Can this really help with high BP/cholesterol?
brenbrenm
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My husband just got back from his annual physical today, and as suspected, his cholesterol and bp were quite high. The doc just told him to go back on his diet (he was never on one), lose 10 lbs, and come back in 6 months. He loves food and loves to eat ALOT of it! Me harping at him does nothing. He does love his meat, and I have been trying to suggest this way of eating to him, but he knows NOTHING about nutrition whatsoever. Does this plan really help to lower cholesterol and bp? If so, what would be a REALLY simple way to get him to start implementing it? He will NEVER fully embrace any type of diet. I would think just cutting out the processed crap and getting lean cuts of meat (which I do already)? I'm afraid to tell him to eat bacon and eggs every day for breakfast, because you hear SUCH conflicting reviews! I have found PALEO to make me feel WAY better, although I follow it somewhat loosely. Any input would be great. I am concerned for him!
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YES, Paleo will resolve high BP/cholesterol issues. I hope someone that has recorded their numbers responds to you, and quite a few members have posted their results from time to time. I did not record my numbers due to the isolated community that i live in and having much hate towards our "health" care professionals. It's very dangerous to go to the local Health Centre, so I don't go.
Instead of worrying about conflicting advice, get him to try eating Paleo, but don't call it that. Tell him he'll be a "Meatatarian". I'm pretty sure the benefits of a high fat diet without grains/legumes etc will win him over if he just commits for 30 days.
There is NO danger from this lifestyle. Honestly. I have resolved so many health issues and that would NEVER have happened if this lifestyle is not healthy and biologically appropriate (and I do a ketogenic form of Paleo).0 -
I know he won't completely give up the grains, but if I can get him to limit them, I think it would help. Are there any adaptations anyone would suggest? EX: avoiding much red meat, limiting egs, avoiding organic butter even, etc...0
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I know he won't completely give up the grains, but if I can get him to limit them, I think it would help. Are there any adaptations anyone would suggest? EX: avoiding much red meat, limiting egs, avoiding organic butter even, etc...
We have been lied to about cholesterol. If anything, he needs MORE red meat (grass fed or wild), eggs, butter. Those things do NOT cause "bad" cholesterol (cholesterol testing has been over-simplified in the past-there are many different types. Triglycerides and small, dense cholesterol particles are of concern.), grains and sugar do. Throw in some extra virgin coconut oil too.
It is my opinion that he will not get well if he does not give up grain, sugars, vegetable oils, soy, and processed foods in general. Period. He could try it for just one month to see how he feels. "Limiting" will not give the same results because the body must actually be absent of all grains etc for a length of time in order to heal. The Paleo lifestyle needs full adherence at first in order to heal the health problems. After one is healed, 80/20 works well for many people.
I don't know about him, but my health is worth more than a piece of bread. If he refuses to want to change, just accept it. Give him the info (give him some resources from some Paleo experts-there are many) and then let him figure it out. Model the lifestyle to him. If you are amazingly healthy and happy maybe he will eventually want to be that way too.0 -
^^^^^ This.
In my experience, he won't get the benefit of paleo/primal eating unless he completely eliminates grains, sugar, and chemicals (artificial sweeteners, colors, flavors and preservatives).
I know the frustration; my dh has no problem in his own mind with "just a little gluten" like you might find in Junior Mints or a few sips of beer or a salad that has croutons if he takes the croutons out. He refuses to consider that such a seemingly little thing has a significant effect. The rest of us can see it -- gluten affects his nervous system and one of the symptoms is that he's irritable, nasty and even irrational. He can't see it (because his brain is affected) -- but others can.
I'm eating paleo/primal because of joint pain. I have found through experience that if I stray, I pay. Knowing that a good three days of pain will follow a sugary or grain-containing treat, it's a lot easier to resist temptation.
Blood pressure is more abstract. Harder to be motivated. He has to want it for himself or he won't see a reason to stay with it. I don't know -- could he be persuaded to read Primal Blueprint, or maybe just some of the testimonials at marksdailyapple.com?
This is especially close to my heart because a beloved brother in law is just falling apart physically. His body is failing -- he nearly lost a leg a few months ago due to diabetic complications -- but he puts no stock in the idea of paleo/primal eating...0 -
Well, there goes that idea. He will never, never, NEVER give up all grains completely. If he were to jump right in at an 80/20ish ratio, would he not benefit at all? I would think just the giving up or at least greatly reducing of the processed junk would be helpful for just about anything. When I started eating mostly Paleo, I wasn't really concerned, because my BP and cholesterol were very good to begin with. I'm just very sugar sensitive, and diabetes runs in my family, so I found that if I save any non-Paleo foods until much later in the day, I am fine. EVERY single website I go on to find best ways to lower cholesterol and BP says to cut out red meats, butter, eggs, etc.... EVERY single one! I'm so afraid to tell him to go against that. Now, it kind of sounds like if he doesn't get himself completely grain free while doing this, he very well may not benefit?0
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I had high blood pressure before starting paleo in May. My BP averaged around 135/85. Within a week my BP had dropped down to normal ranges and stayed that way. After 5 weeks I started slacking, I added in dairy and chemicals and my BP went right back up, even without eating grains regularly. I am on day 7 of my first whole30 now and my BP was 106/69 yesterday. My husband never had high BP but since going paleo his has gone from averaging about 110/70 to around 100/65, so it without a doubt lowers BP. Also, my pulse used to stay over 100 and has dropped down to the 70's.0
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Well, there goes that idea. He will never, never, NEVER give up all grains completely. If he were to jump right in at an 80/20ish ratio, would he not benefit at all? I would think just the giving up or at least greatly reducing of the processed junk would be helpful for just about anything. When I started eating mostly Paleo, I wasn't really concerned, because my BP and cholesterol were very good to begin with. I'm just very sugar sensitive, and diabetes runs in my family, so I found that if I save any non-Paleo foods until much later in the day, I am fine. EVERY single website I go on to find best ways to lower cholesterol and BP says to cut out red meats, butter, eggs, etc.... EVERY single one! I'm so afraid to tell him to go against that. Now, it kind of sounds like if he doesn't get himself completely grain free while doing this, he very well may not benefit?
