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beatpig
beatpig Posts: 97 Member
Ok, so I use a 37lb MTB, with thick beefy tyres (about 45-60psi) that I use on the road - primarily.

I average about 16-18mph.

There must be a point where it is physically impossible to take a brick that that and not go any faster. So what is that limit? Any ideas?

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  • dirtybadgermtb
    dirtybadgermtb Posts: 140 Member
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    There must be a point where it is physically impossible to take a brick that that and not go any faster. So what is that limit? Any ideas?

    I am not quite sure that I understand the question. The top sprint speed or downhill speed on a bike is determined by how fast you can spin your legs in combination with the number of teeth on your big chain ring on your crankset. The big ring typically has much fewer teeth on a mountain bike vs a road bike so your cadence would hit a limit at a lower speed. In that regard, if you could spin say, 160 rpm you might max out around 30 mph (taking a sort of wild guess) on the mountain bike but at the same cadence on a road bike it'd be around 40 mph.

    As for average speed riding a mountain bike on the road, that is going to be determined by your conditioning. Granted there is an upper limit but an upper limit but for a regular guy vs someone like Bradley Wiggins could be huge.
  • beatpig
    beatpig Posts: 97 Member
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    I'll try and explain further - sorry!

    The air displacement at some point on any given object must get to a point where under normal conditions cannot be pushed faster. Yes, going downhill the gravity and momentum enables faster speeds. But the moment you start pedaling normally, normal service is resumed.

    Just because a gearing is theoretical, doesn't mean that it is physically possible?

    At some point, there will be a significant power output required to produce minute increases in speed due to the aerodynamics involved on an MTB.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
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    The tire patch size hitting the road is also a huge factor. The numbers I've seen are that riding your MTB at any given speed takes 50% more power than riding a road bike at the same speed. That number goes up as hills get involved and speed goes up and can hit 100%.

    If you use Strava at all, you can log a ride with your MTB, then make a virtual road bike, and it will calculate the power you "would have" exerted if you did the same ride on that road bike. It's pretty eye-opening - MTBs are one hell of a work out.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,811 Member
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    Off topic but would really recommend swapping to road tyres for road use if you haven't already.....
    I did London-Oxford & London-Hove charity rides on my old steel frame, dual suspension, weighs a ton, MTB a few years back.... Think I would have expired doing them on knobblies.....

    As for aerodynamics - I ride a hybrid so a similar riding position to a MTB and my mate says it's like drafting a truck when he's behind me.
  • dirtybadgermtb
    dirtybadgermtb Posts: 140 Member
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    I see where you are coming from. There is definitely a formula somewhere (inverse square law?) I think, if I recall college math, if you want to go twice as fast you have to produce 4x the amount of energy. This is why my compact car with 120 horse power will go about 120 mph but a car with 400 hp will not go 400 mph, although, it'd be cool if it did. So, relating back to the bike, you have a few factors that will effect max average speed as compared to a road bike. Increased roll resistance from the knobbies and more wind resistance than riding in the drops on a more aero frame. Also, the weight would not be much of a factor on flat roads but would be on hillier terrain.

    It is cool to think about. We need someone with more geek cred than me to do some number crunching with some specifics. Say we have an average dude producing a sustained 200 watts for 30 minutes vs a pro producing a sustained 400 watts, all other factors like body weight being the same.
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
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    But why are your riding a 37lbs mountain bike on the road?
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
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    We need someone with more geek cred than me to do some number crunching with some specifics. S

    https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/20959332-Power-Calculations
  • beatpig
    beatpig Posts: 97 Member
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    But why are your riding a 37lbs mountain bike on the road?

    I regretably, only have two fully functioning bikes.

    One is a 15lb alumiunium TT bike, which I love and adore, but is very expensive and my 37lb beast. In the next few months I hope to put all the other parts of bikes together, and my wife has a new job which should mean I can get a road bike together.

    There is part of my head which says "I'm doing these speeds on a MTB, just wait until I get on a road bike"!
  • KitTheRoadie
    KitTheRoadie Posts: 641 Member
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    There is part of my head which says "I'm doing these speeds on a MTB, just wait until I get on a road bike"!


    Or even your 15lb TT bike, that must be insane!!
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,683 Member
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    There is part of my head which says "I'm doing these speeds on a MTB, just wait until I get on a road bike"!

    Train Hard, Race Easy... :thumbsup:
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
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    There is part of my head which says "I'm doing these speeds on a MTB, just wait until I get on a road bike"!

    QFT! Same here. Training harder than the race is a time honoured path to success!