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tachyon_master
tachyon_master Posts: 226 Member
I'm prepared to admit it now.

I've been chronically undereating given the amount of exercise I've been doing. Unintentionally at first. Then because it actually worked for me.

However, this morning, someone staged an intervention, a serious one, and has maybe made me sit up and realise just how bad the situation has gotten. To the point where they were threatening to have me committed for a psych evaluation and they were genuinely concerned about me literally passing out or worse at the gym. As in they were concerned to the point that they thought I was going to have some kind of organ failure, not just pass out from exhaustion. Apparently there's "some distinct smell" associated with extreme muscle failure or something along those lines, and the PT at the gym said it was definitely coming from me. Even though I felt fine, they probably do know about these things better than I do.

I admit my first reaction was "you don't know what the f*** you're talking about", but the reality is, they do. This person works at the gym and has a PhD in sport and exercise science. I'd like to be able to write them off, but I kind of can't.

At any rate, this has made me realise just how bad I've let my situation become. I need to explain things first, and then I'll get to the problems.

I started out 16 months ago on this journey. It was always about improving my cardio fitness, not about weight loss - believe it or not. Somewhere along the way that changed. My cardio was fine, I was fit and healthy and everything was great. Then it became about "oh, I just want to lose a few more kg" (I work in metric in Australia, you'll have to forgive me). I started out at just under 64kg (which is roughly 141 lbs). Then I got to 50kg, and it became "oh, just a couple more kg and I'll be fine". Which became "oh, 45kg? Yeah, just a couple more kg." Which has effectively lead to me now weighing ~35kg (less than 78 lbs).

I'd genuinely convinced myself that this was perfectly fine because I was training, and I was fit! It wasn't like I was starving myself or anything, right? Except now I've realised that that's effectively what I had been doing. While I ate back my "weight loss" or "maintenance" calories (varied between 1200 for weight loss and 1350 now for maintenance), I wasn't really eating back any of my exercise calories. Or if I was, certainly not enough of them in order to stay healthy.

I'd convinced myself NOT to eat them back because I was taking my calorie output from the cardio equipment at the gym. Which as I understand it is notoriously unreliable in terms of calorie counts. So I figured if I ate back very little of it (if any), then I'd be safe and wouldn't be overestimating my calorie output. Stupid idea in hindsight, and it appears I'm now paying the consequences of that in terms of my health.

As an example, I would routinely burn over 2000-2500 calories a day (according to the gym equipment). On a good day I might eat back 500 calories worth of that so that on what should theoretically be my maintenance setup, I'd still only be eating 1850 a day. Obviously ridiculous in hindsight. But I'd convinced myself that as long as I was eating the minimum 1350 for maintenance, then I'd be ok.

But now I think it's epically messed with my head. After the intervention I got this morning, I made a promise to the PT at the gym (who staged the intervention out of serious concern for my health) do less cardio today and eat more. So for lunch, I went to the pub to try and unwind for an hour. And ordered a philly cheesesteak, fries and a beer. And you know the first thing I did? Figure out what I could eat for dinner tonight that would still bring me in under my maintenance calories. Seriously.

I know nearly everyone on this site is trying to lose weight. Honestly, I'm just trying to maintain. I don't want to lose any more weight. I really honestly don't. I know that I weigh too little. But by the same token, I'm actually happy with the way I look. I'm toned, have abs etc. I don't have protruding ribs or hip bones or anything that is more commonly associated with anorexia. And I don't think I'm bulemic, since I don't throw up what I eat or anything. I mean yes, I realise now I've been chronically undereating due to lack of eating back exercise calories, but I don't know where (or even if) that falls along the eating disorder spectrum as such.

Maybe I just need some advice. Or someone to kick my a**. I don't know. All I do know is that things have to change for me. I can't let them keep going the way they are.

I came to this group because I'm not really sure how to balance the eating and training, and what I should be even aiming for in terms of progress right now. The reality is, I'm actually ok with the amount of training I'm doing. I like the feeling of fitness that I have, and it is something that I need to maintain both for my job, and for my personal hobbies. So I don't really want to give that up :( I just don't know how to balance that with my eating anymore. Things were easy when all I wanted to do was lose weight.

Help.
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  • Graelwyn75
    Graelwyn75 Posts: 4,404 Member
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    Unless you are substantially below 5', you are really underweight and I would seek help, seriously, before you do damage that is irreparable, if you have not already. I almost died at the weight you are currently at, granted I am 5'10, but very few adults can safely weigh that little.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Hi

    Quick question at first. How tall are you?
  • tachyon_master
    tachyon_master Posts: 226 Member
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    I am 5'2". 32 years old. Female.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    I am 5'2". 32 years old. Female.

    Thank you.

    I do not want to be unhelpful here, but at the weight you are at, you really should see a doctor and should not be looking to maintain but to increase your weight - you are significantly underweight .

