Paleo...Diet?
TriLifter
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I keep seeing posts in the main forums bashing the Paleo "diet" or people wanting to lose weight and try the paleo "diet."
My question is: How many of you consider this a short-term "diet" to lose weight rather than a long-term "lifestyle" for improved general health? (and yes, I know the term "diet" refers in general to what one eats, but you know what I mean here).
My personal view is this is how I eat, this is how I will always eat, and I'm okay with you eating differently from me.
My question is: How many of you consider this a short-term "diet" to lose weight rather than a long-term "lifestyle" for improved general health? (and yes, I know the term "diet" refers in general to what one eats, but you know what I mean here).
My personal view is this is how I eat, this is how I will always eat, and I'm okay with you eating differently from me.
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People get too touchy with the word 'diet'.0
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Yeah, getting bashed for eating healthy is annoying.
I was eating low carb, non-processed foods and then found it had a name, Primal. Am I eating the "Primal Diet"? To call it that, is kind of weird. But I guess it puts my diet in a box, which makes it simpler to explain, if the people I'm talking to have heard of it. Usually I have to spell it out, that I eat low carb, non-processed, sugar free, healthy foods.
It has nothing to do with weight loss, actually. In fact, I could get fat eating this way if I didn't monitor my caloric intake.
What drew me to labeling myself 'primal' was the lifestyle. Not just eating healthy, but also the mentality of exercising in short bursts, focusing on getting fresh air and sunshine, avoiding chemicals/toxins, eating organic, etc. So yeah, this is a lifestyle for me, not a weight loss program.0 -
The hostile attitude on the main boards is what keeps me out of there. It all strikes me as a whole f' load of dogma and ego.
I always call it a "diet" because, as you say, it's a general reference to what one eats. It's not my problem if people confuse the word for something else. The way people use the word "diet" now, is really just a shortened way of saying "specialized/tailored/prescribed/whatever diet". Like, "My doctor put me on a 'diet'." Well, no, you always had a "diet", your doctor just put you on a specific one different from the one you had before. I don't particularly like the phrase "lifestyle" because I don't really know what it means and seems to be poorly defined. When does something stop being a simple "activity" or "habit" and start being a "style"? I just have things I do. Eating, roughly inline with paleo doctrines, is one of them.
So, having defined terms, I started the diet to lose weight. That is still my primary goal. I will almost certainly continue eating paleo even after (if) I achieve my body-composition goal. As for how others eat? I don't give a damn what they eat (or otherwise ingest) or DO in general, as long as it doesn't involuntarily affect someone else.0 -
The main forums suck. If the majority of people can't grasp the idea that food affects health then it's probably impossible to have any kind of logical discussion. I still torture myself with going there but try to resist going back to see follow up comments.
If one refers to "diet" meaning a temporary eating plan to lose weight, then NO, this is not a diet. I will eat this way forever. No longer being sick feels too darn good to give up. And no longer being obese? Bonus.
Yes, getting bashed for eating a healthy, biologically appropriate diet makes me see red. However, since most people eating SAD are terribly malnourished, I just remind myself that their brains are no longer able to function properly. No point in arguing with them. But it still drives me to insanity when my advice is ridiculed by other MFPers when I am trying to help someone that desperately needs the same information that has saved my life. Calories in/calories out is only a tiny piece of the info; those of us with metabolic disorder (almost everyone) need to know that WHAT we eat matters most.0 -
That is why I don't label it. If one labels it paleo, everyone's panties get twisted. If I state, I feel best eating meats, fruits and veggies and best when I'm not eating sugar or grains. No one thinks twice.0
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That is why I don't label it. If one labels it paleo, everyone's panties get twisted. If I state, I feel best eating meats, fruits and veggies and best when I'm not eating sugar or grains. No one thinks twice.
This. I don't tell people I'm going Primal or Paleo (I'm not either of these really but it's the direction I seem to be headed), because people view it as a temporary thing. I tell people I am lowing my carbs and grains and increasing my proteins, fruits and veggies. Not to mention I am cutting out processed crap for the health and sake of my family.0 -
Honesly I do not see the paleo/primal getting bashed on the main forums more agressively than anything else. Regardless the topic, main forums just generally present herd mentality, louder people steer the mob. Just ingore it. If somebody has an open mind, it will check up the information you give even if it is been ridiculed by loud ignorants .
I personally read about the whole paleo/primal idea right here on MFP main forum a while back. It sound logical and interesting and I started to read more and more about it and slowly changed my lifestyle.
For answering OP question, I do not see this is a weight loss tool. Unfortunately I do not even lose much weight with it right now, but that is irrelevant.
Except the first few years in collage , I ate clean in my whole . I didn't grow up in north america, and where I came from cooking daily from sratch is the norm. Plus all office building have canteens providing home cooked type meal at reasonable price, and nobody eats french fries and junkfood on daily basis. I think I was already in high school when I drank soda the first time in my life. Plus money way tight and candy and cakes was only around at holidays.
For me paleo was not 180 degree change. Primal/ plaeo first only meant no grains, and instead of canola oil, I use butter, ghee or coconut oil for cooking baking. I am still working on the grass fed side, because that is hard to implement.
Cutting back on dairy was the biggest deal for me. Plus lowering the carbs is somewhat challanging, but I may go back to the maintanance level 100-150 g one day.0 -
The main forums suck. If the majority of people can't grasp the idea that food affects health then it's probably impossible to have any kind of logical discussion. I still torture myself with going there but try to resist going back to see follow up comments.