Of course eating less junk will help, but it probably won't resolve the health problems especially when you are buying into the low fat nonsense. Seriously, you need to get away from those sites that bash red meat, eggs, butter etc (government health sites are NOT correct) and focus on Paleo sites. There are many doctors/experts who support Paleo-stick to those sites. Are you knowledgeable with reading scientific studies? Cuz if you are you can easily start reading the ones that were used to support the current misinformation about what a healthy diet is and see the flaws. There is much scientific research that supports Paleo, not just nutritional research but anthropological as well. Another thing to note about nutritional research: many, many of the studies, especially in the last 50 years, are funded by the processed food industry. Do you think they are unbiased? That's why Cheerios and Becel are supposedly "heart healthy". NOT.
Your husband will get sicker by reducing meat, eggs, fats. Because then he will eat more grains and sugar and a low fat diet is detrimental to health. We've been lied to. Being Paleo, I'm surprised that you haven't found convincing evidence to support this lifestyle already.
Again: best thing, MODEL the Paleo lifestyle. Try going 100% Paleo (or close to it). When he sees the results he may come to it on his own. (Have you ever committed to Paleo 100% for at least 30 days? I'm doing my first Whole30 right now. It's awesome!)
However, the thing that drives me crazy is when someone only "limits' things, thinks they are eating Paleo, but when they don't get the results they expect they say "Paleo doesn't work". I have family who are now doing that and it ticks me right off. It makes me wish I hadn't tried to help them at all. Paleo cannot be part time or there will be little to no benefits.0 -
Meh. I do believe 100% paleo is best however I do believe even 80/20 will help resolve his issues. Weight loss in any way will help lower BP. Triglyericides and "bad cholesterol" will be lowered by paleo (even at 80%) and "good cholesterol" will be raised. I am about 80/20 and my numbers have improved. As well, the better he feels the more open he will be to the changes. Don't give up hope just because he will not be willing to jump in at 100%. Start by adding veggies and movement, include lots of grass fed (if possible) meat and limit processed food and grains as much as possible. See what happens.0
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My husband just got back from his annual physical today, and as suspected, his cholesterol and bp were quite high. The doc just told him to go back on his diet (he was never on one), lose 10 lbs, and come back in 6 months. He loves food and loves to eat ALOT of it! Me harping at him does nothing. He does love his meat, and I have been trying to suggest this way of eating to him, but he knows NOTHING about nutrition whatsoever. Does this plan really help to lower cholesterol and bp? If so, what would be a REALLY simple way to get him to start implementing it? He will NEVER fully embrace any type of diet. I would think just cutting out the processed crap and getting lean cuts of meat (which I do already)? I'm afraid to tell him to eat bacon and eggs every day for breakfast, because you hear SUCH conflicting reviews! I have found PALEO to make me feel WAY better, although I follow it somewhat loosely. Any input would be great. I am concerned for him!
Okay, here's (hopefully) a more constructive answer.
The way I get my dh to stick to a gluten-free diet is to fix all his meals for him, and keep the foods he shouldn't eat out of the house. My kitchen is completely gluten free, even though one of my teens is not. (She is not allowed to bring gluten home, but of course she can buy it and eat it away from home if she really wants.)
I make him breakfast every morning. Bacon and eggs is a good (and healthy -- especially if you can get nitrate-free bacon and free-range eggs) breakfast. So is steak, or a grilled or fried pork chop. You can make paleo "granola" and serve it with cream or coconut milk or almond milk (my dh gets his with 1/2-n-1/2, not sure how primal that is, but the higher the fat, the more protection his gut has against casein, the milk protein similar to gluten). Avoid juice, but offer a side of fresh fruit. Berries and cream, or cut up grapefruit, or orange sections are some possibilities. Not too much fruit -- it can raise triglycerides, but a little can go a long way. (I eat salad along with my breakfast, when I eat breakfast, which is pretty rare these days as I don't seem to need to eat until later in the day. I figure that might seem too "weird" to someone just starting out.)
I pack him a hearty, healthy lunch, usually dinner leftovers. An example might be a slice of meatloaf left over from dinner (To ground beef, I add shredded carrots and/or almond meal instead of bread, along with an egg for binder and my usual meatloaf spices), plus a salad or leftover veggies, plus something desserty -- again, most likely a piece of fruit or a paleo bar (lots of recipes online). I can't control what he eats when he's away from home, but if I pack him food that he likes, he's less likely to hit the vending machines.
