Also interested in looking into how much water people should be drinking. Marks daily apple have something to say about it...I have yet to read completely through:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/8-glasses-of-water-a-day/#axzz2draSqT5o

Here's my first opinion of this article.

I think this attempts to paint a negative picture of fiber in general without even making specific recommendations, at least I don't recall any after reading this.

Mark also makes quite a few blanket statements about carbohydrates and sugars that are pretty much laughable as he's trying to pin obesity and diabetes on a single macronutrient.

Saying things such as:

But that’s exactly what’s being recommended for “health purposes” to children and adults. It‘s not surprising that so many Americans are suffering from the ravages of diabetes and obesity—a moderately active adult can utilize no more than about 200 grams of carbohydrates per day without encountering a scourge of the inevitable obesity, prediabetes, or diabetes.

The ratio of digestible carbohydrates (sugars) to fiber in vegetables, cereals, breads, beans, and legumes is, on average, similar to fruits. Thus, no matter how hard you try to mix’n’match, you’ll be getting harmed all the same.


^ In my opinion he's being ridiculous and it demonstrates his reductionist view of things.

Implying that fiber recommendations are leading people to obesity and furthermore suggesting that using a supplement is far superior to using whole foods due to carbohydrate intake seems quite silly to me.

Take a look at this guys diary (especially Fiber content) and be amazed. Just don't go walking behind him or you could get hurt. It's true, he has to wear a sign.

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Here's my first opinion of this article.

I think this attempts to paint a negative picture of fiber in general without even making specific recommendations, at least I don't recall any after reading this.

Mark also makes quite a few blanket statements about carbohydrates and sugars that are pretty much laughable as he's trying to pin obesity and diabetes on a single macronutrient.

Saying things such as:

But that’s exactly what’s being recommended for “health purposes” to children and adults. It‘s not surprising that so many Americans are suffering from the ravages of diabetes and obesity—a moderately active adult can utilize no more than about 200 grams of carbohydrates per day without encountering a scourge of the inevitable obesity, prediabetes, or diabetes.

The ratio of digestible carbohydrates (sugars) to fiber in vegetables, cereals, breads, beans, and legumes is, on average, similar to fruits. Thus, no matter how hard you try to mix’n’match, you’ll be getting harmed all the same.


^ In my opinion he's being ridiculous and it demonstrates his reductionist view of things.

Implying that fiber recommendations are leading people to obesity and furthermore suggesting that using a supplement is far superior to using whole foods due to carbohydrate intake seems quite silly to me.

Take a look at this guys diary (especially Fiber content) and be amazed. Just don't go walking behind him or you could get hurt. It's true, he has to wear a sign.

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Perhaps we should refer them to Incessant Farting...

Fixed

The John Harvey Kellog stuff is straight from Michael Pollan's book (among other places, including the south beach diet book). Yet Pollan and Agatstan encourage fiber.

I don't get much from grains, but do get a ton from veg. And my veg have many other things going for them. I'll keep eating them.

I think Pollan is spot on when he talks about the forest and the trees and how our focus on nutrients individually can make us blind to the good stuff in a given food as a whole.

I dunno. All I knows is: I need fiber. :embarassed: :happy:

Sidesteel - I like your posts. I think it's good to question. I just wish your entourage wouldn't follow you here. Unlike you, they do not add value to the discussion. And unfortunately, I'm not sure that we have active mods to remove those folks.

Did I attack anyone (other than sidesteel and his insane fiber content)? If someone read my post and chuckled I will consider that a value add.

My only additional value would be to be weary about the accuracy of what is posted on that site. Mr. Sisson has created a box with the primal blueprint. It may be one that allows people to be successful (heck i lost 80 lbs eating a similar diet, hence why I'm on a low carb forum) but it is a box nonetheless. He has to make sure that all of the diet information fits into that box and he also has to create daily content. From what I have read of that site, liberties are taken to make sure its part of the lifestyle.