    You may have done some damage being at that weight and a doctor should check you out. Also, when upping calories, care needs to be taken on how it is done to ensure no additional damage is caused. This really needs a specialist.

    I would also strongly urge you to seek professional help. If you are that light at that height, you will have bones showing. The fact that you cannot see them concerns me that you also have body dysmorphia going on. In addition, while not an expert at all, you may very well have an EDNOS - in the form of non-purging bulimia (when someone exercises away the calories rather than purging them).

    I really do not want to be harsh or unhelpful here and wish you every success, but this is something best suited to people who are experts in the field...which myself and SideSteel are not.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
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    If you are uncertain about having an eating disorder, or recognize it, you can contact a a helpline that will assist you in identifing the best steps forward.

    I believe you are in Australia?

    Here is a link that might be helpful: http://www.eatingdisorders.org.au/services/the-eating-disorders-helpline
  • elleryjones
    elleryjones Posts: 88 Member
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    Hi. First of all, be proud that you're admitting that something may be wrong. I am a mental health therapist (in real life) and unfortunately, even though you're not able to recognize it yet, you are actually suffering from an eating disorder. There is such a thing as exercise bulimia http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-3480_162-5392441.html and it is quite dangerous, as others have pointed out.

    This is not something you can work yourself out of alone. It's not a matter of just going to the pub and having a hearty meal and it will all go away. This is a very complex psychological and physiological disorder and you need professional help immediately. You can die from this. Part of the disorder involves changing brain chemistry such that you don't see yourself in the mirror accurately and your judgement is impaired because of the prolonged lack of nutrients. I repeat. This is not something you can tackle on your own.

    The first visit should be to your GP for a full physical and workup. You want to ensure that your heart and other vital organs are not damaged and that you don't need to be in a hospital to get your body stable again. It is impossible for you to be able to assess this on your own. I had a client who insisted that he felt fine, up until the point that he was so weak he couldn't walk down the hallway and his heart rate was so low that he almost died.

    I'm not trying to scare you, but I truly want to impress upon you how serious this is. Please, please get help.

    And please let us know that you did.

    Feel free to pm me. I will be worrying about you.
  • craigmandu
    craigmandu Posts: 976 Member
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    I have to second the notion that you need to be evaluated by a physician. You could have been or are possibly causing alot of damage to internal organs through the constant very large calorie deficit you have created with too much exercise for the amount of food you consume on a daily basis.
  • Graelwyn75
    Graelwyn75 Posts: 4,404 Member
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    Hi. First of all, be proud that you're admitting that something may be wrong. I am a mental health therapist (in real life) and unfortunately, even though you're not able to recognize it yet, you are actually suffering from an eating disorder. There is such a thing as exercise bulimia http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-3480_162-5392441.html and it is quite dangerous, as others have pointed out.

    This is not something you can work yourself out of alone. It's not a matter of just going to the pub and having a hearty meal and it will all go away. This is a very complex psychological and physiological disorder and you need professional help immediately. You can die from this. Part of the disorder involves changing brain chemistry such that you don't see yourself in the mirror accurately and your judgement is impaired because of the prolonged lack of nutrients. I repeat. This is not something you can tackle on your own.

    The first visit should be to your GP for a full physical and workup. You want to ensure that your heart and other vital organs are not damaged and that you don't need to be in a hospital to get your body stable again. It is impossible for you to be able to assess this on your own. I had a client who insisted that he felt fine, up until the point that he was so weak he couldn't walk down the hallway and his heart rate was so low that he almost died.

    I'm not trying to scare you, but I truly want to impress upon you how serious this is. Please, please get help.

    And please let us know that you did.

    Feel free to pm me. I will be worrying about you.

    Perfectly said, and I 100% agree.
    Please seek help.
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
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    She has some photos posted on her profile that would look to be in the normal range. I'm guessing they do not reflect the current situation though.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/photos/view/26361965

    Good luck with your journey and I'd strongly advise getting a professional opinion. My ex-wife was bulemic and never really got it under control and it leeched into every other part of her life and had a large negative effect on our relationship.
  • tachyon_master
    tachyon_master Posts: 226 Member
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    Just to make the point...

    I took this today: 26361965_3831.jpg

    While I'm hardly going to deny I'm underweight, I don't think I look problematic.
  • craigmandu
    craigmandu Posts: 976 Member
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    Sweetie..you can't see the organs and vital characteristics of your body.

    I am very concerned as it appears to me from that photo that you are indeed at a dangerous level. You should really go and get checked out by a physician. You only see what is on the outside, not what is on the inside.

    I hope you seek some professional medical opinion as soon as possible.

    :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    Just to make the point...

    I took this today: 26361965_3831.jpg

    While I'm hardly going to deny I'm underweight, I don't think I look problematic.