I keep a couple of gluten-free, primal-friendly frozen dinners on hand for when the teens eat all the dinner, or if for some reason we didn't have dinner some night (like coming home from camping), and pack one of those in his lunch along with the standard snacks or desserty food that I'd pack with a homemade entree.
I (or one of my teens) cook a paleo-friendly dinner. I add in rice or gluten-free pasta or potatoes for my non-paleo family members, all of whom have high metabolisms and need a lot of extra calories so they don't lose weight. (Wish I had that problem. No, wait, nowadays I wouldn't want that because I'm full all the time and would have trouble trying to cram in more calories than I'm eating now.) I always cook extra portions and pack dh's lunch before serving dinner so my ravenous teens won't eat everything up in second or third helpings. There are a lot of yummy recipes online. They pretty much center around meat, fish, or poultry surrounded by vegetables. Since I started eating paleo/primal, my dh has really enjoyed that we're eating more meat.
I keep friendly snacks handy in case he gets hungry, like mixed raw nuts or cut up veggies with homemade ranch. I make my own mayo with olive oil, in order to avoid soy and canola oil. Once a month I buy dh one of Trader Joe's one-pound bittersweet chocolate bars with almonds. He can break off a piece or three when his sweet tooth kicks in, but it's closer to paleo/primal and also takes less to satisfy than his previous preference of milk chocolate.
Fat bombs are something I'm looking into for snacks, not just for dh but for my teens who struggle to keep weight on. I think my dh would enjoy some of these made with coconut oil or butter, cocoa powder, and honey. Maybe add some almond meal in, but then I couldn't eat them so I might have to make two different batches.
All this cooking doesn't take as much time as you'd think. I use the "hour in the kitchen" suggestions from the book Well Fed -- using an hour or so after getting home from shopping to soak, chop, and spin-dry greens; chop onions; shred carrots; saute ground beef with garlic and onion; slice celery into sticks -- it makes the next four days of meal prep much easier. I can get dinner on the table in 30 minutes or less, or while cooking breakfast I can throw a crockpot dinner together and then have almost no dinner prep in the evening. If I sound super-organized, well, I'm not. I'm a messy packrat who is in the middle of dejunking and reforming my bad old ways. It took a little bit of time to reorganize the way I cook, but it's a wonderful labor-and-time saving thing in my life now, and our teens can easily take over dinner prep if I can't manage for some reason.
I can't control another person, but I can make things a lot easier for him.
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Okay, here's (hopefully) a more constructive answer.
The way I get my dh to stick to a gluten-free diet is to fix all his meals for him, and keep the foods he shouldn't eat out of the house. My kitchen is completely gluten free, even though one of my teens is not. (She is not allowed to bring gluten home, but of course she can buy it and eat it away from home if she really wants.)
I make him breakfast every morning. Bacon and eggs is a good (and healthy -- especially if you can get nitrate-free bacon and free-range eggs) breakfast. So is steak, or a grilled or fried pork chop. You can make paleo "granola" and serve it with cream or coconut milk or almond milk (my dh gets his with 1/2-n-1/2, not sure how primal that is, but the higher the fat, the more protection his gut has against casein, the milk protein similar to gluten). Avoid juice, but offer a side of fresh fruit. Berries and cream, or cut up grapefruit, or orange sections are some possibilities. Not too much fruit -- it can raise triglycerides, but a little can go a long way. (I eat salad along with my breakfast, when I eat breakfast, which is pretty rare these days as I don't seem to need to eat until later in the day. I figure that might seem too "weird" to someone just starting out.)
I pack him a hearty, healthy lunch, usually dinner leftovers. An example might be a slice of meatloaf left over from dinner (To ground beef, I add shredded carrots and/or almond meal instead of bread, along with an egg for binder and my usual meatloaf spices), plus a salad or leftover veggies, plus something desserty -- again, most likely a piece of fruit or a paleo bar (lots of recipes online). I can't control what he eats when he's away from home, but if I pack him food that he likes, he's less likely to hit the vending machines.
I keep a couple of gluten-free, primal-friendly frozen dinners on hand for when the teens eat all the dinner, or if for some reason we didn't have dinner some night (like coming home from camping), and pack one of those in his lunch along with the standard snacks or desserty food that I'd pack with a homemade entree.
I (or one of my teens) cook a paleo-friendly dinner. I add in rice or gluten-free pasta or potatoes for my non-paleo family members, all of whom have high metabolisms and need a lot of extra calories so they don't lose weight. (Wish I had that problem. No, wait, nowadays I wouldn't want that because I'm full all the time and would have trouble trying to cram in more calories than I'm eating now.) I always cook extra portions and pack dh's lunch before serving dinner so my ravenous teens won't eat everything up in second or third helpings. There are a lot of yummy recipes online. They pretty much center around meat, fish, or poultry surrounded by vegetables. Since I started eating paleo/primal, my dh has really enjoyed that we're eating more meat.
I keep friendly snacks handy in case he gets hungry, like mixed raw nuts or cut up veggies with homemade ranch. I make my own mayo with olive oil, in order to avoid soy and canola oil. Once a month I buy dh one of Trader Joe's one-pound bittersweet chocolate bars with almonds. He can break off a piece or three when his sweet tooth kicks in, but it's closer to paleo/primal and also takes less to satisfy than his previous preference of milk chocolate.
