Do I need incline bench press?

tomcornhole
tomcornhole Posts: 1,084 Member
I tried incline bench for the first time today. Just because I could now that my shoulders are healed. Seems like it is a cross between flat bench and OHP. But it doesn't seem to do either very well. If I am progressing nicely on flat bench and OHP, do I need to add incline bench? Seems redundant and unnecessary.

Second question, I blew out my bench session this morning to the point of energy exhaustion. Still had enough strength left to do tricep work but need to recharge the fuel supply first. Is it okay to do bench in the morning and tricep isolation this afternoon?

Thanks, Tom

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  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    I tried incline bench for the first time today. Just because I could now that my shoulders are healed. Seems like it is a cross between flat bench and OHP. But it doesn't seem to do either very well. If I am progressing nicely on flat bench and OHP, do I need to add incline bench? Seems redundant and unnecessary.

    I don't believe any individual exercise is necessary.
    Second question, I blew out my bench session this morning to the point of energy exhaustion. Still had enough strength left to do tricep work but need to recharge the fuel supply first. Is it okay to do bench in the morning and tricep isolation this afternoon?

    Thanks, Tom

    I'm not really directly answering your question with this reply, but I would instead question what changes you can make with overall nutrition, nutrient timing, or training volume so that you don't have this problem.
  • tomcornhole
    tomcornhole Posts: 1,084 Member
    I'm not really directly answering your question with this reply, but I would instead question what changes you can make with overall nutrition, nutrient timing, or training volume so that you don't have this problem.

    True dat. You know me well.

    I know exactly why I ran out of gas. It's because I am on this low carb diet plan and it is not compatible with high volume lifting. I am getting up the courage to deviate from what I have been strictly following for the past 18 months (and lost 74 lbs on). More of a mental task than a physical one, really. That and I switched from maintenance to cutting and I'm in a deficit right now. I was an idiot and started my cut right before the "1" week of 5/3/1. Failed at my 1 rep squat weight yesterday. Ran out of gas today. I'm carb loading today, so tomorrow's deads should be good to go. We'll see.

    Tom
  • kapoorpk
    kapoorpk Posts: 244 Member
    Theoretically, Chest can be worked up with a flat bench, incline or a decline given how the chest muscle is configured. BUT, practically, it depends on what development you need. At the minimum, the most effective chest development exercises in my research and experience are the flat bench and the pec flys. I hit every major muscle group twice a week and I add the incline to the flat and peck flys. That's because its my assessment that I need it to develop the chest muscle.

    Now, to keep the muscle stimulated I switch between the different exercise apparatus to hit the same muscle group. E.g. use dumbells one time to do the flys and cable cross overs to do hit the same muscle the next time.

    So, the name of the game is acceptable growth and progress based calibration and recalibration of what is needed by muscle group.

    You are right on with the incompatible diet and exercise. Plus, if in total you are still on a calorie deficit, its not going to help with much of any muscle growth.

    With carb back loading you still need a steady quantity of protein all day at somewhat even intervals, smaller amount of carbs with good fats filling in the calorie needs for those meals coupled with high fiber that manages satiety. Pre and post workout meals will just have more carbs, but similar fats and protein as others.

    I still continue to explore, experiment, live, learn and continue to grow. But, sharing what I have found to be valid and practical.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    I'm not really directly answering your question with this reply, but I would instead question what changes you can make with overall nutrition, nutrient timing, or training volume so that you don't have this problem.

    True dat. You know me well.

    I know exactly why I ran out of gas. It's because I am on this low carb diet plan and it is not compatible with high volume lifting. I am getting up the courage to deviate from what I have been strictly following for the past 18 months (and lost 74 lbs on). More of a mental task than a physical one, really. That and I switched from maintenance to cutting and I'm in a deficit right now. I was an idiot and started my cut right before the "1" week of 5/3/1. Failed at my 1 rep squat weight yesterday. Ran out of gas today. I'm carb loading today, so tomorrow's deads should be good to go. We'll see.

    Tom

    I think it's good that you switched to a cut based on previous discussions.

    It's possible that you dropped CHO too low, it's possible that you need to look at different nutrient timing for performance reasons, it's possible that you need to reduce total training volume. Those are just some things that I'd look at first.

    EDIT: It's also possible that you just had a rough day.
  • tomcornhole
    tomcornhole Posts: 1,084 Member
    All of the above.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Just to add to the conversation re splitting your day. It is actually fine to split the day. Occasionally, due to energy or time constraints, I do my main lifts in the morning and my assists in the evening. It is better to do it that way if you are going to get a better workout overall.
  • tomcornhole
    tomcornhole Posts: 1,084 Member
    As an update to this, I did my carb reload today and was all jacked up so I went down to finish my triceps. That went great. Had energy left so I did my deadlifts, too. Awesome. Hit all my numbers on DL and actually did my "1" on 5/3/1 twice for 3 reps each (did it with the trap bar and then the straight bar). I know I have to eat differently to progress on my strength training. Just like it took time to figure out how to lose weight, it will take time to learn how to add muscle. I'm sure that seems simple to folks, but not for me. But I do like how I feel on carbs.

    Tom
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