the price per pound is a lot lower than processed bacon. I have them slice it, then I divvy it up into half-pound portions, baggie it and freeze it. When I cook it, I hit it with enough Lawry's Seasoning salt to suit my palate, and cook until crisp. While it is brown instead of pink - it still tastes like bacon, And best off - no nitrates at all.

    Does $5.69/lb sound about right to you?
  • TS65
    TS65 Posts: 1,024 Member
    I only eat breakfast on the weekends (and even then it tends to be a brunch). Bacon is ALWAYS a part of that. I use Hormel - they have "natural" bacon, ham, sausage which is nitrate free with no preservatives. It is in the regular section and comes wrapped in a cardboard-ish wrapper.
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    Personally, I order the pork belly (or side pork) from the butcher. These are the cuts that bacon comes from. Although you have to order 10-15 lbs, the price per pound is a lot lower than processed bacon. I have them slice it, then I divvy it up into half-pound portions, baggie it and freeze it. When I cook it, I hit it with enough Lawry's Seasoning salt to suit my palate, and cook until crisp. While it is brown instead of pink - it still tastes like bacon, And best off - no nitrates at all.

    Does $5.69/lb sound about right to you?
    I think I pay $2.50/lb and another $.50/lb to have it sliced. Or maybe it was $3.00/3.50 - senility keeps tapping me on the shoulder. :) Prices may vary around the country; I'd also ask the meat counter at your supermarket as opposed to a butcher - there might be less markup.
  • BlondeQtTexas
    BlondeQtTexas Posts: 97 Member
    You can get nitrate free bacon and sausage at most grocery stores and super Targets.

    Sometimes I will make Paleo Scotch eggs. They are soooo yummy and you can eat them hot or cold. Make a batch on the weekend and enjoy them all week. They do not cost much. They are also delicious dipped in a little yellow mustard.

    There are several recipes out there.

    http://www.modernpaleowarfare.com/2011/11/scotch-eggs-aka-narcissus-meatballs.html

    http://www.theclothesmakethegirl.com/2010/05/17/scotch-eggs-a-k-a-protein-pellets/

    Another easy idea is a crustless quiche. I made them often. They are wonderful. You can put anything in them from bacon, sausage to asparagus. These also make several breakfast - or even dinner with a salad - making it very cost effective as well.
  • BlondeQtTexas
    BlondeQtTexas Posts: 97 Member
    Thank you, MonkeyDharma! I am easing into this VERY slowly. So slowly that my only change for this week is to follow WW and eliminate any nonsense snacking. No nibbling on chips, cake, ice cream, etc...just because it is here. I am only allowing it as a special treat. Ex: going out for an ice cream cone with family, birthday cake at party or cookout. Next week, I will eliminate those snacks as well, except for family vacations. I have a whole mini step system planned out! I will eventually get to all of the natural meats and grain fed butters, but for now I will take it one step at a time!

    Have you tried roasted kale chips instead of chips. OMG, they are so delicious with the crunch of a chip and you can season them with whatever you like. I like a little garlic powder and paprika on mine and a little tiny tad of sea salt. Sooo good and good for you!

    http://www.kalechips.com/
  • brenbrenm
    brenbrenm Posts: 81
    After standing in the bacon section of Weis for an embarassing long time, I found Coleman Natural Bacon. It was 6.99 for 6 servings. It has no nitrates or nitrites, antibiotic free, and vegetarian fed. It does contain brown sugar and lactic acid. This was the best one I could find. There's just no way I can fork out $80 at once for just bacon! Hubby would kill me!
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    You can get nitrate free bacon and sausage at most grocery stores and super Targets.

    I'll have to repeat: uncured is NOT the same as 'nitrate free'. Check the ingredient list; if there is celery powder , or kale powder or celery juice, then it has nitrates - it just comes from natural sources rather than from chemicals.

    Bottom line: if it is still pink after you cook it - it has nitrates.