Fat bombs are something I'm looking into for snacks, not just for dh but for my teens who struggle to keep weight on. I think my dh would enjoy some of these made with coconut oil or butter, cocoa powder, and honey. Maybe add some almond meal in, but then I couldn't eat them so I might have to make two different batches.
All this cooking doesn't take as much time as you'd think. I use the "hour in the kitchen" suggestions from the book Well Fed -- using an hour or so after getting home from shopping to soak, chop, and spin-dry greens; chop onions; shred carrots; saute ground beef with garlic and onion; slice celery into sticks -- it makes the next four days of meal prep much easier. I can get dinner on the table in 30 minutes or less, or while cooking breakfast I can throw a crockpot dinner together and then have almost no dinner prep in the evening. If I sound super-organized, well, I'm not. I'm a messy packrat who is in the middle of dejunking and reforming my bad old ways. It took a little bit of time to reorganize the way I cook, but it's a wonderful labor-and-time saving thing in my life now, and our teens can easily take over dinner prep if I can't manage for some reason.
I can't control another person, but I can make things a lot easier for him.
Hope this helps.
what a great reply, and what a great wife you are. I wish someone would do all that for Me!0 -
My husband just got back from his annual physical today, and as suspected, his cholesterol and bp were quite high. The doc just told him to go back on his diet (he was never on one), lose 10 lbs, and come back in 6 months. He loves food and loves to eat ALOT of it! Me harping at him does nothing. He does love his meat, and I have been trying to suggest this way of eating to him, but he knows NOTHING about nutrition whatsoever. Does this plan really help to lower cholesterol and bp? If so, what would be a REALLY simple way to get him to start implementing it? He will NEVER fully embrace any type of diet. I would think just cutting out the processed crap and getting lean cuts of meat (which I do already)? I'm afraid to tell him to eat bacon and eggs every day for breakfast, because you hear SUCH conflicting reviews! I have found PALEO to make me feel WAY better, although I follow it somewhat loosely. Any input would be great. I am concerned for him!
In Nov, 2011 I had a health screening with the following results
Age 44
Height 5'8"
Weight 218
BP 151/100
Cholesterol 283
HDL 24
Fasting Glucose 135
In other words, I was suffering from what is called metabolic disorder - obese, hypertensive, cholesterol through the roof, and borderline Type II diabetic.
I tried the standard recommendations, cut my calories and started doing cardio exercise. And by late February, as happens with nearly all people who use that solution to fix health issues, I had failed and quit. I turned 45 shortly afterwards and woke up on my birthday and realized that I really was obese and horribly unhealthy, that I didn't feel good at all on a daily basis, that I had bad emotional swings. I came to the conclusion that I was all set to live a much shorter life than I wanted to, and that I would really not feel good and healthy for that much shorter life.
The thing is, I know that my 3 previous attempts to lose weight and get fit had all failed. I was going to need to find something that would work. I started using my free time to do the research and pretty quickly stumbled on to Gary Taubes and Mark Sisson. I bought Taubes' books and read them cover to cover. Eye opening revelations about why I couldn't lose weight and why my diet plans always failed. The introduction to the concept of a primal approach to my life (Mark Sisson and Mark's Daily Apple) was also a revelation. Reminded me of, mostly, how I had lived from a fitness and exercise perspective, in my 20's.
In June I started a change in my nutrition based directly on Gary Taubes work and I added in the idea of walking and running most days of the week from a fitness perspective. By Nov, 2012 here's the changes:
Age 45
Height 5'8"
Weight 195
BP 110/70
Cholesterol 228
LDL 140
HDL 41
Cholesterol/HDL ratio 5.6
Fasting Glucose 107 (and should note that continues to improve)
In other words, I had moved from being obese and my doctor wanting to prescribe cholesterol, BP and diabetic medications to being overweight and my doctor saying that I was one of her few patients to fix these problems. She had planned on having me come in every 6 months, but changed that plan to every year based on these results and no medications prescribed.
Today I can easily run 2 miles in about 16 minutes, have completed Beach Body's Power90 and Insanity and the first half of Focus T25. Am now starting my Break-In workouts for New Rules of Lifting. I am anticipating that when I see my doctor in November, she will take me off her watch list entirely and I will go back to a normal structure for health screening and physicals.
I still have a ways to go to be fit and happy at the level I desire, but I am already in better shape than the typical 45 and over man in the US.
Here's what I did very specifically on the nutrition side of this. And please note that I am not "paleo" .... I pay attention to Gary Taubes, Mark Sisson, Dave Asprey, Lou Shuler and a few others, because I think they are really smart about how nutrition, fitness and exercise work. I am very convinced that wheat, corn, and other grain/starch foods are horrific for humans to consume. The USDA recommended diet is a great one for cattle in an industrial feed lot being fattened for slaughter, awful for us.
- I have eliminated all wheat, corn, rye, barley based food products, including all bread, pancakes, waffles, rolls, bagels, etc. Anything that is made from refined grains, in other words. And I don't substitute "paleo" things, like that paleo bread stuff. I prefer to simply not eat bread.
