Paper Credentials vs The Fitness Industry

SideSteel
SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
edited January 29 in Social Groups
Recently in the main forums, we had the pleasure of watching an apparently successful trainer humiliate herself repeatedly by:

a) Offering unsubstantiated claims and blatant broscience as advice, such as avoiding carbs at night. (LOL)
b) Repeatedly use ad-hominem attacks and her credentials to try and validate her faulty position on the matter.

And it reminded me of this wonderful piece by Alan Aragon.

Those of you not familiar with Alan's work, I highly recommend it.


Enjoy:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/11/18/paper-credentials-vs-the-fitness-industry/

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  • SuperSexyDork
    SuperSexyDork Posts: 1,669 Member
    Nice article! Thanks for the link.
  • vjohn04
    vjohn04 Posts: 2,276 Member
    :-)


    Thanks!


    ---The bacon eating Blizzard Queen
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    I agree with Alan that paper credentials are not a diagnostic of expertise, but I think the key is not experience in the fitness industry but rather the willingness and ability to educate yourself about your field of interest. All of the people that he lists as examples of non-credentialed authorities are good at educating themselves, and yes, a dash of charisma definitely helps (that bit is discussed in the comments).
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    His point about experience was a recommendation to get some of that experience before launching into a business of your own -- if I'm reading him correctly.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I linked that article on one of the threads that the pilates instructor who took some cooking classes derailed. She ignored it, along with anything else that did not support her lollable 'I know more than you' stance.

    If you have knowledge and/or experience and/or credentials worth anything related to the topic at hand, then you should be able to support your stance with facts and science and keep to the topic at hand rather than trying to shout loud enough to try to avoid actually supporting your claims.

    In my opinion, the most respected people in the 'industry' are those willing to back up their claims with logical and supportable positions. All the credentials in the world are not worth squat if you cannot do so.

    Also, if you are going to go shouting about your credentials making you right automatically, it is usually good to have them in the appropriate field.

    I mean, Dr Oz has some 'credentials'
  • bostonwolf
    bostonwolf Posts: 3,038 Member
    The only thing that irks me about Bill Phillips is the stunning amount of plastic surgery he has had. He looks like a completely different human being than he did when he was running MM2K
  • towens00
    towens00 Posts: 1,033 Member
    I was initially embarrassed for her......what a butt. Appreciate all you guys do to help us wade thru all the crap & misinformation out there. I'm 52 and still fighting to let go all the things hammered as truth my whole life. Who knew I could, skip "the most important meal of the day", lose 50lbs, & lift heavy things! Life is good :)
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member
    Easy for you to say. You've never taken a multiple-choice exam online, with no time limit, no proctoring, and a pamphlet that provides all the information needed to pass the exam.




    (I wonder how many times she had to take it before she passed).
  • BikerGirlElaine
    BikerGirlElaine Posts: 1,631 Member
    Easy for you to say. You've never taken a multiple-choice exam online, with no time limit, no proctoring, and a pamphlet that provides all the information needed to pass the exam.




    (I wonder how many times she had to take it before she passed).

    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    Easy for you to say. You've never taken a multiple-choice exam online, with no time limit, no proctoring, and a pamphlet that provides all the information needed to pass the exam.




    (I wonder how many times she had to take it before she passed).

    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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  • DragonSquatter
    DragonSquatter Posts: 957 Member
    Easy for you to say. You've never taken a multiple-choice exam online, with no time limit, no proctoring, and a pamphlet that provides all the information needed to pass the exam.




    (I wonder how many times she had to take it before she passed).

    ROFL
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    Easy for you to say. You've never taken a multiple-choice exam online, with no time limit, no proctoring, and a pamphlet that provides all the information needed to pass the exam.




    (I wonder how many times she had to take it before she passed).

    Haha! I actually took one of those "personal trainer" practice exams online once, and passed with something like 87%. My knowledge of fitness and nutrition is amateur level, so all this experience taught me is to not have much respect for most personal trainers. (Then again, most people are not good at their jobs, so it's not as if personal trainers are special.)
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    His point about experience was a recommendation to get some of that experience before launching into a business of your own -- if I'm reading him correctly.

    Oh, I agree. I am sure there are lots of useless classes one would take as part of a college program in sports medicine or whatever. But *just* experience will not make you a great trainer; there are some extra ingredients that go in the mix. Continuing education, ability to synthesize information, and ability to convey it clearly to non-specialists are all important.
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    Great read, thanks for sharing the article. Sarah linked me this thread a couple of days ago but I am only just now getting around to it.
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    His point about experience was a recommendation to get some of that experience before launching into a business of your own -- if I'm reading him correctly.

    Oh, I agree. I am sure there are lots of useless classes one would take as part of a college program in sports medicine or whatever. But *just* experience will not make you a great trainer; there are some extra ingredients that go in the mix. Continuing education, ability to synthesize information, and ability to convey it clearly to non-specialists are all important.

    This is something that seems to be lacking in a lot of self proclaimed experts also. One's education in a field should not end with the certification or credential. That should really be the beginning if one is to become proficient in what they've chosen to pursue. I have several credentials/certifications/whathavya for my job. Some of them I've had for several years and I instruct other people in the subjects in which I'm certified/credentialed. I didn't quit studying, researching and learning about those subjects as soon as I finished my first class in them and just point to my certificate and say "because I'm the fuucking esspert, b1tch! You should listen to me!" I also go to great lengths to make what I'm instructing as easy to understand as possible. Knowing more than everyone else isn't what makes one an effective instructor/trainer/whatever. Being able to make others understand what you are instructing is.

    /Early morning rambling.
  • Hendrix7
    Hendrix7 Posts: 1,903 Member
    As far as 1 on 1 personal training goes, the majority of the work is actually just encouragement and keeping people motivated.

    most of the stuff I read I would never need to use in a personal training environment.
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