If one refers to "diet" meaning a temporary eating plan to lose weight, then NO, this is not a diet. I will eat this way forever. No longer being sick feels too darn good to give up. And no longer being obese? Bonus.
Yes, getting bashed for eating a healthy, biologically appropriate diet makes me see red. However, since most people eating SAD are terribly malnourished, I just remind myself that their brains are no longer able to function properly. No point in arguing with them. But it still drives me to insanity when my advice is ridiculed by other MFPers when I am trying to help someone that desperately needs the same information that has saved my life. Calories in/calories out is only a tiny piece of the info; those of us with metabolic disorder (almost everyone) need to know that WHAT we eat matters most.
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I consider Paleo / Primal a life style. I only eat real food. I am getting 1/2 a pastured raised hog this month and a quarter grass fed cow. This will make it easier eat real. When I eat processed products and "carbage" I feel like garbage. Bash it all you want. If eating real food is bad, shame on me.0
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That is why I don't label it. If one labels it paleo, everyone's panties get twisted. If I state, I feel best eating meats, fruits and veggies and best when I'm not eating sugar or grains. No one thinks twice.
yep. I call it sugar and starch free.0 -
Honesly I do not see the paleo/primal getting bashed on the main forums more agressively than anything else. Regardless the topic, main forums just generally present herd mentality, louder people steer the mob. Just ingore it. If somebody has an open mind, it will check up the information you give even if it is been ridiculed by loud ignorants .
I personally read about the whole paleo/primal idea right here on MFP main forum a while back. It sound logical and interesting and I started to read more and more about it and slowly changed my lifestyle.
For answering OP question, I do not see this is a weight loss tool. Unfortunately I do not even lose much weight with it right now, but that is irrelevant.
Except the first few years in collage , I ate clean in my whole . I didn't grow up in north america, and where I came from cooking daily from sratch is the norm. Plus all office building have canteens providing home cooked type meal at reasonable price, and nobody eats french fries and junkfood on daily basis. I think I was already in high school when I drank soda the first time in my life. Plus money way tight and candy and cakes was only around at holidays.
For me paleo was not 180 degree change. Primal/ plaeo first only meant no grains, and instead of canola oil, I use butter, ghee or coconut oil for cooking baking. I am still working on the grass fed side, because that is hard to implement.
Cutting back on dairy was the biggest deal for me. Plus lowering the carbs is somewhat challanging, but I may go back to the maintanance level 100-150 g one day.
It's not as bad as the threads that mention "clean eating." It seems that phrase is a magnet for the really bad jerks. However, every now and again, I'll see a thread about it on the main forums solely trying to "debunk" it in one form or another. In fact, I just got recently accused of "following a religion" in one thread. I don't see that so much with other at least semi-reasonable diets (ie - veg*n, and ones bashing Mediterranean diets seem to be non-existent). They seem to be doing better with regard to the ones where the OP is like "I'm following the paleo diet and looking for friends!" as of late. Wouldn't surprise me if the mods have started coming down on them for it.0 -
everyone is on a "diet" really...but no I don't like the term used for paleo, its just how I shall eat forever!! not short term0
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I did start grain free then went primal as a "diet". Took me about a month to realize this is just plain better way to live. Just shy of two years and getting healthier every day.0
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That is why I don't label it. If one labels it paleo, everyone's panties get twisted. If I state, I feel best eating meats, fruits and veggies and best when I'm not eating sugar or grains. No one thinks twice.
Labels are a quick way to illustrate how one eats. That's how I use them. However, I usually do not use a label when I comment in the main forums; however, it is my experience that merely suggesting that WHAT we eat matters incurs much wrath and ridicule from the "it's only calories in/calories out" crowd. The things that ticks me off the most is that I'm usually commenting because the OP desperately needs help and more information instead of "calories in/calories out" may help them, and even save their lives.0 -
That is why I don't label it. If one labels it paleo, everyone's panties get twisted. If I state, I feel best eating meats, fruits and veggies and best when I'm not eating sugar or grains. No one thinks twice.
Labels are a quick way to illustrate how one eats. That's how I use them. However, I usually do not use a label when I comment in the main forums; however, it is my experience that merely suggesting that WHAT we eat matters incurs much wrath and ridicule from the "it's only calories in/calories out" crowd. The things that ticks me off the most is that I'm usually commenting because the OP desperately needs help and more information instead of "calories in/calories out" may help them, and even save their lives.
I tend to PM people and mention this group LOL0 -
My diet involves no grains and a bunch of healthy food. I have a diet so does every animal around. In summary I only discuss this with paleo people unless someone asks about it. If people want to improve their health then I tell them about it. Otherwise I keep my mouth shut. Most people don't agree with this lifestyle for one reason or another and I don't need go argue with someone who just wants to criticize my choices.0
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It's a healthy lifestyle I have come to embrace.0
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I started to eat this way mostly for weight loss, but will keep it as my "diet" for the health benefits! It's crazy how sick you can feel and not even realize it. I love this way of eating!!0
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https://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1119425-paleo-shift
This is an example of things going downhill on the main forums fast...0 -
Should watch this guys video
http://paleodietgroup.com/athletes-view-of-the-paleo-diet/
doesn't consider "paleo" to be a diet, it's just a way of life and that's what it should be considered.0 -
Haha, the main boards are a great example of 'group think' or mob mentality. Utterly predictable repetition of a few key phrases.0
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I definitely view my dietary choices as a lifestyle.
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