- I have greatly increased my intake of grassfed beef, salmon, free range chicken eggs, grassfed butter and heavy cream, bacon, olive oil and coconut oil. These are the staples of my diet now, actually. I am fortunate enough to have a wife who loves raising chickens, so I get eggs from a very natural source, completely free range, etc. Technically not organic because we use fertilizer on our lawn. Ooops
- I have made green, leafy veggies the supporting food in my diet. I eat a salad with olive oil and vinegar or a cup of broccoli with melted butter drizzled on it, to go along with the 8 oz of grilled flank steak that I'm having for dinner.
- My snacks are things like pistachios and almonds, beef jerky, that sort of thing.
- I don't deprive myself of things like dark chocolate and red wine. Or cigars, as you can see in my picture. I am firmly convinced that if I take every luxury out of my life, this change to my lifestyle will be a failure.
And finally, if the food is in a box I don't eat it. Nothing that contains sugar (no matter how disguised) or preservatives. Nothing that is labeled low fat.
Edit: I want to add that your husband can't view this as a diet change and be successful. For me, this was a complete lifestyle change. No more sitting on my *kitten* every second I could. No more eating and living an industrial life. No more being glued to the TV after dinner. I could go on and on. But the bottom line is that I changed my whole lifestyle, how I ate, drank, exercised, enjoyed my free time, books I read, people I interact with. I think that your husband will have to do the same.0 -
My husband just got back from his annual physical today, and as suspected, his cholesterol and bp were quite high. The doc just told him to go back on his diet (he was never on one), lose 10 lbs, and come back in 6 months. He loves food and loves to eat ALOT of it! Me harping at him does nothing. He does love his meat, and I have been trying to suggest this way of eating to him, but he knows NOTHING about nutrition whatsoever. Does this plan really help to lower cholesterol and bp? If so, what would be a REALLY simple way to get him to start implementing it? He will NEVER fully embrace any type of diet. I would think just cutting out the processed crap and getting lean cuts of meat (which I do already)? I'm afraid to tell him to eat bacon and eggs every day for breakfast, because you hear SUCH conflicting reviews! I have found PALEO to make me feel WAY better, although I follow it somewhat loosely. Any input would be great. I am concerned for him!
In Nov, 2011 I had a health screening with the following results
Age 44
Height 5'8"
Weight 218
BP 151/100
Cholesterol 283
HDL 24
Fasting Glucose 135
In other words, I was suffering from what is called metabolic disorder - obese, hypertensive, cholesterol through the roof, and borderline Type II diabetic.
I tried the standard recommendations, cut my calories and started doing cardio exercise. And by late February, as happens with nearly all people who use that solution to fix health issues, I had failed and quit. I turned 45 shortly afterwards and woke up on my birthday and realized that I really was obese and horribly unhealthy, that I didn't feel good at all on a daily basis, that I had bad emotional swings. I came to the conclusion that I was all set to live a much shorter life than I wanted to, and that I would really not feel good and healthy for that much shorter life.
The thing is, I know that my 3 previous attempts to lose weight and get fit had all failed. I was going to need to find something that would work. I started using my free time to do the research and pretty quickly stumbled on to Gary Taubes and Mark Sisson. I bought Taubes' books and read them cover to cover. Eye opening revelations about why I couldn't lose weight and why my diet plans always failed. The introduction to the concept of a primal approach to my life (Mark Sisson and Mark's Daily Apple) was also a revelation. Reminded me of, mostly, how I had lived from a fitness and exercise perspective, in my 20's.
In June I started a change in my nutrition based directly on Gary Taubes work and I added in the idea of walking and running most days of the week from a fitness perspective. By Nov, 2012 here's the changes:
Age 45
Height 5'8"
Weight 195
BP 110/70
Cholesterol 228
LDL 140
HDL 41
Cholesterol/HDL ratio 5.6
Fasting Glucose 107 (and should note that continues to improve)
In other words, I had moved from being obese and my doctor wanting to prescribe cholesterol, BP and diabetic medications to being overweight and my doctor saying that I was one of her few patients to fix these problems. She had planned on having me come in every 6 months, but changed that plan to every year based on these results and no medications prescribed.
Today I can easily run 2 miles in about 16 minutes, have completed Beach Body's Power90 and Insanity and the first half of Focus T25. Am now starting my Break-In workouts for New Rules of Lifting. I am anticipating that when I see my doctor in November, she will take me off her watch list entirely and I will go back to a normal structure for health screening and physicals.
I still have a ways to go to be fit and happy at the level I desire, but I am already in better shape than the typical 45 and over man in the US.
Here's what I did very specifically on the nutrition side of this. And please note that I am not "paleo" .... I pay attention to Gary Taubes, Mark Sisson, Dave Asprey, Lou Shuler and a few others, because I think they are really smart about how nutrition, fitness and exercise work. I am very convinced that wheat, corn, and other grain/starch foods are horrific for humans to consume. The USDA recommended diet is a great one for cattle in an industrial feed lot being fattened for slaughter, awful for us.
- I have eliminated all wheat, corn, rye, barley based food products, including all bread, pancakes, waffles, rolls, bagels, etc. Anything that is made from refined grains, in other words. And I don't substitute "paleo" things, like that paleo bread stuff. I prefer to simply not eat bread.