    I think you look problematic and the fact that you don't see this indicates part of the problem. Please take the previous advice and get professional help immediately.
  • Graelwyn75
    Graelwyn75 Posts: 4,404 Member
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    Just to make the point...

    I took this today: 26361965_3831.jpg

    While I'm hardly going to deny I'm underweight, I don't think I look problematic.

    You look anorexic, and I speak out of experience of having been one myself, your face is gaunt, you have that haunted look so common among those with eating disorders, and you just look unwell. You are not seeing it as beyond a certain point, your brain chemistry alters as a result of the severe deficit in energy and it affects your perception, this is why it can be so hard to seek help...you cannot see the problem yourself.

    I implore you to get help, see a doctor, because you are seriously endangering your life, and you wont get another chance once that goes.
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
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    While I'm hardly going to deny I'm underweight, I don't think I look problematic.

    Darling, you're skin and bones. You look gaunt, not fit.

    I agree with you needing professional help, a nutritionist and definitely a medical checkup. You may "feel" fine, but please go make sure that you actually are fine because our feelings can betray us. I don't know what you're trying to do to your body but it's going to give out on you if you continue on the road you're on now. Please make an appointment with your doctor and get help. It's impossible to be physically fit without proper nutrition, and you look to not be getting any.
  • elleryjones
    elleryjones Posts: 88 Member
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    Just to make the point...

    I took this today: 26361965_3831.jpg

    While I'm hardly going to deny I'm underweight, I don't think I look problematic.

    Sweet Jesus. Please, please show this thread to someone in real life.

    This is not a game. We are not jealous. We are not (insert whatever justification comes to mind to rationalize everyone's concern). You. Can. Die. From. This.

    You had the courage to confess to virtual strangers that you're concerned about yourself. Please take the next step and call a family member, friend, someone, and tell them the same thing.

    My dear, you are seriously physically ill.

    Please, please go to a doctor. Today.
  • prattiger65
    prattiger65 Posts: 1,657 Member
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    Just in case all the others didn't get through to you, PLEASE get help TODAY!!!!!!!! You clearly are not thinking with a clear head. ................................................please get help. Please.
  • maruby95
    maruby95 Posts: 204 Member
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    ^^ I agree with everything that has been said above. You need professional help immediately.

    As someone who has been in your exact same situation, I understand how hard that will be for you. Although maybe you are starting to see the need for change? Even once you are ready to change, it will be hard work, and I agree with the above comment that it cannot be done without professional assistance. You need to be carefully monitored as you increase your calories.

    I am still on the recovery road myself, but if you want to, add me as a friend. I would be happy to encourage you or help you in any way I can.

    Peace and blessings.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Hi hun! At the risk of overwhelming you, I just want to reiterate what everyone else has said. Your weight most definitely is problematic. There is a difference between being very lean and dangerously underweight - you are the latter. You say you cannot see bones, but they are very visible and the fact you cannot see that speaks to psychological issues that only a professional can help with. You appear to have body dysmorphia where you are just not seeing it.

    Everyone here has commented as they are sincerely concerned about your well being.

    You made the first step to reach out which is a great thing. Unfortunately, this is something that needs the attention of a professional, both with regard to body image and with regard to ensuring that you raise calories and get to a healthy weight in an appropriate manner.

    As everyone else has done, I strongly urge you to get the help you need from the people who can help best. We will all be routing for you and want to support you, but the best way to support you at the moment is to encourage you to seek help from people who can help best.
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
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    Just to make the point...

    I took this today: 26361965_3831.jpg

    While I'm hardly going to deny I'm underweight, I don't think I look problematic.

    tach, the previous picture was what I would consider thin. This picture, if not problematic, is about 5 lbs away from causing you a bunch of trouble.

    Get some help, please. You might not think you need it but you do. It was noticable enough that people at your gym essentially staged an intervention with you.

    I watched my brother's girlfriend go through this very thing years ago. She would eat like a rabbit then go run 10 miles a day to burn off all the calories she thought she'd just ate. The police would regularly get calls of her being unconscious on the side of the road. She's lucky she didn't collapse in front of a car.

    Please, speak to someone. A medical professional if there is no family who you think would be properly supportive, but someone.
  • DaniH826
    DaniH826 Posts: 1,335 Member
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    What's more concerning is that this is something I'd expect a teenage girl to go through, not a 32-year-old professional who should know better.

    Put your big girl pants on, lady, and seek help. Come on. You've got this. You're a capable woman. There's nothing you can't do. I'm rooting for you! I've come out of anorexia and bulimia, and if I can do it, so can you! There's no shame in mental troubles getting the better of us, but once we know better, we have to take responsibility and fix what we can. And, you can still fix this. It's your body. Treat it properly, or it will pay you back in kind for all that abuse you're subjecting it to, and you don't want that.
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