- I have greatly increased my intake of grassfed beef, salmon, free range chicken eggs, grassfed butter and heavy cream, bacon, olive oil and coconut oil. These are the staples of my diet now, actually. I am fortunate enough to have a wife who loves raising chickens, so I get eggs from a very natural source, completely free range, etc. Technically not organic because we use fertilizer on our lawn. Ooops
- I have made green, leafy veggies the supporting food in my diet. I eat a salad with olive oil and vinegar or a cup of broccoli with melted butter drizzled on it, to go along with the 8 oz of grilled flank steak that I'm having for dinner.
- My snacks are things like pistachios and almonds, beef jerky, that sort of thing.
- I don't deprive myself of things like dark chocolate and red wine. Or cigars, as you can see in my picture. I am firmly convinced that if I take every luxury out of my life, this change to my lifestyle will be a failure.
And finally, if the food is in a box I don't eat it. Nothing that contains sugar (no matter how disguised) or preservatives. Nothing that is labeled low fat.
Edit: I want to add that your husband can't view this as a diet change and be successful. For me, this was a complete lifestyle change. No more sitting on my *kitten* every second I could. No more eating and living an industrial life. No more being glued to the TV after dinner. I could go on and on. But the bottom line is that I changed my whole lifestyle, how I ate, drank, exercised, enjoyed my free time, books I read, people I interact with. I think that your husband will have to do the same.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I have a similar approach in regards to food. It's too bad that I was so angry with my local health care professionals because even though I knew that I should get a baseline done pre lifestyle change, I just couldn't make myself deal with it at the time. However, the proof is also in how I FEEL.0 -
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Thank you Eric, for your detailed response. A question.....If he were to cut back on the processed junk, breads, waffles, sugar, etc... while eating more of the lean meats with healthy oils, veggies, fruits, almonds, cashews, etc..., but not eliminate the junk, do you think he would still see benefits, or would the meats and fats actually hurt him because he never switched to fat burning mode? Do you truly have to get to the point of going into ketosis in order to reap the health benefits?0
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Thank you Eric, for your detailed response. A question.....If he were to cut back on the processed junk, breads, waffles, sugar, etc... while eating more of the lean meats with healthy oils, veggies, fruits, almonds, cashews, etc..., but not eliminate the junk, do you think he would still see benefits, or would the meats and fats actually hurt him because he never switched to fat burning mode? Do you truly have to get to the point of going into ketosis in order to reap the health benefits?
I spent a lot of time reading Mark's Daily Apple and Gary Taubes, neither of whom suggest putting your body into ketosis. If you follow Taubes dietary recommendations to the letter, you would end up keto adapted, I'm fairly sure. But that wasn't his focus. Mark Sisson suggests that fat loss starts occurring when you get your carb intake under 100g/day. This varies from person to person, of course.
I would say that if your husband followed your suggetion of significantly reducing the junk and processed foods, greatly increasing his meat, veggie and healthy fat intake, and tried substituting whole grains such as quinoa for refined grains, it would make a huge difference. And salads don't have to be unsatisfying. The lettuce is really there just for the crunch. Tomatoes give a nice bit of sweet to it. Olive oil, avocado and cheese satisfy and fill the tummy.
Also, it's beginning to be fairly well understood that high blood pressure and cholesterol, type II diabetes and the rest of the metabolic disorders are caused by obesity. So, the question then becomes, what causes obesity? It appears pretty clear that for many of us, obesity is caused by too much sugar, carbs, processed junk, which causes blood sugar and insulin spikes. Your body then shoves glucose into the muscles and fat into the fat cells. Then your body crashes blood sugar a couple hours later and you get really hungry and eat more starchy foods, going through another vicious cycle.
I know, I used to live this eating cycle.
Maybe buy him a copy of Gary Taubes' "Why We Get Fat" and ask him to read it?
Edit: Forgot to mention ... no need to do lean cuts of meat. If his plate has a ribeye steak, salad and green beans on it, he will be much more likely to be satisfied and satiated and not want the pasta, rice or potatoes.
Edit #2: Here's an idea for you. Get rid of all the lowfat crud in your house. Lowfat anything is made palatable by adding sugar to it, usually high fructose corn syrup. If your salad dressing is lowfat, they took the good, healthy olive oil out and put very unhealthy sugar in. If you're gonna eat processed stuff, at least eat the full fat, low sugar stuff. :-D0 -
Edit: Forgot to mention ... no need to do lean cuts of meat. If his plate has a ribeye steak, salad and green beans on it, he will be much more likely to be satisfied and satiated and not want the pasta, rice or potatoes.
Unfortunately, there is no way I can afford the grass fed beef around here. There isn't much of it locally, and where I can't find it, it's very expensive. In that case, the leanest cuts would be best, right? Also, are there any other healthy fats aside of olive oil and coconut oil? He hates coconut, and I know you're not supposed to use olive oil on high heat.0 -
Well, I think that regular beef is a better choice than no beef, regular butter is a better choice than no butter, etc. You could encourage him to enjoy a little bit of butter on his flank steak! And what about eggs for breakfast instead of cereal or cinnamon rolls? Most men really hate the fact that they have had their bacon and eggs taken away by the health industry. Since I enjoy both coconut and olive oil, I hadn't really looked for other choices. Maybe someone else knows?0
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But it is important about the beef and butter being grass fed, right?0
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But it is important about the beef and butter being grass fed, right?
Beef:
Grassfed, hormone free, pastured
Grassfed, hormone free, pastured, corn finished
Organic, fed with grains
Fed with grains
No beef
Butter:
Grassfed, hormone free, pastured
Grassfed, hormone free, pastured, corn finished
Organic, fed with grains
Fed with grains
No butter
Margarine
notice that if you buy the least expensive butter in the supermarket, it's still better than no butter or margarine. I know the really pure Paleo folks will disagree with me on this, but I am a firm believer that some goodness is better than none at all.0 -
But it is important about the beef and butter being grass fed, right?
Yes, it is important for optimal health. However, should one avoid a Paleo lifestyle because they cannot access "perfect" foods? NO.
I don't know where you live, but if you live anywhere other than where I live I find it hard to believe that there are no local farmers with whom you could start visiting. Even where I live, while access to grassfed farm animals is difficult, I can access some wild meat. I do the best I can with what I have. I do put in a lot of effort in researching where I can get better stuff than is available locally. But I make no excuses and I find a way. Not perfect, but close judging by my health improvements.
I am eating conventional butter, because I cannot get grassfed and have yet to find a place that will ship grassfed butter or ghee to me. I do eat conventional meat but I jump through hoops to find other options. For instance, I buy grassfed meat when I am down south and bring it home in my suitcase. I order meat from a grocery store (healthier options than what are available in my town) in the south and pay an arm and a leg to ship it here (but because I eat less, I also spend less).
IMO, you should just make a commitment to do the best you can. You can't force your husband but you can choose what you will or will not do.0 -
I'm not the biggest fan of coconut oil either. If I don't want to cook with olive oil I use bacon fat or butter.0
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I'm not the biggest fan of coconut oil either. If I don't want to cook with olive oil I use bacon fat or butter.
Lots of excuses. Do the best with what you have. Olive oil is fine, but not in huge amounts and not for high heat. It is definitely one of my last choices, especially since I make mayo with it. Bacon fat and butter is great.
I did not like coconut at all as a child and I also was not crazy about coconut oil when I first went Primal a year ago. Strangely, by eating it more, I have grown to love it. There are also different varieties. Some varieties are processed in such a way that the coconut flavour is greatly reduced. I can't vouch for whether it's healthy, but natural saturated fats do withstand processing fairly well generally.0 -
This ^^^^^^0
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by the way, my husband and i live on about $25,000 combined a year and we eat paleo. it can be done! we don't get... well, anything grassfed except for kerrygold butter from costco. i just pray and offer it to the Lord, and He knows we are doing our best. i feel so much better and am eating so much better, i don't worry. my mom always says "Don't let the best be the enemy of the good." we go to trader joe's and costco, and get organic if we can, and don;t worry about the rest. we eat as well as we can, and no one can ask for more than that!0
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Just get started and go from there. Things don't have to be picture perfect ever, but especially in the beginning. If you're in charge of the meals in the house, then just serve up what you eat (since it sounds like you've been eating paleo, yes?) Hopefully your husband is thankful for your support and advice having seen YOU feeling better from changing your lifestyle. It is HIS health in the end, so he will have to take ownership of what he's putting in his body. But if until now you've also been the meal planner and he's been getting grains and sugar, then just change up what you're serving him.
And if he's his own meal planner, then I would say that you should continue to share your good experience and also get him a book or two (Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes is a great recommendation given earlier...easy read and really eye-opening). One month of eating Paleo or Primal will not hurt him compared to eating years and years of grains and processed food getting him to where he is now. If after 30 days he does not see or feel any difference, then it can be back to the drawing board.0 -
Just get started and go from there. Things don't have to be picture perfect ever, but especially in the beginning. If you're in charge of the meals in the house, then just serve up what you eat (since it sounds like you've been eating paleo, yes?) Hopefully your husband is thankful for your support and advice having seen YOU feeling better from changing your lifestyle. It is HIS health in the end, so he will have to take ownership of what he's putting in his body. But if until now you've also been the meal planner and he's been getting grains and sugar, then just change up what you're serving him.
And if he's his own meal planner, then I would say that you should continue to share your good experience and also get him a book or two (Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes is a great recommendation given earlier...easy read and really eye-opening). One month of eating Paleo or Primal will not hurt him compared to eating years and years of grains and processed food getting him to where he is now. If after 30 days he does not see or feel any difference, then it can be back to the drawing board.
The only problem with "Why We Get Fat" is that the eating plan that is referenced in the Appendix promotes artificial sweeteners. I absolutely do NOT agree with including them in a healthy diet. However, "Good Calories, Bad Calories" was an excellent read. However, some people have found it to be a bit "heavy".
The book the I would recommend as a first, must-read is "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas.0 -
Well, there goes that idea. He will never, never, NEVER give up all grains completely. If he were to jump right in at an 80/20ish ratio, would he not benefit at all? I would think just the giving up or at least greatly reducing of the processed junk would be helpful for just about anything. When I started eating mostly Paleo, I wasn't really concerned, because my BP and cholesterol were very good to begin with. I'm just very sugar sensitive, and diabetes runs in my family, so I found that if I save any non-Paleo foods until much later in the day, I am fine. EVERY single website I go on to find best ways to lower cholesterol and BP says to cut out red meats, butter, eggs, etc.... EVERY single one! I'm so afraid to tell him to go against that. Now, it kind of sounds like if he doesn't get himself completely grain free while doing this, he very well may not benefit?
What grains does he like the most? I've found making substitutions works better for converting a reluctant spouse than trying to make them go cold turkey.
I know of very few men who would turn down bacon. Start swapping his breakfast bagel/waffle/pancakes for bacon and eggs. Cook it for him, at least at first, so he doesn't have any excuse.
Spaghetti lover? Grab some spaghetti squash and use it, instead. My "I don't need no rabbit food" husband loves spaghetti squash.
Sandwiches? Again, what man wouldn't want just a slab of meat? Seriously - use the meat as the bun! (I kid you not, there are recipes for woven bacon pizza crusts, taco shells, and bunches of other things; I even saw a pic of a woven bacon beer mug in another thread.) Or, if you don't want the fat from the meat all over your hands, use lettuce.
If you have to, use gluten-free breads and pizza crusts, but try not to rely on them. They're a step in the right direction (it at least gets the gluten out), though, and can help ease the transition as you work to introduce new foods to the household.
In regards to all the hoopla about the fat fearmongering come down to essentially two, very questionable, studies - the 7 Countries Studies (by Ancel Keyes; it's what drove America into the low-fat craze to begin with, and influenced the food pyramid), and the China Study. The problem with these studies, and others like them, is that they're cherry-picked and the information spread from them don't match the evidence in the papers. They also tend to not distinguish different quality levels of meat, so things like hot dogs (which, by definition, barely qualify as meat) are lumped into the same boat as a grass-fed steak.
Keyes' study is particularly dubious, because it gives rise to what has become known as the "Inuit paradox." That is - if saturated fat is so bad for you, why do the Inuit/Eskimo populations, which live almost entirely on animal fat and meat, have almost non-existent heart disease? This is also consistent with the Australian Aboriginal population, who have shown to have improved health when they revert back to their traditional diets (including complete reversal of Type 2 Diabetes). The simple answer - dietary saturated fat does not, in fact, increase one's risk of heart disease.
It's also a matter of the fact that the American Heart Association is on board with the low-fat thing, and so going against them is basically gambling with your life (that whole "you know, Atkins died of a heart attack" joke). You go against what they have to say and in the off-chance it backfires, you get slapped with a giant "I told you so." And heaven forbid you encourage others to do the same. Hell, I found an article talking about how good saturated fat really is, and at the very end, there's a line that basically says "despite all these good things, the AHA still says that you should limit your saturated fat intake." WTF?0 -
But it is important about the beef and butter being grass fed, right?
Yes, it is important for optimal health. However, should one avoid a Paleo lifestyle because they cannot access "perfect" foods? NO.
I don't know where you live, but if you live anywhere other than where I live I find it hard to believe that there are no local farmers with whom you could start visiting. Even where I live, while access to grassfed farm animals is difficult, I can access some wild meat. I do the best I can with what I have. I do put in a lot of effort in researching where I can get better stuff than is available locally. But I make no excuses and I find a way. Not perfect, but close judging by my health improvements.
You know, other than the cold, I kind of envy where you live. How do you not eat more wild game than you do? That would be the staple of my diet if I lived there.0 -
Edit: Forgot to mention ... no need to do lean cuts of meat. If his plate has a ribeye steak, salad and green beans on it, he will be much more likely to be satisfied and satiated and not want the pasta, rice or potatoes.
Unfortunately, there is no way I can afford the grass fed beef around here. There isn't much of it locally, and where I can't find it, it's very expensive. In that case, the leanest cuts would be best, right? Also, are there any other healthy fats aside of olive oil and coconut oil? He hates coconut, and I know you're not supposed to use olive oil on high heat.
Where do you live?
Also, if you really can't do coconut oil (which I actually doubt; my hubby hates coconut, but even he'll cook with it; don't discount it until you try!), use bacon fat, lard, or tallow. They're all going to be good for higher-heat cooking.
Bulletproofexec.com has an awesome illustrated guide for what lands where on the "good-bad" spectrum. He doesn't consider himself completely Paleo, and some of his stuff differs from some of the other experts, but it's good and sound nonetheless - http://www.bulletproofexec.com/the-complete-illustrated-one-page-bulletproof-diet/
EatingRules.com also has a great oils comparison chart. Again, not technically Paleo, but most of the recommendations fall in line with Paleo rules (high Omega-6 is bad, not all saturated fats are created equal, processing screws up the composition of unsaturated fats, etc) - http://www.eatingrules.com/Cooking-Oil-Comparison-Chart_02-22-12.pdf0 -
We are in Northeast PA. Not many people carry the grass fed beef, and I can't find grass fed butter anywhere. Organic, yes, grassfed, no. Our local butcher gets grass fed beef in once in a great while, but it's hit or miss and VERY pricey. At our local Weis, there is a teeny, tiny selection, but I paid 8.99 for one lb of grass fed beef today. The eggs, I always get Eggland's Best, which is hopefully good, and the best bacon I can find are the ones that "claim" to be nitrate free, but I know they've got other not so great stuff in them.0